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Vinesta
07-30-02, 05:24 AM
From MSNBC:


FIFTY PERCENT or more of the foreign artists have canceled,” said Mehta, music director of the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra. In the current production of Richard Strauss’s opera “Salome,” he said, “we’ve had eight cancellations in the cast.”

The orchestra announced today that it was forced to cancel an eight-concert tour in the United States next month because no insurance company would cover the performances due to concerns about possible terrorist attacks, said a spokeswoman for the orchestra, Dalia Meroz.
“They think our orchestra is a target for terrorism,” Meroz said.

MEGA-STARS ARE SCARCE
Israel also used to be a regular stop on the pop music circuit, hosting the likes of Madonna, Eric Clapton, R.E.M. and Santana. But it has been more than a year since a mega-star played here. In some cases, Israeli artists have been disinvited from playing abroad. And the Tel Aviv film festival was canceled this year because the organizers feared no stars would come.
The problem goes beyond the arts. In March, the European football federation suspended soccer matches in Israel, citing security concerns. Israeli home games are scheduled to be played in Cyprus.
Influential academics, angry at the Israeli government’s actions against Palestinians, are pushing a boycott of Israel that hundreds of university professors have joined. And on the economic front, some Norwegian supermarkets label Israeli products with stickers so customers can decide whether to buy them.
“Israel is not the flavor of the month, that’s for sure,” Mehta said. “The world is turning against it.”
While there is little evidence of an internationally coordinated anti-Israel boycott of the sort aimed at South Africa in the 1980s, a sense of isolation is taking hold here, along with a concern that Israel is being shunned, dealing a blow to its national psyche and its decades-long drive for acceptance.

‘IT’S AN OBSESSION’
“Israel has always wanted to be integrated. It’s an obsession,” said Calev Ben-David, managing editor of the Jerusalem Post, who complained that “even the traditional supporters of Israel are not coming” these days.
“Never since the worst days of the Lebanon war has Israel felt so alone and isolated,” he said, referring to the Israeli invasion of its northern neighbor in 1982. “We’re not looking just for integration anymore. We’re looking for any sign of solidarity and acceptance we can get. We really need a boost. We’d give the Palestinians a state if Bruce Springsteen would come.”

Many artists have canceled appearances because of concerns about Palestinian suicide bombers who have attacked buses, hotels, restaurants and nightclubs. There is also a growing fear here and abroad of a large terrorist attack like those in New York and at the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

But many Israelis say that while security concerns are almost always the sole reason given for the cancellations, they believe many people are not coming because they oppose Israel’s actions in the conflict with Palestinians but do not want to say so publicly.

“During the wars, there were always cancellations for reasons of personal security, but this time it’s a very different story,” said a Hebrew University philosopher and political scientist, Yaron Ezrahi.
“There is a moral issue about coming to [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon’s Israel when it is engaged in actions which appear to be excessive,” he said. “This excommunication only reinforces the idea that the whole world is against us because we’re Jews.”
Such was the case last month at the Israel Festival, one of the country’s biggest cultural events. Three groups — a dance troupe from Belgium and orchestras from Germany and Italy — canceled at the last moment.

GERMANY, ITALY HAVE CONCERNS
The groups from Germany and Italy cited security concerns. But the Belgian group — a 34-member troupe called Rwanda ’94 that stages performances about the massacre of more than a half million ethnic Tutsis — said its reasons were overridingly political.
“There was genocide of the Jews, then there was genocide in Rwanda, and now Israel is trying to get rid of the Palestinians,” said the group’s music director, Gareth List, explaining that most of the people in his troupe “oppose the way Palestinians have been treated for the last 54 years.”

Similar concerns prompted more than 200 painters, photographers, poets and other artists to endorse an Internet petition calling on their peers to “cancel all exhibitions and other cultural events that are scheduled to occur in Israel” because “the art world must speak out against the current Israeli war crimes and atrocities.”
Many people, however, are genuinely concerned about their safety, event organizers said. Others cite personal or professional conflicts or medical excuses, which organizers said they sometimes read as a tip-off that the real problem is political.
“Nobody says it openly,” Mehta said. “At the moment they say, ‘Look, my family just won’t let me go.’ That’s usually what they do.”
But the security concerns are real, he said, and apparently have played a role in the decision of many stars not to come.

“I say, ‘I’m going, and I cannot force you,’ ” said Mehta, 66, the former director of the Los Angeles and New York philharmonics, who spends about nine weeks a year in Israel. “I cannot guarantee them 100 percent safety. My mother sits in Los Angeles and is shaking every day. If I don’t call twice a day, she’s nervous.”
“My parents, my uncle in Kalamazoo, my good friends all along kept saying they wished I would cancel,” said Susan Anthony, an up-and-coming American soprano who took over the title roll in “Salome” when opera great Jane Eaglen canceled for security reasons. “There was a bombing less than a mile from my hotel three days ago, and the cast was on the phone with each other — turn on CNN! — and then the families try to get through to make sure you’re not down there.”

