View Full Version : NV40 coming soon
bkswaney
09-19-03, 03:19 PM
I was told a couple of weeks back that NV had pushed the NV40 launch up quite a bit. I took it with a grain of salt even tho the person that told me gets pretty dang good inside info.
Now we know Samsung has already shipped 1000's of memory chips for them.
So now I'm wondering if it's true. If so ATI better get the R500 in high gear.
He also said the NV38 would never see the light of day.
I know this is not the rumor mill forum. ;)
Originally posted by bkswaney
He also said the NV38 would never see the light of day.
That would be a GOOD thing.
However, I still doubt we'll see an NV40 before 2004.
/shrug
Taz
Hellbinder
09-19-03, 03:36 PM
They are Going to Launch Nv40 in November.
However, After seeing what Uttar said about the Nv40 yesterday. I am not convinced that it is going to be what the Doctor ordered. I get the Distinct feeling that its going to perform much better than the current hardware but fall between the R360 and Loki in performance. Which i believe is why they are Pushing it up so far and droping the Nv38. The Nv38 is going to have the same exact issues against the R350 that the Nv35 does.. that is not even considering the R360.
As for Nv40.
Still pursueing mixed modes. Still using the same Basic concepts set forth with the Nv30. Not a good thing imo. Nvidia is going to be in for a very long 2004 the way i see things today.
saturnotaku
09-19-03, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
Still pursueing mixed modes. Still using the same Basic concepts set forth with the Nv30. Not a good thing imo. Nvidia is going to be in for a very long 2004 the way i see things today.
Are we still talking about the same FSAA modes that are on the current crop of NVIDIA hardware? If so, that's all kinds of not good. :(
But I guess we'll find out in November.
I believe he's talking about Mixed Mode precision in DX9 - FP32, FP16 and FX16. The latest Radeons use FP24 minimum for everything DX9 related.
bkswaney
09-19-03, 03:43 PM
I agree HB... The mixed mode is not the best way of doing it.
They should have just used 24 like ATI did or use full 32.
Drop the 12 and 16 Nvidia.. :lame:
Get with the program. :)
Interesting. I wonder if the NV40 is the NV40 they actually wanted to do? They are getting hammered with the NV3x line. From a PR perspective, maybe the dumping of the NV3x tag is a goal.
Afterall, most people bemoaning the NV3x line almost always say they hope the NV40 will be better. With all the spin they have been throwing out, I see this as a definate possiblity.
Originally posted by Hellbinder
They are Going to Launch Nv40 in November.
I get the Distinct feeling that its going to perform much better than the current hardware but fall between the R360 and Loki in performance.
Uh.. a paper launch is a far cry from hitting retail.
Also... what the hell is Loki??? :D
Thanks,
Taz
Can anyone say pushed up Paper Launch?
Sure seems like they are in a hurry doesn't it? Must be because even their Die-Hard Fanboys are jumping ship....... and the WORD is getting out. Lets paper Launch something eagerly anticipated to get folks to hold off.............................
AGAIN!!!
Bahahahahaha their PR is second to none, in the BS they spew, AND the amount of times they get caught talking BS.
:rolleyes:
how much you wanna bet an official announcement will be made soon, praising the nv40.. so all the nvidia users wont switch over to ati.. almost kinda like what happened exactly 1 year ago.... hmmmm....
Yeah jakup I wouldn't doubt it.... it worked on you last time ( even though you tried hard to believe).
I'm sure they will be spewing some kind of BS with overinflated under precision benchmarks in the near future.
I can hear it now:
" O wow guys my buddy has a friend who's sister is married to a guy who works for them.......... they say the product scores 15,000 in 3DMK03 using stock settings......Dude it runs doom at 16x12 8AA/8AF at amazingly blinding speeds... the counter in the console broke it was going so fast......." \
Blah blah Blah...
But bound to happen.
digitalwanderer
09-19-03, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Interesting. I wonder if the NV40 is the NV40 they actually wanted to do? They are getting hammered with the NV3x line. From a PR perspective, maybe the dumping of the NV3x tag is a goal.
Afterall, most people bemoaning the NV3x line almost always say they hope the NV40 will be better. With all the spin they have been throwing out, I see this as a definate possiblity.
Damn it, you beat me to it. I agree with you and bet the NV40 that they launch is nothing like the NV40 they were talking about a few months ago...that would explain why they're still going FP16/FP32 instead of building their new solution around FP24 too.
schuey74
09-19-03, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
They are Going to Launch Nv40 in November.
However, After seeing what Uttar said about the Nv40 yesterday. I am not convinced that it is going to be what the Doctor ordered. I get the Distinct feeling that its going to perform much better than the current hardware but fall between the R360 and Loki in performance. Which i believe is why they are Pushing it up so far and droping the Nv38. The Nv38 is going to have the same exact issues against the R350 that the Nv35 does.. that is not even considering the R360.
As for Nv40.
