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mojoman0
02-29-12, 11:33 PM
a lot of this is definitely geared towards being touch based. windows key definitely helps for keyboard use. a little wonky so far, ie keeps freezing up on me.

actually using it on my laptop and every time i move the mouse with the trackpad in the metro interface, the screen turns solid blue for about 3 seconds, then returns. then goes blank again every time i move the mouse..wtf

PeterJensen
03-01-12, 03:06 AM
a lot of this is definitely geared towards being touch based. windows key definitely helps for keyboard use. a little wonky so far, ie keeps freezing up on me.

actually using it on my laptop and every time i move the mouse with the trackpad in the metro interface, the screen turns solid blue for about 3 seconds, then returns. then goes blank again every time i move the mouse..wtf

Same issue here on the system in sig :) I reinstallede Windows 7 this morning. I really dont like Windows 8 - I will give it another try when they give me my real start menu back....I want to be able to turn that metro **** off if i dont have a touch screen.

red777star
03-01-12, 10:06 AM
Windows 8 is going to be the biggest flop in IT Industry ever recorded. I think this will beat Windows Vista by mile.

Maverick123w
03-01-12, 11:09 AM
Windows 8 is going to be the biggest flop in IT Industry ever recorded. I think this will beat Windows Vista by mile.

You gotta think about this in terms of tablets and laptops. Not our dinosaur desktops.

Toss3
03-01-12, 11:17 AM
Windows 8 is going to be the biggest flop in IT Industry ever recorded. I think this will beat Windows Vista by mile.

No way. Windows 8 is pretty damn good; it's both faster and takes up less resources than Windows 7, which is very different from the transition from XP to Vista.

Redeemed
03-01-12, 12:40 PM
No way. Windows 8 is pretty damn good; it's both faster and takes up less resources than Windows 7, which is very different from the transition from XP to Vista.

Is it not cumbersum on the desktop though? Is Metro easier to navigate than the start menu and a traditional desktop with a keyboard and mouse?

I understand how it's going to be great for anything with a touch screen- but how about laptops and desktops where you still have a keyboard and mouse (or touchpad)? How is it better than 7 for users of such machines?

You keep defending it without giving any real examples.

Drolfrawd
03-01-12, 01:00 PM
This the worst pile of poo ever. I was astonished how pathetic this is!
Linux you are the new king.

Microsoft have retired.

ViN86
03-01-12, 02:04 PM
Honestly, all they have to do is give you the option to disable Metro. That's my main complaint.

ATOJAR
03-01-12, 02:57 PM
Well upon reading what you lot have said i think im gonna give W8 a miss ... Well until i hear more positive feedback.

Yaboze
03-01-12, 03:22 PM
I would say it's great for touch based Windows tablets, probably ok for laptops with multi-touch trackpads (like the Macbook) but horrible for the standard desktop with mouse/keyboard. It was very clumsy trying to navigate non-standard apps and settings (control panel?) using Metro.

I'd have to make a shortcut on the desktop for any aspect of the OS I want to run. That's how cumbersome Metro is. Ridiculous.

ViN86
03-01-12, 03:49 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Ur6jX.jpg

red777star
03-01-12, 04:26 PM
You gotta think about this in terms of tablets and laptops. Not our dinosaur desktops.

It wont work on Laptops, even worse. It will work with Tablets but it wont be able to compete iPad especially because ARM version wont come with remote management features.
As I said this will be Epic failure. Luckily there is nothing that Windows 8 offers so people have to upgrade from Windows 7 therefore Windows 7 will stay around for a long time.
The problem is that PC does not need Metro in order to communicate with end user. We already have desktop itself which works great. Phone and Tablets need Metro because that is and should be only way to communicate with End User. And for same reason bringing Desktop there is stupid. Windows 8 will never be accepted and will never work for Corporate World. Professional people wont use it cause of Metro being very intrusive and stupid and average Joe wont find it easy to work with. New UI is so ridicilous that people end up putting shortcut for shutdown script on their desktops. Microsoft went against all UI principles with this one and they are going to pay big ass price for it. I can't help but to laugh at this point.

red777star
03-01-12, 04:28 PM
No way. Windows 8 is pretty damn good; it's both faster and takes up less resources than Windows 7, which is very different from the transition from XP to Vista.

You sound like Windows 7 is slow. Windows 8 is not any faster than Windows 7.

red777star
03-01-12, 04:28 PM
Honestly, all they have to do is give you the option to disable Metro. That's my main complaint.

