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CraigGen
09-11-02, 12:27 PM
http://www.rarenet.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=20

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=dev&aid=663

http://www.gamecube-uk.com/news/news.php?id=256

This is truly a sad day for console gaming if it's true.

Do M$ truly think they can just keep buying their way into everything ?
First Bungie, and they nicked Halo right under the noses of PC and MAC users. Then got the balls to say we are going to get a CONVERSION !?! And in a years time ?

Are the days gone when a console can stand up on it's own merrits and have the owning company *persuade* developers, not buy them ?

From what I've heard and read, Nintendo could lose Starfox Adventures, and Perfect Dark. With those and more becoming XBox exclusives.
I really like the Gamecube, but if this happens then I think it will seriously hurt the cube and Nintendo.
I really wanted to see Rare go multiplatform, NOT Xbox only.

SavagePaladin
09-11-02, 04:14 PM
I don't personally care either way, as I wasn't really interested in picking up a gamecube, and still am on the box
The ps2 is a 'maybe'

StealthHawk
09-11-02, 06:22 PM
how is the "underhanded." since when did Rare make multiplatform games? up till this poiint AFAIK they have all been Nintendo exclusive. i would rather have the games on Xbox with the chance for a PC port.

edit: isn't Star Fox coming out this year? too late to can it if you ask me. and isn't Star Fox a licensed Nintendo character?

CraigGen
09-11-02, 06:54 PM
Well, RARE were talking about going Multiplatform as their contract with Nintendo was ending.

A move I think would be better than M$ buying the company.

And what makes you think that the PC would ever get a port ?

Look at the Halo issue, I believe we are only getting a port because of the fuss we all made, and M$ don't want to look too selfish. And then, it's still 2 years AFTER of the Xbox version.

Also ,Does it matter when Starfox was coming out ?

If M$ *do* get this deal then they can do what they want with Starfox as it's RARE's code, not Nintendo's.
They could even change it slightly to avoid any Nintendo copyrights.
Either way, it's only going to be Xbox owners who will like his news :p

SavagePaladin
09-11-02, 07:09 PM
How do you know MS had anything to do with the PC port of Halo? I distrinctly recall Bungie saying something to the effect of they didn't know what they wanted to do with it.
and I think its in the hands of Gearbox on that same note.

CraigGen
09-11-02, 07:23 PM
MS aren't having any DEVELOPMENT involvement with Halo, they DID however announce a PC version to the world and said that Gearbox had the task of doing the conversion.

So that says to me that they had SOMETHING to do with it, wouldn't you say :rolleyes:

And Bungie, despite what you may think, have no say in it anyway.
And what happened to the original code ?
After all, I saw the thing *running* on a PC a couple of years ago.

Gargr
09-11-02, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by CraigGen
From what I've heard and read, Nintendo could lose Starfox Adventures, and Perfect Dark. With those and more becoming XBox exclusives.

:rolleyes:
Thats like saying Mario is Xbox exclusive

Nintendo has the rights for almost all(i nt all) games made by RARE = no Star Fox, Perfect Dark, Kameo... for XButt

PCarr78
09-11-02, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by CraigGen
This is truly a sad day for console gaming if it's true.

Do M$ truly think they can just keep buying their way into everything ?
First Bungie, and they nicked Halo right under the noses of PC and MAC users. Then got the balls to say we are going to get a CONVERSION !?! And in a years time ?

From what I've heard and read, Nintendo could lose Starfox Adventures, and Perfect Dark.

<rant>

I'll take a cue from savagepaladin and be the least affected.

LIKE I CARE! I'm a pc gamer, not a console ho. ;)

Bungie: Oh no, halo is xbox only? Boo bloody hoo. What a ****ty game. I'm glad it didn't tarnish the PC's reputation of quality games (DeusEx, SS2, etc).

"Then got the balls to say we are going to get a CONVERSION !?! And in a years time ?"

I like it that way, i wish they would stop porting it right now. I dont want to see the day when every idiot will ranting and raving about that "game" ALL OVER AGAIN. Bungie shoulda stuck with Myth.


Nintendo could lose starfox and perfect dark? Oh what a tragedy

:rolleyes:

Starfox, i'll admit was acceptable. Maybe even decent.

But Perfect dark was the most horifically ****ty game ever released on the n64. And on any game platform, for that matter.

Nintendo gamers will be happy that their xbox counterparts will be forced to deal with such stinking turds as PerfectCrap.

</rant>

Really.

Gargr
09-11-02, 08:38 PM
Thats from IGNinsider crap or something

"No more rumors.

September 11, 2002 - In past months, UK development studio Rare has been the subject of a seemingly endless stream of rumors, all of them suggesting the company would break from Nintendo's wings and possibly join with a new publisher. Now we have the full story, anonymously confirmed by numerous credible, high-level insiders. The reports are true. We stake our reputation on it.