NO BIG STARS
Lia van Leer, founder and director of the Jerusalem Film Festival, said her event typically draws as many as 200 foreign actors, directors and other film industry people, but this year attracted only about 60, and no one of the stature of such past attendees as Robert De Niro, Warren Beatty, Jane Fonda and Kirk Douglas.

“It’s awkward. They have another agenda, they’re starting another film, they have a vacation scheduled — and I can’t blame them,” she said. But for the most part, “it’s not a boycott for political reasons, it’s only a boycott because people are afraid to come here.”

The Tel Aviv Museum of Art, which hosts chamber music performances, had so many cancellations by foreigners this year that it recently decided to book only local artists for its next concert season. And the Tel Aviv film festival, which was canceled this year for the same reason, has been postponed indefinitely, said Edna Fainaru, the festival’s founder.
The pop music scene has been particularly hard-hit, said the Jerusalem Post’s Ben-David, who has covered the arts scene in Israel for more than 10 years.
“Rock stars who live totally on the edge are afraid to come here,” he said. At the same time, “the rock community tends to veer toward a left, politically correct line, and to some degree it has become politically impossible in that community” to perform in Israel.
“Before, any big band coming from the U.S. to Europe would drop by Israel. That’s over,” said Shuki Weiss, a top concert producer who brought David Bowie, Bob Dylan and other top acts to Israel.

‘SET US BACK SIX YEARS’
“The general idea for the last 20 years was to put Israel on the map, and with all modesty, we succeeded very well,” he said. “But now, when you see all the familiar big names going to Europe or on world tour and you are not considered, it’s a strange feeling of isolation. It’s set us back six years.”
Not only are international artists shunning Israel. In a few cases, Israeli artists have been disinvited from performing abroad, including in Europe and the United States — once again, usually because of security.
Chava Alberstein, an Israeli folk singer, and singer-songwriter David Daor were asked not to perform at European concerts this year, their agents said.
“Those who canceled did not make anti-Semitic remarks. It was mainly a security thing,” said Pazit Daor, David Daor’s wife and manager. “In Detroit, they were scared they would need to protect the whole place.”


heh, add to that the increasing unemployment rate, and over $250 billion of debt.

But why should they worry? As long as your tax dollars are pumped to insure that Sharon (i.e. The Man Of Peace[tm]) never runs low on 1-ton laser guided bombs.

Kruno
07-30-02, 05:36 AM
Why go against Israel?

vampireuk
07-30-02, 05:46 AM
yeah like either side is perfectly innocent:rolleyes:

Kruno
07-30-02, 05:49 AM
hehehe tru dat. :)

StealthHawk
07-30-02, 05:50 AM
the matter gets complicated because of the allies and enemies of each side, all butting in.

Vinesta
07-30-02, 06:31 AM
Well, how about Americans giving Israel free F-16s nad free laser guided one-ton bombs, that were just used a week ago to commit a massacer so that they can get their guy?

The Swedish foregin minister summed it up when he said "This is a crime aganist international law and morally unworthy of a democracy like Israel"

Kruno
07-30-02, 06:48 AM
How about countries giving Suddam Hussein weapons?

Vinesta
07-30-02, 07:00 AM
At least they're selling their weapons. ;)

Kruno
07-30-02, 07:02 AM
ROTFLMAO. I'm sure SH will start supplying terrorist groups if he isn't already.

Vinesta
07-30-02, 07:05 AM
Yes, and the US has been supplying a terrorist state for over a decade.

Kruno
07-30-02, 07:09 AM
Talk about irony :eek:

Vinesta
07-30-02, 07:13 AM
And the US helped Taliban against the Soviet Union... they're getting back slashes everywhere.

But worse of all, they've been giving Israel free money and military equipments for so long.

I think they the EU and Americans should impose some kind of economic sactions against Israel until they dismantle all the settlement and starts a real political process.

Kruno
07-30-02, 07:25 AM
The problem that many see with doing that is Israel can't defend against suicide bombers. No one can negotiate with them either. To start somewhere you have to get rid of anyone meddling in the political affairs. IE: "Genocide" networks.

volt
07-30-02, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by K.I.L.E.R
How about countries giving Suddam Hussein weapons?

We are talking about Israel and Palestine here.
Hussein doesnt need anyone to give him weapons.
He's got plenty of money and people that will follow him to hell.

