The OGL Bug Flame Thread.

[walkndude]

Why is it so hard to understand that it ticks people off that such a major bug goes unfixed and to have someone involed in driver development shrug it off as seemingly unimportant for the fact that only 16 people submitted a bug report, and then act annoyed about it to boot.

Better yet why ist it so hard to leave someone to their opinion without trying to twist it into something it isnt. I know chris can take care of himself but its hard to sit here and watch crap like this go on.

Take it or leave it or just shut the **** up. Everything has to be a point counterpoint debate over why someones opinion is "wrong" and then the ugliness creeps in (nice "retard" comment hellbinder -my nephew has downes and when I saw your comment it was the straw that broke the camels back -you should be outright banned from these boards anyways you and dig just drag them down)

effin same pathetic crap as usual around here.

[Sazar]

Originally posted by walkndude
Why is it so hard to understand that it ticks people off that such a major bug goes unfixed and to have someone involed in driver development shrug it off as seemingly unimportant for the fact that only 16 people submitted a bug report, and then act annoyed about it to boot.

Better yet why ist it so hard to leave someone to their opinion without trying to twist it into something it isnt. I know chris can take care of himself but its hard to sit here and watch crap like this go on.

Take it or leave it or just shut the **** up. Everything has to be a point counterpoint debate over why someones opinion is "wrong" and then the ugliness creeps in (nice "retard" comment hellbinder -my nephew has downes and when I saw your comment it was the straw that broke the camels back -you should be outright banned from these boards anyways you and dig just drag them down)

effin same pathetic crap as usual around here.

chris himself has admitted this bug does not affect him therefore it is hard to see why it is that big deal for him..

also... people in a business work on a schedule... you try and fit things into that schedule to ensure your product is completed and ready to be released on a particular date or within a timeframe... therefore you prioritize those things which are known to affect the most people and go from there...

btw... this is a discussion board... so we are discussing :)

if you don't like the discussion... you have the option of not reading or posting concerning the particular topic you have a problem with... :)

[Sazar]

Originally posted by ChrisRay
I wouldnt call it drastic. It's been several issues over the course of time. And Continual disapointment. Expecially on the software front. And Dealings with a specific individual whom works for ATI. Whom I dont have to name.

In Regards to settling with Nvidia. You seem to be under the assumption I'll "settle" for anything. This is not the case. I currently dont need to spend anymore money on my computer. We'll see how things look in a year when it's time to upgrade. I have a feeling there will be other options than Nvidia and ATI at the time.

And thats assuming Nvidia is in bad shape. If a product suits my needs. Then I am satisfied with it. So far, The radeon 9500 Pro. Has not suited my needs. And this entirely on the software front. And Every time I have brought it inadequacy what my needs of the current software. I met with blatant disrespect.

Paticularly from said software producer.

would you care to list the problems you have with ati software @ the moment ?

I am just curious since I know you are all for digital vibrance.. but am not aware of the other thing's (plural.. is why I am interested)

[walkndude]

I swear I just give the **** up.

[incurable]

Originally posted by CATALYST maker
CATALYST maker
ATI Guru

Registered: Oct 2002
Location: ATI Canada
Posts: 783
update on this bug
This bug is understood and fixed in an internal build. It was however too late to hit the 3.7 schedule and we did not want to delay 3.7 since it fixed so many other things.

Furthermore I hate to say it but the amount of feedback we have had in regards to that bug is suprisingly low (less than 10), so it was not considered a very high priority.
Originally posted by ChrisRay
I have a problem with Catalyst Maker Pointing fingers at the community for not submitting enough user feedback. When this has already been fixed. And Blaming it on the community not sending in enough feedback.
Ok, I just don't get where you find the finger pointing in the above quote, which you linked and said you were referring to. Personally I think that prioritizing your work on fixes by the amount of user feedback you receive on the bugs seems like the sensible thing to do.

Also, it seems like you're saying that ATi has had a fix for quite a while and only sat on it waiting for user feedback #xyz on the issue to be received before releasing it. I don't think this is the case.

Originally posted by ChrisRay
The Fact, That they were aware of the bug, And documented it. And fixed it. Makes the user feedback irrelevent. Catalyst Maker. In an analogy I represented above. Has tried to take the spotlight off himself.
User feedback on this issue is irrelevant _now_, because it has been fixed and the fix will be in the next release. However, before even starting work on an issue, because there're limited ressources on the driver team, you need to weigh a bug's severeness and the amount of people affected by it, and one way to do that is through the amount of user feedback you receive. BTW, I just don't see where CM tried to "take the spotlight off himself" in the comments you referenced above.