Nintendo, formerly a 49% shareholder in Rare, had the chance to purchase the company outright nearly a year ago, but refused, according to high-ranking sources. With Rare software contributions amounting to only 9.5% of total revenues in Nintendo's fiscal 2001 year, and a miniscule 1.5% in fiscal 2002, the publisher weighed the benefits and drawbacks of making additional investments in Rare and decided against it.

Rare went on the market. Publishers bid on the company. Activision and Microsoft were both interested in acquiring Rare, but it was Microsoft who won out and delivered the asking prices for the developer and Nintendo's 49% stake in it. Nintendo sold all of its shares in Rare, according to insiders, and the studio's second-party status was terminated.

The obvious questions then: why all of the secrecy and why haven't Rare, Nintendo or Microsoft made any announcements? The truth is that the details have not been finalized. Insiders allege that Nintendo and Rare are still haggling over licenses, and specifically whether or not Rare will be able to purchase the properties it worked on under the Nintendo brand, including Perfect Dark and other trademarks Nintendo holds. Franchises and characters created and owned by Nintendo, of course, including Donkey Kong, will remain in Nintendo's control. An official announcement, though, is not far off. The latest word is that the news will be made public at Microsoft's X02 Europe event which begins September 24 in Seville, Spain.

Meanwhile, sources indicate that Nintendo plans to utilize some of the money it made in the selling of its Rare shares to entice other development studios to make GameCube software, fund new games, and more. The company's de-emphasized focus on a second-party model and its new partnerships with Namco, Sega, Capcom and others exemplifies its change in development philosophy, and leaves no room for an expensive investment in Rare.

Look for much more on this major news as it develops."

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33635420

StealthHawk
09-11-02, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by CraigGen
Well, RARE were talking about going Multiplatform as their contract with Nintendo was ending.

A move I think would be better than M$ buying the company.

might have happened, might not have. we might never know now. rumors are rumors though. i can count how many times there were rumors of SquareSoft bringing games out on N64, which obviously never happened.

And what makes you think that the PC would ever get a port ?

re-read what i said i would rather have the games on Xbox with the chance for a PC port.there is no wording there that suggests i think there will be pc ports, just the possibility. whereas, if Rare stayed as Nintendo's lapdog, there would be 0 chance.

Also ,Does it matter when Starfox was coming out ?

If M$ *do* get this deal then they can do what they want with Starfox as it's RARE's code, not Nintendo's.
They could even change it slightly to avoid any Nintendo copyrights.
Either way, it's only going to be Xbox owners who will like his news :p

because if the game is almost finished it would have to be completely rewritten for Xbox. this isn't like the acquisition of Bungie where they were already planning to have Halo come out on pc(i believe they were actually saying it would be on Mac first, although i doubt that would have actually happened). anyway, Xbox and pc both use DirectX, so that would have been a much simpler conversion job.

CraigGen
09-12-02, 04:32 AM
Dan,

I'm a PC gamer and have have been for the last 8 years.

But console gaming is great fun, and you are missing out on some great titles.

And if you REALLY didn't care, then why did you bother replying ?

Just to go into one of your rant modes ?

Gargr.

Apparently, Perfect Dark will be an Xbox exclusive and Nintendo didn't own anything regarding Perfect Dark.
Just something I read on rare.net

Gargr
09-12-02, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by CraigGen
Gargr.

Apparently, Perfect Dark will be an Xbox exclusive and Nintendo didn't own anything regarding Perfect Dark.
Just something I read on rare.net

Link?

CraigGen
09-12-02, 10:44 AM
This means that after Star Fox Adventures, there won't be anymore GameCube software from Rare. Whatever happens to Kameo, Perfect Dark 2, and Donkey Kong Racing is beyond us. Speculatively, I think Kameo will simply be released on Xbox. It will undoubtedly see some changes, but it looked on-track to be a great product. As for Perfect Dark 2, well this is something thought to be in development for over two years. It's not something Rare can just throw away or pawn off. It's a major project, and from what we understand Rare has to convince Nintendo to sell it to them. If Nintendo doesn't do that, Rare will probably have to go back and redesign a lot of the art and, probably, dialogue

Finally, everyone wants to know if Rare will be fully owned by Microsoft. These details are yet to be uncovered, but given the scope of the deal, it's safe to assume that Rare will do whatever Microsoft wants it to do. And, I'm sure the company will quickly become the most recognized Xbox development house. It's by no means a small company.