If you guys would realize how much most of the European nations hate America's foreign policy, then you might be able to figure out why do they have all those protests.
Again sticks and rocks against country that is beeing fed with money like crazy.

LORD-eX-Bu
07-30-02, 12:34 PM
I say we nuke both the palestinians and israelis, then we get rid of the problem. But, haven't you noticed that most of the terrorist problems in the world are caused by radical muslims? That pisses me off so much, I say we nuke.:D

volt
07-30-02, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU
I say we nuke both the palestinians and israelis, then we get rid of the problem. But, haven't you noticed that most of the terrorist problems in the world are caused by radical muslims? That pisses me off so much, I say we nuke.:D

I say you go back few thousand years in history and look for an answer, because you wont find one in our time.

LORD-eX-Bu
07-30-02, 12:47 PM
But..... Nukes.... they solve everything! nukes are our friends.:eek:

vampireuk
07-30-02, 01:39 PM
would you happen to be Bush in disguise?;) :p

[Corporal Dan]
07-30-02, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU
But..... Nukes.... they solve everything! nukes are our friends.:eek:


Dammit, haven't you ever played fallout?

netviper13
07-30-02, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU
I say we nuke both the palestinians and israelis, then we get rid of the problem. But, haven't you noticed that most of the terrorist problems in the world are caused by radical muslims? That pisses me off so much, I say we nuke.:D

Radical Christians have done much, much more damage total. I mean look at the freaking crusades, 10 times as many dead as from all the terrorist attacks in recent history put together.

Islam itself is a very peaceful religion, it's just unfortunate that people such as UBL can twist the peaceful teachings into the falsehoods preaching martyrdom.

Israel's policy is full of more holes than a piece of swiss cheese after it has been machine-gunned! They moan and wail about civillians getting killed in homicide bombings, and then they pass off 16 dead Palestinian civillians as nothing. Talk about contradictory! :rolleyes:

Fatman
07-30-02, 03:29 PM
There is a good reason a lot of people outside of US and inside US dislike U.S. foreign policy. Double standards sums it up pretty well. Plus, besides weapons, U.S. gives Israel about 4 billion dollars each year. Yet, officially U.S. claims to be neutural.

Iran hires Russian Federation scientists to build its first nuclear power plant and U.S. cries bloody murder. And frankly, Bush is a freaking moron. Thank god we have Powell and Chaney in the office to help that doofus. I just hope McCane runs againt Bush in the next election.

netviper13
07-30-02, 03:31 PM
Cheney is a moron too, although a lesser one than Dubya. Rumsfeld is dumb and clueless, and Ridge is obsessed with taking away all liberty of people. Powell is the smartest one in the administration.

LORD-eX-Bu
07-30-02, 03:47 PM
My father has worked with Mcain, Bush Sr., and Regan, dunno about Powel or Cheney, but Mcain was good, but recently he has been doin' some pretty gay liberal crap. I happen to like Israel and support its actions, I am tired of the palestinians and their bitching, they got beat in a war in which a bunch of arab nations fought israel and israel still kicked their asses. If they want their land back they should stop their stupid terrorism and start a real war. Give them the holy war that they want, who cares, they'll just get beat again. We should put a bomb in Hussein's toilet and blow him to hell when he takes a dump. UBL is a stupid ass and so are the iranian mullahs. All dictators, I am not saying that Israeli policy is perfect, but it is the best it can be with the situation in that area. The palestinians are asking for Isreal to bomb them, it is their fault that they get blown up. Heck, they blow themselves up anyways to kill israelis, whats the big deal with blowing them up with a missile before they have the chance to blow themselves up in a crowded street corner or market place or a bus. Who cares, the palestinians are getting what they deserve. Not all palestinians deserve it tho, just the terrorist ones. :o

Matthyahuw
07-30-02, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by netviper13
They moan and wail about civillians getting killed in homicide bombings, and then they pass off 16 dead Palestinian civillians as nothing. Talk about contradictory! :rolleyes: That's not true, they apologized more than once for that, thank the liberal media for not publicizing it... They've done it before successfully with the same weapon without issue.
War is hell, and there is always collateral damage, no getting around that...
You want Israel to stop going into Palestinian camps?
Tell em not to bomb Israel in the 1st place!
Israel has not been the agressor in this campaign.

LORD-eX-Bu
07-30-02, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Matthyahuw
That's not true, they apologized more than once for that, thank the liberal media for not publicizing it... They've done it before successfully with the same weapon without issue.
War is hell, and there is always collateral damage, no getting around that...
You want Israel to stop going into Palestinian camps?
Tell em not to bomb Israel in the 1st place!
Israel has not been the agressor in this campaign.

Amen.