Originally posted by ChrisRay
Against said representive and certain quality of software, and updates that become available to paying customers.

And Yes. I am a hard to please individual. But those who try to please me. Earn my cash alot quicker than those who peddle me off as unimportant.
Could you elaborate on what problems you had with ATi, their customer relations and/or CM? You sure seem rather bitter. (just being curious)

cu

incurable

PS: Dude, what's up with all the full stops in your posts? Ever heard of a thing called 'comma' (looks like this: ,) before? (there you go, user feedback from a single person, when will YOU fix the issue? ;))

[Bopple]

Sorry for letting it slip but honestly you need to let us know what bugs are important to you. Follow the link in my sig and keep letting us know what we need to fix in what order.
They priotize based on user feedback and their own decision(considering which is more important).
Their priority list might be wrong, but they are not running away with it.
If their list is wrong, you can tell them to change it.
I don't see anything wrong with it.

CR, with all due respect, I'd recommend be cool and consider if you're not overreacting.

[Sotos]

Nice :(

Because of you all and your <<Immature positions>> and after what you had said about Catalyst Maker he probably will never post again or think twice of posting in here....BRAVOOOO!! :mad:

NICE you all deserve a ..... :mad: :( :(


If you do not like YOUR ATI CARDS and the Catalysts go buy then a nvidia card with DETS with digital vibrance and your super dupper wanted features :rolleyes: but stop creating a mess in here... :mad:

[Deathlike2]

Technically MS follows the same guidelines CATALYST MAKER is following.. and it makes sense...

If a problem is pretty problematic.. and is reported to MS enough.. they'll get right on it... if little or nothing is being reported... little or nothing will be done...

Information is critical to figuring out and solving the problem..

A security bug in Word weighs more than say a Word bug that messes a Word document somehow...

ATI has similar goals...

In many reviews (I don't plan on quoting them, there's just too many out there to quote), they have not cared at something to counter NVidia's digital vibrance... it's been consistant through all the older products (you don't hear people complaining about ATI's image quality in general right?)

NVidia added Digital Vibrance for two reasons...

1) To improve their IQ vs ATI

2) To promote something that has been in a lot of prior products (like Rage3D Tweaker, 3dfx's control panel... doesn't ATI have something similar? it isn't heavily promoted - glofied color controls isn't much to talk about really)

Maybe it's time to reanalyze things... complaining about something and placing blame on the wrong parties (w/o considering how the other side deals with things) is pretty much being ignorant of the issues..

People demanded for their triple buffering option.. they got it, plain and simple...

You may as well demand for features like Super Sampling (though I believe CATALYST MAKER isn't willing to reimplement that, that doesn't mean he won't...)

Consumer demand is rather vital to getting a both sides to benefit from the deal (consumer getting advertised and improved product, developer gets paid back in the long term because consumer will continue to buy their products)

[Sotos]

Originally posted by Deathlike2
Technically MS follows the same guidelines CATALYST MAKER is following.. and it makes sense...

If a problem is pretty problematic.. and is reported to MS enough.. they'll get right on it... if little or nothing is being reported... little or nothing will be done...

Information is critical to figuring out and solving the problem..

A security bug in Word weighs more than say a Word bug that messes a Word document somehow...

ATI has similar goals...

In many reviews (I don't plan on quoting them, there's just too many out there to quote), they have not cared at something to counter NVidia's digital vibrance... it's been consistant through all the older products (you don't hear people complaining about ATI's image quality in general right?)

NVidia added Digital Vibrance for two reasons...

1) To improve their IQ vs ATI

2) To promote something that has been in a lot of prior products (like Rage3D Tweaker, 3dfx's control panel... doesn't ATI have something similar? it isn't heavily promoted - glofied color controls isn't much to talk about really)

Maybe it's time to reanalyze things... complaining about something and placing blame on the wrong parties (w/o considering how the other side deals with things) is pretty much being ignorant of the issues..

People demanded for their triple buffering option.. they got it, plain and simple...

You may as well demand for features like Super Sampling (though I believe CATALYST MAKER isn't willing to reimplement that, that doesn't mean he won't...)