Still pursueing mixed modes. Still using the same Basic concepts set forth with the Nv30. Not a good thing imo. Nvidia is going to be in for a very long 2004 the way i see things today.
A very long 2004 indeed. May sound pessimistic but I would call it realistic after this past year. Nvidia's next real chance is NV50, unfortunately everything before that will be patched up hardware based a failed design (NV30). Nvidia had stated that the NV30 was the basis for their GPUs until NV50. They said that way back when they thought they're NV3x was going to rule the world, but I would now take it as a warning not to touch an Nvidia graphics card for at least another year or so.
I don't think there's a difference between 24bit and 32bit colour - the extra 8 bits aren't used, but the memory is 32bits wide so might as well fill them all up and tell ppl a bigger number.
As for canceling nv38, hmm... sounds fishy. Cause weren't they going to release that really soon? Or at least do a paper launch.
I'm not surprised they're pushing up nv40. What is known about them so far?
Well, sounds like the current NV40 is a souped up NV35....that was probably known as the NV38.
In other words, the new 'current' NV40 is not the chip everyone thought it would be. It doesn't mean that the one we all thought it would be does not exist. It *might* mean that the one we all though existed has been renumbered.
I dunno,..the more I think about it, the more this sounds like another PR job.
GlowStick
09-19-03, 05:50 PM
A november launch seems really soon to me, but wow.
If the nv38 isnt gonna go into production it dose kinda make sence, it being a refresh of a refresh and all.
Hellbinder
09-19-03, 05:55 PM
I don't think there's a difference between 24bit and 32bit colour - the extra 8 bits aren't used, but the memory is 32bits wide so might as well fill them all up and tell ppl a bigger number.
As for canceling nv38, hmm... sounds fishy. Cause weren't they going to release that really soon? Or at least do a paper launch.
I'm not surprised they're pushing up nv40. What is known about them so far?
You understand that when we say FP16 FP24 and FP32 we are talking about Floating point math. Not traditional math. Each bit of complexity added increases the number of colors available exponentially.
Your thinking that these are somehow 8 tossaway bits is missing the mark a bit.
When Dealing with Complex Shader effects, HDR, Photo Realistic images. Color Percision is HUGE. If this was not such a big deal you would not already be seeing the impact of FP16 and its lowered Quality.
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Well, sounds like the current NV40 is a souped up NV35....that was probably known as the NV38.
In other words, the new 'current' NV40 is not the chip everyone thought it would be. It doesn't mean that the one we all thought it would be does not exist. It *might* mean that the one we all though existed has been renumbered.
I dunno,..the more I think about it, the more this sounds like another PR job.
Originally posted by eesa
I don't think there's a difference between 24bit and 32bit colour - the extra 8 bits aren't used, but the memory is 32bits wide so might as well fill them all up and tell ppl a bigger number.
Originally posted by bkswaney
I agree HB... The mixed mode is not the best way of doing it.
They should have just used 24 like ATI did or use full 32.
Drop the 12 and 16 Nvidia.. :lame:
Get with the program. :)
God, make this thread die.
scott123
09-19-03, 06:09 PM
Nvidia can't afford any more mistakes. If their next hardware isn't a home run, then they need to put it on hold until it is.
My 5900 Ultra has been a complete dissapointment for me. I have run these two cards for months, and I can't believe what Nvidia pulled here.
Scott
reever2
09-19-03, 06:12 PM
I bet theyre not gonna put a codename on the chip, then see how well the public reacts to it. If its good, they will say it's the NV40, if bad they will say it's the NV38
I hear what you are saying scott, but they cannot afford to let the gap widen between them and ATI either.
ATI is getting ready to roll out, yet a faster card. NVidia has to get something out there to divert attention from the current product. Who knows, maybe they take a different tact with the PR campaign, which is really what has hurt them quite a bit this go round. Well, it didn't help underestimating what the competition could/would do either.
schuey74
09-19-03, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by GlowStick
A november launch seems really soon to me, but wow.
If the nv38 isnt gonna go into production it dose kinda make sence, it being a refresh of a refresh and all.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to release the NV38 after the HL2 fiasco as you would really need to be mentally challenged to spend $400-$500 on those cards. But if they were supposed to be in stores by October then Nvidia should have already done its first production run. If that's the case then 5900s might be rebadged NV38s for this Christmas season. Unfortunately, virtually no one would care.
mrsabidji
09-19-03, 09:14 PM
Yep, releasing another high-end nv3x GPU would be basically useless from a commercial point of view. There is virtually no theoretical buyer for such a product. I mean, nv35 sold well because people thought they were buying what the nv30 should have been (personally, that's one of the reasons why I bought one). But it's been two 'fiascos' in a row now, and nobody's expecting anything from another nv3x GPU anymore. At least not the guy who's gonna spend $500+ on a card.
Maybe nv36-based video cards could have a little more success if they were released this Christmas as a replacement for the 5600s.
mrsabidji
You're making the mistake of assuming the NV38 is a true refresh, like the NV35/R350 :)
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