I agree

ViN86
03-01-12, 04:30 PM
It wont work on Laptops, even worse. It will work with Tablets but it wont be able to compete iPad especially because ARM version wont come with remote management features.
As I said this will be Epic failure. Luckily there is nothing that Windows 8 offers so people have to upgrade from Windows 7 therefore Windows 7 will stay around for a long time.

Umm, yea it will be successful on tablets, because of Microsoft Office, and not that ****ty compatibility that Android and iOS do. We're talking real, fully functional Office.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120229-718320.html

Dubbed "build 15" or Office 15, a beta version of the software will be released this summer and "be the biggest release of Office we've ever done," he said. "It will be a simultaneous release of both our desktop software and our servers and services as well."

To work on tablets, Office had to be rewritten to work on ARM processors designed by ARM Holdings PLC (ARM.LN, ARMH), which create the low-power, touch-screen features common on tablets. In addition, the new version of Office will feature the Metro interface that first appeared on Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 operating system.

"It's really a no-compromise device," DelBene said of Office on the tablet. "Think about having full Office at your fingertips, having it tailored for a touch user experience, having it be able to work on the go." And when users dock the device, it has a keyboard and mouse for "cranking out spreadsheets and cranking out documents," he said.

Next, Office would potentially include note taking on a new Microsoft program called OneNote that turns writing on a touchscreen into typewritten text, DelBene said.

He also said Microsoft engineers were looking at incorporating Skype into Office and several other products. Microsoft Lync already provides secure voice and video communication within the enterprise. Skype may be a channel to extend communication with consumers.

"Lots of our consumer properties could get lit up, if you will, through a Skype experience," he said.

No other operating system can compete with that. Businesses will start replacing laptops with Windows 8 tablets with docking stations.

red777star
03-01-12, 04:37 PM
Umm, yea it will be successful on tablets, because of Microsoft Office, and not that ****ty compatibility that Android and iOS do. We're talking real, fully functional Office.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120229-718320.html



No other operating system can compete with that. Businesses will start replacing laptops with Windows 8 tablets with docking stations.

You type 10 pages Word document on tablet and i will use PC Desktop with keyboard and mouse on Windows 7 and tell me how that works for you. Businesses wont be going to Windows 8 at all because Windows 8 offers nothing worth upgrading. They will install new office on Windows 7 and have happy employees with normal interface. That is reality and MS seems living in a dream world. Tablet has no enough power to satisfy my professional needs.

ViN86
03-01-12, 04:41 PM
It wont work on Laptops, even worse. It will work with Tablets but it wont be able to compete iPad especially because ARM version wont come with remote management features.

Source? You can use RDP on Android/iOS.

Windows 8 will never be accepted and will never work for Corporate World. Professional people wont use it cause of Metro being very intrusive and stupid and average Joe wont find it easy to work with. New UI is so ridicilous that people end up putting shortcut for shutdown script on their desktops. Microsoft went against all UI principles with this one and they are going to pay big ass price for it. I can't help but to laugh at this point.

Well, you're applying desktop ideas to a more server/tablet driven environment. Metro has great potential for servers. Widgets to control settings and instances. That's what you need. A desktop is not suited for a server environment. Widgets and command lines are.

As for the corporate world, there has already been a shift towards tablets away from more expensive laptops. With office and other features coming to tablets, this trend will continue.

ViN86
03-01-12, 04:42 PM
You type 10 pages Word document on tablet and i will use PC Desktop with keyboard and mouse on Windows 7 and tell me how that works for you. Businesses wont be going to Windows 8 at all because Windows 8 offers nothing worth upgrading. They will install new office on Windows 7 and have happy employees with normal interface. That is reality and MS seems living in a dream world. Tablet has no enough power to satisfy my professional needs.

Dock uses a keyboard and mouse, so there goes that argument.

Companies aren't moving to Windows 7, most of them still use XP for compatibility. There's no incentive to move to 7. However, tablets are an incentive, and if they come with Windows 8, and it's nicely connected to their Windows servers, then you will see companies make the switch.

And not enough power? Right a dual core 1GHz cpu isn't enough to type a document. :rolleyes:

red777star
03-01-12, 04:47 PM
Dock uses a keyboard and mouse, so there goes that argument.

Companies aren't moving to Windows 7, most of them still use XP for compatibility. There's no incentive to move to 7. However, tablets are an incentive, and if they come with Windows 8, and it's nicely connected to their Windows servers, then you will see companies make the switch.