Consumer demand is rather vital to getting a both sides to benefit from the deal (consumer getting advertised and improved product, developer gets paid back in the long term because consumer will continue to buy their products)

The problem is people are always complaining and not for bugs which maybe logical

They demand Tripple buffering
THEY GOT IT
They now making a mess about Digital Vibrance
or blaming CM for certain things while the Other SIDE (ATI known Competitor) is not better at all as you say especially in their Support which is tottaly faceless and they do not care for General Feedback like CM does
and they are determined to use even CHEATS or any other <<FALSE-SMART tactics>> to reach their Goal

People JUST WANT AND WANT WANT ....
And then they start blaming ATI or CM

The drivers does not have Digital Vibrance they do not have that or these

ATI is not doing that :rolleyes:

ATI is not Doing these :rolleyes:

ATI is ****ing our wifes or killed our children
You get the point..
They are never happy with what they got

If ppl are unhappy with ATI and their Drivers and their support it's easy...
DO not buy ATI go buy from Your FLAWLESS NVIDIA :rolleyes: ...There is no reason of creating a mess and then Complaining or accusing Catalyst maker for certain things which are not true...

Anyway these is getting out of THREAD Subject which is about Catalysts 3.7.. complaints and demands about ATI and CM can be posted somewhere else i think

ATI is not NVIDIA can you get these into your HEADS???

[druga runda]

I can only confirm that Wolf ET works in 16 bit color and no faster for me than 3.6 ... so no changes here ;) that is on Rad 9800 non pro..

[redvamp128]

Unistalled Driver/control panel Installed Catylist 3.7 drivers and Control Panel-
Under the catylist 3.6 everthing in the MMC 8.5 worked fine- Built By ATI 9000 AGP 64mb
Went to goto watch DVD- Locked up-(scrambled video)-
Rebooted turned Theatre mode off (which took out the scrambled video startup) Everthing seemed normal...but then It locked up.
Giving Me and ACPI error--This was at the exact moment of each lockup.
Have not had this error prior.
System Mother board is a TYAN S2380- Have the latest bios- Latest Via Hyperion 4.49p2 ...The latest updates from microsoft other than the Advanced Networking Pack..
Booted into a second install of xp-(where it has the catylist 3.6) same setup other than the video drivers.
THE DVD video played fine- even played it in the background.

Even tried with the 3.7 to reinstall the MMC 8.5 same effect. Each time the error it caused was an ACPI is trying to write to a protected memory area.\

AMLI: ACI BIOS is attempting to read from an IO port Address (0xcfc), Which lies in the 0xcf8- 0xcff protected address range. This could lead to system instability. Please contact your system vendor for technical assistance.

I have not had this error prior to installing the catylist 3.7.

The other windows xp that is installed. Does not have this error under the 3.6 catylist drivers.

I also have windows 2003 Ent installed.
This error does not occur in that OS.
These installs are all on the same computer but different partitions.

The two xp installs are identical.


The only difference is the one that I am having that issue with upon which the only difference is the Catylist 3.7.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by walkndude
...you should be outright banned from these boards anyways you and dig just drag them down)

effin same pathetic crap as usual around here.

Originally posted by walkndude
I swear I just give the **** up.
Never give up, never surrender. If you think you have a point make it, but please don't get indignant if'n everyone disagrees with you....there is the possibility that you're wrong y'know. ;)

[Clay]

I think we've run the ChrisRay diversion into the ground so let's all try to stay on the topic of this thread now.

[ChrisRay]

Well, I am not priviledged to the interaction between you and Terry and frankly it is none of my business. However, you have gone out of your way in numerous posts in this thread as well as among others spreading the story of how much you dislike ATI and the software that is being produced for their hardware. Again, you are entitled to your opinion.

The only thing that bothers me in reading all of these negative comments is how you are going out of your way to point the finger at one person. You dislike Terry. Fine. Why do you need numerous posts to say the same exact thing over and over? In this reply alone you repeat yourself often. When you publicize comments such as these, there is an inherent risk involved that some day you may have to eat your words or go back on feelings you have expressed. I just find that such comments are really unnecessary personal attacks. You are looking at this situation with the glass-half-empty mentality. IOW, what is WRONG with this picture instead of what is RIGHT. Terry and ATI are doing a helluva lot more RIGHT than WRONG. I prefer the glass-half-full attitude. Nobody is perfect...not Terry, ATI, you or myself. Think about that the next time you choose to openly criticize someone when you very likely have misread that person's intentions in the first place


I feel it is only fair to defend my position. Because. It seems to be the the non popular one. I have stated numerous times. That in my experience. Terry has pointed towards the users with straw man arguments. Which I pointed out Here.


Another example is the Digital Vibrance thread along time ago. Which has, in effect, Become a snowball with me and this man.

