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Ruined
09-20-03, 06:04 AM
Now that the flickering is fixed in the 45.33 drivers, and with all the focus on the DX9 performance issues FX5900 has, I'm guessing the scroll noise/card buzzing issue will get swept under the carpet. Especially when NV38 will be out in 1-2 months and will effectively replace NV35 - I doubt Nvidia will continue to spend resoruces on fixing NV35-specific problems. Not cool.

Any possibility of getting this thread sticky'd so perhaps NV notices that this problem hasn't "gone away?" You could probably unsticky the flicker sticky since the flicker issue was fixed in 45.33...

Jeffus
09-20-03, 06:39 AM
I'm really beggning to wonder bud... I really am, I'm so pissed off with Nvidia at the moment I'm begining to wonder if it's time to save up MORE HARD EARNED CASH!! and purchase the 9800pro 256???

If nvidia think they can ignore us FX5900 owners and simply say well sorry peeps, buy the next card instead...... well SCREW EM!! They need to let everyone return their existing cards and have a free replacement card.. LIKE THATS GONNA HAPPEN EH??!

Why hasn't Nvidia come public on this???:rw:

Ruined
09-20-03, 07:16 AM
Couple of problems... We aren't buying directly from Nvidia, rather from MSI, eVGA, Gainward, etc, so it would be up to those companies to provide a replacement/upgrade program, or at least provide the replacement cards to Nvidia as Nvidia is not a board manuf (this program could obviously be spurned by Nvidia themselves). For instance, when the 3dfx Voodoo Rush bombed, owners of the Rush were given the option to send in their Rush and get a Diamond Voodoo1 board back in exchange (the V1 being the performance the Rush promised.)

As for selling and upgrading, I don't think it's worth it. A 5900 non-ultra goes for $175-$275 on eBay, and an ultra goes for $275-$375. That means you will lose $150-$250 on your original purchase. It also means it will probably cost you at least $100 to switch to a 9800PRO 256mb, and what are you accomplishing? Good performance + IQ in HL2 and DX9 games for the next year? That's pretty cool, but I think the upcoming Det50s will provide adequate performance (odds are without the IQ being as good, but probably good enough) without having to spend that extra cash. Basically, I'm not throwing any more cash into a video card unless it can run 3dmark03's mother nature test without dropping under 50-60fps. The 9800PRO may look attractive, but I bet even it sputters on HL2 with max effects plus HDR at times. Though the R9800 appears much more capable than the FX5900 at DX9, I don't think either ends up delivering as the end-all-be-all DX9 product. That won't be until NV40/R420.

I'm just going to hold onto my card and see how Nvidia handles the situation... It will be a good test of their metal.

I think I just have bad luck with 3D videocards, which is strange since my luck with 2D videocards was always fantastic (except when I used ATI cards - sticking with S3 and Tseng chipsets was the way to go)... Look at my 3D history:

1. Voodoo Rush 6mb ($250+) - Half the speed of Voodoo1. Held on to it cuz i didnt want 3d overlay of V1 or a second video card in my system. Had a problem with making the soundcard stutter when scrolling, eventually fixed with drivers. (Hercules brand)

2. Voodoo3 3000 16mb ($169) - lambasted for color depth of "22bit" Held on to it cuz it was rock solid stable and faster than nvidia offerings at the time. And it had a cool green box. (3dfx brand)

3. GeForce3 TI200 ($90) - Alright, a super-stable card with great performance and price. The fan died and the card burned out after a year. Price matched the build quality. (Visiontek brand)

4. Nvidia GeForce FX5800 128mb ($285) - I thought, hey, why not try it, I can get it for $285 shipped, and if I don't like it I can always sell it! Impressed with the Dawn demo, great performance in all of my games, all in all a card that was pretty nice. Except for one thing. Even *without* the FX flow, the turbine fan was too much to bear especially in idle mode. Ended up dumping it a week later for $285 (ASUS brand, no loss, yay).

5. Nvidia GeForce FX5900 128mb ($419) - Got the MSI 128mb version - looked nice, ultra quiet yet still actively cooled, apparently fixed any problems the FX5800 had with PS2.0 performance. Worked great with all my games and I thought I was all set. Then I noticed the scroll noise... Then the DX9 benchmarks came in. I can live with degraded IQ for performance, but the scroll noise is just annoying. If not for the noise itself, just that it screams "cheap POS computer." similar to the stuttering the Voodoo Rush caused.

So I guess you could say my best videocard purchase which actually lasted me the most time without upgrade was the Voodoo3 3000 16mb. Was ultra-stable, fast, and had decent performance even if the IQ wasn't the best. The FX5900 would actually fall into a similar category if they fixed the scroll noise.

Jeffus
09-20-03, 08:20 AM
Ruined, I agree (I meant to mention the respecitve launch partners).. I was kinda makin a pun towards Nvidia....

Your history is similar to mine.....

Once again perhaps waiting to see what the det50.xx is the way to go.... fingers crossed eh?

AthlonXP1800
09-20-03, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Ruined
I'm guessing the scroll noise/card buzzing issue will get swept under the carpet.

card buzzing under the carpet? :lol2:

Seem you are only the person complained about card buzzing, guess it all in your mind, take your next medication will stop it getting in your mind. :)

Lfctony
09-20-03, 09:56 AM
I have the 5800 and the 5900, and I'll just run HL2 in mixed mode, I never bought a new system for a single game. I feel cheated, but I have no more money to spare. :(

NickSpolec
09-20-03, 10:05 AM
card buzzing under the carpet?


You really aren't that stupid, are you?.....


P.S. I am speechless someone could be that dumb. Flat out, not flaming, but this guy is a moron.

Ruined
09-20-03, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
Seem you are only the person complained about card buzzing

Not even close.