Maybe for certain Businesses but it is more than just Office. I am a Computer Programmer and for me Tablet is useless junk. Tablets will have limited usage by Admins and that's about it. Again Tablets will never be able to pack enough hardware power as Desktop can therefore it will always has limitations which are for the most part critical. When you look at Apple iPad2, it is pretty useless. It comes down to basic functionality so you don't have to get up from your chair in living room while watching TV. I believe Windows 8 will boost Windows 7 sale and i don't think MS will ever take Tablet and Mobile Market Share from iOS and Android. Again i have nothing against Microsoft attempt to bring Metro and other things to Tablets and Mobile, but please leave Desktop the **** alone :) I am not sure where that mobile or phone mentality is coming from trying to apply logic to Desktop and literally destroy the platform. Nothing like stupid Apple user which comes to me with Tablet Junk showing some fancy games and then i show him Crysis and tell him, run that bitch.

ViN86
03-01-12, 04:50 PM
Maybe for certain Businesses but it is more than just Office. I am a computer programmer and for me Tablet is useless junk. Tablets will have limited usage by Admins and that's about it. Again Tablet will never be able to pack enough hardware power as Desktop can therefore it will always has limitations which are for the most part critical. When you look at Apple iPad2, it is pretty useless. It comes down to basic functionality so you don't have to get up from your chair in living room while watching TV. I believe Windows 8 will boost Windows 7 sale and i don't think MS will ever take Tablet and Mobile Market Share from iOS and Android.
Well no **** for people who have to compile. But the majority of computer users in the corporate environment are not programmers. They check email, browse the internet, write Word documents, make Spreadsheets, and make Powerpoint presentations.

You're applying your specific needs to an entire industry... You are not the majority.

Drolfrawd
03-01-12, 05:00 PM
I think you all should take a look at Libre Office either with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or LInux Mint.

I hope this is the future, Would only take a handful of major developers to start porting to Linux and the trickle would turn into an avalanche.

ViN86
03-01-12, 05:56 PM
I think you all should take a look at Libre Office either with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or LInux Mint.

I hope this is the future, Would only take a handful of major developers to start porting to Linux and the trickle would turn into an avalanche.

In my experience with open source counterparts, there is no substitute for Microsoft Office. Other apps typically mess up the file format, have slower features, or not as many.

red777star
03-01-12, 05:56 PM
Well no **** for people who have to compile. But the majority of computer users in the corporate environment are not programmers. They check email, browse the internet, write Word documents, make Spreadsheets, and make Powerpoint presentations.

You're applying your specific needs to an entire industry... You are not the majority.

Afterall no one is forced to do any upgrade. Windows 7 will serve fine for the next 5 years. In mean time i guess i don't care about direction MS took unless they change their mind last minute and give users ability to disable Metro. Windows 8 Server looks better to me cause it comes with minimum Metro interface. I am looking for Windows 7 SP2.

Redeemed
03-01-12, 06:00 PM
In my experience with open source counterparts, there is no substitute for Microsoft Office. Other apps typically mess up the file format, have slower features, or not as many.

I tried quoting you but nothing showed up, tried several times. Finally refreshed the page and saw you ninjy-edited your post. :p

I'd imagine MS has far better technical support for business than OpenOffice or LibreOffice. Another plus for them.

As to 8, as it stands I've no intention of upgrading. Granted it hasn't gone retail yet so things could change. If I can disable Metro altogether and just use the traditional start menu + taskbar and desktop I'll consider it. I know MS has made improvements to the OS's backend, making it use less resources and in general just more efficient. I'd love to take advantage of that but not if I'm force to use Metro or a clumbsy KB+M GUI. Windows 7 GUI is great, so even if that's what I'd be using, just with the improved backend and efficiency of 8 I'd be happy.

I'm not ashamed to admit that it doesn't take a whole lot to impress me. :p :lol: Just don't want anything to do with Metro.

All that being said, I'm still certain that Metro will be optional. Maybe a little more forced on the user in the "Home Premium" version, but in the "Professional" and "Ultimate" versions of Windows 8 I'm certain that Metro will be completely optional and not forced on you. MS wants to sell this across the board. They don't want to corner themselves into the smart phone and tablet markets. They want developers to adopt 8, they want businesses to have 8 running on their workstations, and even though it's far more of niche market they want power users to run 8. Metro will never work in those usage scenerios so I'm certain for the "higher end" versions of 8 (Pro and Ultimate) we'll have the option to fully disable Metro if we like.

ATOJAR
03-01-12, 06:34 PM
How would i boot into safe mode with VirtualBox? Im trying to enable Enable 3D acceleration but this can only be enabled in safe mode! ... Pressing F8 does nothing it seems!