During the request for Digital Vibrance. he proclaimed That Digital Vibrance was already available in the Catalyst Drivers. This. In effect was proven in wrong. Because he has led the community to believe that it was in fact available. When it was proven that it cannot be replicated at all in ATI's drivers.

Then with a straw man's argument demanded I tell him exactly what Digital Vibrance did. Because if I didnt know. It must not be important. This is the that Digital Vibrance thread I linked too in the past. Which Once Again. Was him removing the spotlight off himself. And Pointing at the community.

He threw a tantrum because I pointed other communities to the thread to list feedback there. Saying I mis quoted him.


Another Issue. Framebuffer readback. When a problem was presented by Pete for the Graphic PSX plugin. Instead of offering a real answer to the guy. They through a rhetoric "We reccomend people dont do this when rendering, Throwing off the problem as unimportant."


In Requests for Super Sampling. It was again peddled off as unimportant because the feature would not represent in considerable quality gain. What I find amusing about this is how they say the control panel is meant for legacy support. Yet ATI's AA engine doesnt work in several legacy games. And they refuse to implement a feature that would help in there legacy games.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I can tell you that I feel just the opposite. Terry and the Catalyst Driver team are one of the big reasons that I am using ATI now. The 9800 Pro is a great product, but to see the effort they are expending to improve their product is certainly a notch or 10 above what many companies are doing after the sale...


I'm not quite sure what you are referring too. if you're referring to Nvidias software team. I'm not going to offer any kind of argument towards this. This is not a pro nvidia thread. Nor is it me condoning or condemming anything Nvidia has done.

I am not sure how many times you intend to repeat yourself, but you simply misread the post and with your admitted dislike of him, it is easy to see where you are coming from.


I believe proper reiteration is neccasarry when. You are being attacked for being "retarded". And During my reiterating. I also provided more points which provide to my dis satisfaction.

You show me a video card company TODAY who is doing more than ATI to interact with their customers and find solutions to their issues? "With all due respect", I disagree with you 100%.


That interaction means absolutely nothing. If they are going to complain about such little things about feedback.

Had ATI stated, "We didnt release it. Because it was not ready to be released"

Would have been loads better than "We didnt release. And you guys shoulda filled out more feedback"

Where do you get that Terry is annoyed with the community? You completely misread his "minor annoyance" quote. Terry nor ATI are blaming anyone in the community for the bug. What they are doing is trying to make a case for users to utilize the existing lines of communication available to them besides Rage3D driver forums. This way, the data goes straight to the driver team and does not have to be disseminated from the HUNDREDS of driver threads at Rage3D. A reasonable request IMHO

Well. You have read the two quotes. One on this site and the one on rage3d. And if you search the openGL thread. he actually requested it be closed. Because. He was tired of people posting negative comments towards the Catalyst team. I believe that is enough justification for me to believe "CM" is annoyed at the community. With prior incidents with him. I believe I am very justified in my opinion towards this man.

Is that what Terry said? It appears to me that you are looking for any angle you can to convince everyone that Terry is in the wrong here. You have admitted that you don't like the guy and you don't care for the way he runs his business. So you think your comments can be regarded as objective?


If you read a post above. I said. You can either take my opinion to heart or with a grain of salt. I never have claimed that my opinion was the absolute dictation for the way Catalyst Maker has handled himself. But I do believe and stand by my own assertions on this matter.


Terry is not BLAMING the community. If you cared to read the threads, the users were on the offensive asking why this issue was not resolved. Terry admitted to being frustrated at the lack of user feedback reports on this which is one of the few ways they have to generate feedback. I do believe that Terry's reference to "minor annoyance" was due to the fact that so few people actually reported the bug in the proper channels, yet the bug appears to be widespread. These guys cannot be everywhere all the time. Things slip through the cracks sometime. At least give the guy credit for addressing the issue with the customers and acknowledging the issue and admitting that it was something they wish they had not missed in 3.7.



Actually I read the Entire Thread that got closed. Which still. Leads me to the same opinion as before. You can choose to reread if you like. But my assertion stands. The Posts that led me to the conclusion are all there. And I am not making them up.

Asking the thread to be closed. When. it was really not a flame thread. Just a bunch of very unhappy people. Who were unhappy with the service he provided. Is just not very classy.

[ChrisRay]

2) To promote something that has been in a lot of prior products (like Rage3D Tweaker, 3dfx's control panel... doesn't ATI have something similar? it isn't heavily promoted - glofied color controls isn't much to talk about really)

No Digital Vibrance or anything like it is not available in Ati's control Panel. ATI has no color saturation tool.