As a GameCube fan, I'm pretty disappointed. It probably means at least four or five AAA titles for GameCube will slip through the cracks to Xbox. But, as an owner of Xbox, I'm completely happy playing Rare's games there, too. Nintendo just needs to be sure to fill the gap and prove that it truly didn't need Rare's support. That's going to be the most difficult thing of all. Nintendo worshiped so much of what Rare did, so there are some very big shoes to fill.

more at www.rarenet.com

Apparently, if you do a patent search on Perfect Dark, it comes out as belonging to Rare, not Nintendo.

Gargr
09-12-02, 11:22 AM
oh god
WTF is this site? some Rare fan site??? I thought your talking about the Rare's site: www.rare.net

I'll just quite other post coz im to lazy to write it myself:

"yea, its basically just saying what I said in a lot of words, people are under the assumption that Rare owns perfectdark..
remember that there is a difference between Rare and Rareware... Rareware is whom MS is buying, Rare Limited and all of its Franchises are all owned by Nintendo..
Nintendos licenses are as follows

Software Development etc.
(a) Nintendo Technology Development Inc.
(a) Nintendo Software Technology Corporation
(a) Rare Acquisition Inc.
(a) Rare Limited
(a) Rare Inc.
(a) Rare Toys & Games, Inc.
(b) A/N Software Inc.
(d) Rareware Limited
(d) Left Field Productions, Inc.
(d) Retro Studios, Inc.
(d) Silicon Knights Inc.
(d) iKuni Inc.
(e) Midway/Nintendo Inc.
Source: [link=http://www.nintendo.com/corp/] Nintendo Financial Statements 5/30/02


(a) Consolidated subsidiaries - This means Nintendo owns 100% of the company. These include NOA, NOE, etc.
(b) Non-consolidated subsidiary with equity method applied
(c) Non-consolidated subsidiary with equity method non-applied
(d) Affiliates with equity method applied
(e) Affiliates with equity method non-applied


Perfect Dark is owned by Rare Limited, not Rareware Limited
this means Perfect Dark is 100% Nintendos property.
Rare will go to MS with nothing but the shirts on thier back
Killer Instinct, PD, Kameo and such, all staying with Nintendo.."

CraigGen
09-12-02, 11:32 AM
Well I certainly don't buy any of that.

M$ wouldn't have paid $350 million for a company without it's most famous licenses.
If it did, they are really are fools.

Gargr
09-12-02, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by CraigGen
M$ wouldn't have paid $350 million for a company without it's most famous licenses.


Its still a rumor, right?
nothing official

CraigGen
09-12-02, 11:50 AM
Yep, it's just a rumour

There are just a bit too many Rumours floating about at the moment, including M$ have bought a cable TV company, a PC Hardware Company, and the planet MARS.

StealthHawk
09-12-02, 08:05 PM
not like Perfect Dark is a franchise anyway. there's ONE game. MS could easily make their own franchise. and the first Rare FPS game on GC is starting yet another "franchise" with Time Splitters(unless that uses characters from PD)

Gargr
09-12-02, 09:10 PM
http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=3396


"According to our sources inside Nintendo, Nintendo has officially sold its share of Rare to Microsoft. Last year, Nintendo had the opportunity to purchase the company, and refused. Rare put up the for sale sign and was looked at by both Microsoft and Activision. Microsoft won the bidding war, and Nintendo cut its ties with Rare. That’s what we do know.

Star Fox Adventures is still due out on September 23rd, but GBA titles like Sabre Wulf, Diddy Kong Pilot, Donkey Kong: Coconut Crackers, and Banjo Kazooie are still an unknown. We are assuming that at least 1 or 2 of these are already finished, and should be released by the end of the year, if not early next year.

This announcement is said to be made official at Microsoft’s X02 Europe event in Seville, Spain on September 24th. Ironically, it's the day after Nintendo ships Rare’s one and only GameCube title.

The following is an offical response from Nintendo of America on the Rare situation:

Although Nintendo doesn't comment on rumors or speculation by the media, we can tell you that Nintendo has made the decision not to request Rare to make any further exclusive games for the Nintendo GameCube. Although we're proud of our joint efforts with Rare over the years and have enjoyed our relationship with them, in fiscal year 2001, Rare accounted for only 9.5% of total Nintendo software revenue worldwide. In fiscal year 2002, that number declined to 1.5%. Therefore, in evaluating our investments in developers, as well as the financial benefits to Nintendo over the years, we've decided it's in Nintendo's best interests to focus on diversifying our portfolio of developers and projects.

Star Fox Adventures, which was jointly developed by Rare and Nintendo, will launch as scheduled on September 23rd and will remain exclusive to the Nintendo GameCube. Nintendo's other great franchise characters such as Donkey Kong also will remain exclusive to Nintendo.

We have no additional details to share on this issue at this time. Be sure to check out our official website (www.nintendo.com) for the latest information as it becomes available. "

StealthHawk
09-12-02, 11:42 PM
the only way Microsoft can make money off of consoles is to sell games for competitor's platforms ;)