UT2K3 DM-Icetomb performance feedback needed ASAP!

[vampireuk]

OK I'll make it a lot simpler this time, I can play more games:p :D

Let's not also forget you have been told around 3 times why this happens:rolleyes:

[SuLinUX]

Originally posted by vampireuk
OK I'll make it a lot simpler this time, I can play more games:p :D

Let's not also forget you have been told around 3 times why this happens:rolleyes:

I can play most of my Windows games in Linux, oh one more thing Linux is FREE.

Let me put it simple,

Windows OpenGL/D3d/Icetomb=very slow

Linux OpenGL/Icetomb=smooth as normal

:rolleyes:

[vampireuk]

You have asked why this happens and you have been told. The problem you have with the answers is that nobody has simply said "because Linux is better". Let me put it this way I personally will not use Linux because I won't be able to play the games that I like to play. This will be the case for a lot more people too, sorry but Windows is better for gaming, end of story.

[SuLinUX]

Originally posted by vampireuk
You have asked why this happens and you have been told. The problem you have with the answers is that nobody has simply said "because Linux is better". Let me put it this way I personally will not use Linux because I won't be able to play the games that I like to play. This will be the case for a lot more people too, sorry but Windows is better for gaming, end of story.

WTF are you talking about, get a grip man, this is not about if Linux is better than windows at games you moron.

It's about (like the thread says) DM-Icetomb feedback needed.

I'm saying that in Linux there is no problem with Icetomb, so It cannot be a FX card probelm.

jesus christ man. :rolleyes:

[vampireuk]

You might want to rethink calling anybody in this forum a moron, espcially a moderator. The fact is you are going on about one level of one game that runs better on Linux and believe it's a good reason to switch over?

[SuLinUX]

Originally posted by vampireuk
You might want to rethink calling anybody in this forum a moron, espcially a moderator. The fact is you are going on about one level of one game that runs better on Linux and believe it's a good reason to switch over?

This is incredible, your still thinking i'm having ago at windows.

Read the f****** thing properly.

Do you want me to spell it out to you more simply as the person wants feedback on DM-Icetomb.

[vampireuk]

I can play most of my Windows games in Linux, oh one more thing Linux is FREE.

Hey and at least I never argue with myself:p besides everyone can see this is just your little crusade against windows by flat out ignoring what you have already been told. And watch your tongue.

[mrsabidji]

Originally posted by SuLinUX
This is incredible, your still thinking i'm having ago at windows.

Read the f****** thing properly.

Do you want me to spell it out to you more simply as the person wants feedback on DM-Icetomb.

The problem is you don't provide any valid feedback. People here are investigating nv35's performance in DM-Icetomb in D3D and all you could say is basically 'UT2k3 runs better under Linux'. That's kind, but rather useless, for the matter they were discussing here.

mrsabidji

[SuLinUX]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Hey and at least I never argue with myself:p besides everyone can see this is just your little crusade against windows by flat out ignoring what you have already been told. And watch your tongue.

Look that was just put in because you were pissing me off, the fact remains that the Icetomb level issue is nothing to do with the FX.

[SuLinUX]

Originally posted by mrsabidji
The problem is you don't provide any valid feedback. People here are investigating nv35's performance in DM-Icetomb in D3D and all you could say is basically 'UT2k3 runs better under Linux'. That's kind, but rather useless, for the matter they were discussing here.

mrsabidji

How can it be useless, if It runs in Linux normal then it's not a nv35 problem is it.

FFS. :rolleyes:

[mrsabidji]

It'll be usefull when Linux will run D3D. The problem is (read carefully) nv35 seems to not perform well in Direct3D, thus its OpenGL performance in Linux has no real importance here.

mrsabidji

[SuLinUX]

Originally posted by mrsabidji
It'll be usefull when Linux will run D3D. The problem is (read carefully) nv35 seems to not perform well in Direct3D, thus its OpenGL performance in Linux has no real importance here.

mrsabidji

It still runs bad in windows OpenGL, so would you agree it's not a nv35 problem?

[mrsabidji]

That's what they're trying to find out... However, the problem being Direct3d related, OpenGL (be it run in Windows or Linux) performance can't be taken into account.

mrsabidji

[SuLinUX]

That still doesnot explain why it slows down in both d3d/OpenGL/windows but not OpenGL in Linux.

If it's nv35 related then it would slow down in OpenGL/Linux as well but it doesnot.

[mrsabidji]

So let's reckon that Linux runs faster. The point is a R3x0 using the same OS (windows) and the same API (D3D) performs better (IQ and speed) that its nv3x equivalent in the same conditions. They're trying to determine what's causing the nv35 to perform that bad in these precise conditions, so the fact that a nv35 performs well in Linux using the OGL API is great, but it doesn't help them much.

mrsabidji

[SuLinUX]

No, it says that the nv35's hardware has NOTHING to do with the speed problem in Icetomb, thats wht it says.

[mrsabidji]

I don't think so. It simply says that OpenGL in Linux runs faster than OpenGL in Windows, period. You're just forgetting R3x0 performance in D3D. There are hardware differences between R3x0 and nv3x, aren't there ? But there's no difference between DirectX 9.0 and itself, so the chances are high that it's an hardware related problem.


mrsabidji

edit : by the way, your reasoning is based on what we call a sophism ;) .

[SuLinUX]

Runs faster, how do you make that out? I mean it runs like **** in windows D3D/OpenGL, obviouly there is a problem somewhere, more lightly driver related.

In Linux it runs just like any other UT2003 level, how can that be a hardware problem?

[mrsabidji]

Right, it could be a driver problem. However, saying that since the game runs faster in Linux OpenGL than in Windows OpenGL excludes the possibility that there's a problem with the way nv35 hardware handles D3D instructions is simply not a valid argument.

mrsabidji

[SuLinUX]

ok, but on one level?, hmmm I dont see how that could possibly happen.

Has anyone tried it in different DX versions?

[fivefeet8]

The performance issue is pretty mute now as new detonators have solved the performance issues with these 2 maps in Ut2k3. The question of how is anybody's guess.

IQ remain relatively unchanged from the pseudo bi/tri filtering applied in previous 45.xx drivers. Although to me, the IQ in UT2k3 has never been better on my fx5900u using the 52.13 beta dets.

[mrsabidji]

Originally posted by SuLinUX
ok, but on one level?, hmmm I dont see how that could possibly happen.

That could be due to some Dx9 texture-effects specific to that level. Effects that wouldn't be rendered at all in OpenGL, hence the absence of performance hit in OpenGL in this level, compared to the other levels.

mrsabidji

[The Baron]

perhaps the Linux NV drivers can't render the fog, which is the cause of all Icetomb slowness? or maybe the crazy specularity?

ah, gotta love people ignoring the obvious and assuming that it's simply because Preferred Product A is better than Hated Product B (although we all know how much I hate MS... heh.)

[SuLinUX]

Yer but UT2003 is DX8.1, you dont need DX9 to play Icetomb.

It renders the fog in Linux/OpenGL, as you move the fog slips away in the distance.

[Behemoth]

i have no problem with people blindly support their favorite products. but its a bit much to keep spreading false informations. imho.