This singular piece of misinformation has been provided by Catalyst Maker for a long time. Until it was proven false. Now he just doesnt say anything about it.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by ChrisRay
Now he just doesnt say anything about it.
Fortunately we have you around to keep bringing it up. :rolleyes:

[ChrisRay]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Fortunately we have you around to keep bringing it up. :rolleyes:

I dont remember the last time I posted a thread about Digital Vibrance. I may reply to them. But I dont make threads requesting this feature anymore. I have given up on it.

You can search for a post created by me if you'd like. You will find only one. And that was my very first. So it's not like I drag the issue out to be discussed.

would you care to list the problems you have with ati software @ the moment ?

I am just curious since I know you are all for digital vibrance.. but am not aware of the other thing's (plural.. is why I am interested)

Digital Vibrance, Super Sampling AA, Better Per Monitor Control Color Control settings, And better framebuffer readback.

Sorry for not replying to this sooner. There was alot to reply too ;)

1) To improve their IQ vs ATI

I'll say it once and I'll say it a thousand times. This is the same rhetoric reply I hear about negative DV threads.

#1. Color Saturation is not an issue when it comes to Image Quality based on RFI filters, RFI filters are still filtering the same amount of color as they were before. At the limitation of analog device.

#2. RFI filters, Improved Picture Crispness, Help at higher refresh rates to keep text crisp and legible. Digital Vibrance Does nothing to improve to text legibility.

#3. The only thing Nvidia currently offers that would improve terrible RFI filters is there "Image Sharpening" tool in the Nv control Panel. WHich does help with the #2 issue.

#4. Color Saturation is no way helps reduce blurriness. The main issue with bad RFI filters.


*edit* P.S. Digital. If you are unhappy about something. And all you can do is lobby for it. What would you be doing? There is nothing I can do but mention it. And for that. I do not feel I am out of line. I have made it very clear I have no intention of buying another ATI product based on this man unless I see an effort to apease requests I and many other users have been asking for , For almost 8 months now.

That being said. I dont expect you to like what I have to say, Nor do I expect you to actually reply to what I have said with anything other than personal attacks on myself. Because I "know" he is your friend. And I dont expect you to ever agree with me.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by ChrisRay
That being said. I dont expect you to like what I have to say, Nor do I expect you to actually reply to what I have said with anything other than personal attacks on myself. Because I "know" he is your friend. And I dont expect you to ever agree with me.
You're probably right about the agreeing bit as Terry is my friend and I really do think he's doing a bang-up job and is trying his damndest to make everyone happy, but I think I'll surprise you and not do an attack just so you're wrong. :p

Digital. If you are unhappy about something. And all you can do is lobby for it. What would you be doing? There is nothing I can do but mention it. And for that. I do not feel I am out of line. I have made it very clear I have no intention of buying another ATI product based on this man unless I see an effort to apease requests I and many other users have been asking for , For almost 8 months now.
But WHERE are you lobbying for it? On the boards. Yes CM does cruise the boards and yes ATi does respond, but their main feedback mechanism for their drivers really is the feedback form on their site.

I would be pushing/lobbying people on the boards to go and fill out a feedback form on the problem. Get their feedback flooded with requests for digital vibrance and you'll stand a much better chance of getting it, they can not ignore feedback requests. (Although I'll grant you it ain't a guaranteed thing)

Seriously, try opening a new thread and link to the driver feedback form and give 'em a paragraph to cut-n-paste into the problem report with all the problems/requests you have...it'll be a far greater impact than any amount of arguing on the boards with me will do. :)

[ChrisRay]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
You're probably right about the agreeing bit as Terry is my friend and I really do think he's doing a bang-up job and is trying his damndest to make everyone happy, but I think I'll surprise you and not do an attack just so you're wrong. :p


But WHERE are you lobbying for it? On the boards. Yes CM does cruise the boards and yes ATi does respond, but their main feedback mechanism for their drivers really is the feedback form on their site.

I would be pushing/lobbying people on the boards to go and fill out a feedback form on the problem. Get their feedback flooded with requests for digital vibrance and you'll stand a much better chance of getting it, they can not ignore feedback requests. (Although I'll grant you it ain't a guaranteed thing)

Seriously, try opening a new thread and link to the driver feedback form and give 'em a paragraph to cut-n-paste into the problem report with all the problems/requests you have...it'll be a far greater impact than any amount of arguing on the boards with me will do. :)

When I have done the above. With features that are important to me. do you suggest I spam them with the same request over and over and over? would accomplish nothing but annoying the Catalyst Driver team. Because the IP is probably recorded.

I cant see a whole lot of benefit in filling it out multiple times. Now that being said. If I cruise an active community. Filled with active enthusiasts and posters. And they see a possible need for the feature. Then perhaps they can do the same as I have done.

You can lead a Deer to Water, But you cant make them drink. Are you under the assumptions I have not filled out these requests? Because I have.

Because, Really, I dont see me filling out a feedback request multiple times as an answer...

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by ChrisRay
I dont see me filling out a feedback request multiple times as an answer...
No, no. I wasn't meaning to suggest that. I was trying to suggest you get OTHER people who feel the same as you do to report themselves via the feedback form.

If you can get a couple of dozen people to fill out the form, you'll be making a real difference and they'll reconsider it. :)

FOCUS your protest where it will do the most good is all I was suggesting. I thought you asked what I would do, so I thought about it and that's what I came up with. I've been known to go off on me own crusades from time to time like that... ;)

[Red Dog]

The bottom line is,

ATI's approach is to fix the squeakiest (is that a word?) wheel first. I believe that is a good thing 99% of the time.

I just think they should be more flexible in that policy so when something as basic as 32bit textures is noticed to be broken it becomes a high priority.

I mean 32bit textures is a fundamental issue imo. But hey, the sun is still shining outside.

:D

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Red Dog
But hey, the sun is still shining outside.

:D
Damned daystar is always making me feel guilty about sitting around posting... :bleh:

[Mike89]

Seems to me Chris, you are working way to hard to paint Cat Maker in a bad light, it looks to me to have become a personal thing with you for whatever reason you have come up with. I have re-read all the dialog you posted between you and Cat Maker and I just don't come away with the same impressions you do. Apparently I'm looking at it with a different point of view than you are but I just don't agree with your assessments. Has it ever occured to you that just maybe your point of view is not the only one that could be correct? It doesn't seem so by your posts. Seems like you have made this a personal crusade.

[DivotMaker]

Originally posted by ChrisRay
That interaction means absolutely nothing. If they are going to complain about such little things about feedback.

Had ATI stated, "We didnt release it. Because it was not ready to be released"

Would have been loads better than "We didnt release. And you guys shoulda filled out more feedback"


Well Chris, you have just convinced me that you simply don't get it, nor do you want to get it.

What you state above can be contradicted with the following post at Rage3D...

Originally posted by CATALYST maker
This bug is understood and fixed in an internal build. It was however too late to hit the 3.7 schedule and we did not want to delay 3.7 since it fixed so many other things.

Furthermore I hate to say it but the amount of feedback we have had in regards to that bug is suprisingly low (less than 10), so it was not considered a very high priority.

Sorry for letting it slip but honestly you need to let us know what bugs are important to you. Follow the link in my sig and keep letting us know what we need to fix in what order.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33708530&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

I don't see anywhere that CM is pointing fingers at anyone. What I see is an admission that the bug was not high enough on the priority list at the time 3.7's were finalized. He does admit that trying to include thae above fix would have prevented a timely release of the 3.7's which had numerous fixes already. Had the severity of the issue realized after release, been evident to ATI using proper feedback channels, the issue would have taken on a higher priority and likely would have taken precedence over another fix. Futhermore, the issue has been reproduced internally and a fix is forthcoming.

He has pointed out the issue, given users feedback that the issue will/has been resolved, a fix is coming, and a polite reminder to utilize the tools ATI has established for reporting driver bugs in the Catalyst driver program. I truly fail to see what part of this process you are having issues with. The only thing that sticks out in my observation is you have repeatedly made it well known that you don't like Terry or the job he is doing. To me, this is nothing more than a personal crusade on your part and you have twisted the comments to suit your own agenda. If you stick to the facts and read the comments as they were originally intended, you have no leg to stand on.

[russo121]

Chris,

Please..... this is a post to discuss catalyst 3.7 and not a person, enterprise, group of people or whatever.....
Please, make another thread about your feelings, likes, dislikes, sports, whatever....
I've read 3 pages of your crap and about your crap and is very annoying... I want to see bench results comparing radeons to nvidia, radeons to radeons, radeons to whatever.......
I ask you please, open a new thread about your complains... you will see..... you will have a lot of people in there to discuss it with you.....

Seriously:

I'll check what happens to CM (Colin Mcrae 3) and tell you something guys....