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1634&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=WTF+is+that+noise%3F%21%3FGFFX5900&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1150&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=Geforce+FX+5900+Ultra+mouse+beeps%3F%3 F+%2D+very+strange&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1390&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=beeping+%2D+ANNOYING%21&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/e_service/forum/thread.php?threadid=26325&boardid=9&styleid=1

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/e_service/forum/thread.php?threadid=23438&boardid=9&styleid=1

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14388

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=633813

rth
09-20-03, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Ruined
You could probably unsticky the flicker sticky since the flicker issue was fixed in 45.33...

but then unfixed with the 50s

Jeffus
09-20-03, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
card buzzing under the carpet? :lol2:

Seem you are only the person complained about card buzzing, guess it all in your mind, take your next medication will stop it getting in your mind. :)

NO HE AIN'T...... :rw: So ner!

I had the buzzig/clicking noise with my 5900, it turned out to be my PSU so I bought the Antex true power 550 (with loads of power connections), my card has it's own power (no Y connector to a drive)... no more clicking for me

Ruined
09-20-03, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Jeffus
NO HE AIN'T...... :rw: So ner!

I had the buzzig/clicking noise with my 5900, it turned out to be my PSU so I bought the Antex true power 550 (with loads of power connections), my card has it's own power (no Y connector to a drive)... no more clicking for me

From Gainward's comments on the issue, it sounds like there is a substandard component on the FX5900 which varies in quality from board to board - meaning that some people won't be able to fix it at all, some people won't have it at all, and some people might be able to fix it by cleaning up the power supply (your case).

LabRat
09-20-03, 11:17 AM
Using a 5900 now (traded my 9700pro for it temporarily--friend wants to see it upgrading to ATi will be worth it to him--he still has a hard time believing ATi wont crash his system every 10 minutes).

Though he never complained about this scrolling-noise issue, I find it VERY noticable. This card is an eVGA, BTW, and if it were mine there is no way in hell I would keep it. Through fair means or foul, eVGA would be replacing the card until I got one that worked properly.

BTW, is this AthlonXP1800 person always so moronic, or is today simply special for him?

AthlonXP1800
09-20-03, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Ruined
Not even close.

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1634&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=WTF+is+that+noise%3F%21%3FGFFX5900&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1150&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=Geforce+FX+5900+Ultra+mouse+beeps%3F%3 F+%2D+very+strange&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1390&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=beeping+%2D+ANNOYING%21&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/e_service/forum/thread.php?threadid=26325&boardid=9&styleid=1

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/e_service/forum/thread.php?threadid=23438&boardid=9&styleid=1

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14388

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=633813

Thank for all the links, I knew about the buzzing sound on some 5900 cards, so far here are no mentioned of buzzing sound under the carpet. :lol: "under the carpet" phase shouldnt be used on the headline and the first post. :)

vandersl
09-20-03, 01:33 PM
Seem you are only the person complained about card buzzing, guess it all in your mind, take your next medication will stop it getting in your mind.

"under the carpet" phase shouldnt be used on the headline and the first post.

Ummmm, AthlonXP1800, the phrase 'swept under the carpet' refers to an attempt to hide something without actually cleaning it up. As in sweeping a floor and sweeping the dirt under a carpet rather than picking it up and disposing of it.

In this context, the original poster is questioning whether NVidia will ever deal with the scroll noise problem, or will simply ignore it and hope the problem will just 'go away'.

If english isn't your first language, then I can understand your mistake. But if English isn't your first language then I suggest you refrain from making derogatory remarks about other poster's language that only serve to make you look stupid.

AthlonXP1800
09-20-03, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by vandersl
Ummmm, AthlonXP1800, the phrase 'swept under the carpet' refers to an attempt to hide something without actually cleaning it up. As in sweeping a floor and sweeping the dirt under a carpet rather than picking it up and disposing of it.

In this context, the original poster is questioning whether NVidia will ever deal with the scroll noise problem, or will simply ignore it and hope the problem will just 'go away'.

If english isn't your first language, then I can understand your mistake. But if English isn't your first language then I suggest you refrain from making derogatory remarks about other poster's language that only serve to make you look stupid.

Ah I get it, of course english is my first language, I wished I had completed 1 year with Communications classes at college 7 years ago to learned more complex english and discuss with the class about understanding phases meaning like "food for thought" but my supervisor dropped Communications after just 3 months, it a shame. :(

StealthHawk
09-20-03, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by rth
but then unfixed with the 50s

Yep. 51.75 is dated older than 45.33, and 51.75 does not have the flicker fix. I'm guessing the next official or leaked driver will have the flicker fix. At that time the stickies will be unstickied.

Gamer_001
09-20-03, 08:21 PM
well it's not really a solution but I menaged to stop my scrolling noise.

Double click on the speaker icon on the bottom right of your screen.

In the Volume control, check the mute box of CD Player Volume.

Then my scrolling noise is gone.

Jeffus
09-21-03, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
Yep. 51.75 is dated older than 45.33, and 51.75 does not have the flicker fix. I'm guessing the next official or leaked driver will have the flicker fix. At that time the stickies will be unstickied.

From what I've read the 51.75 drivers where written to benchmark HL2 (but then there's that much flying around I simply get confused). 45.33 where an official release to resolve flicker and OpenGL issues...

The new official 51.xx drivers will obviously incorporate 45.33 fixes/enhancments.... we HOPE!

Kurgen
09-21-03, 07:21 AM
Gamer_001 wrote :

well it's not really a solution but I menaged to stop my scrolling noise.

Double click on the speaker icon on the bottom right of your screen.

In the Volume control, check the mute box of CD Player Volume.

Then my scrolling noise is gone.

Has anyone else tried this? I can't, since I returned my 5900, but I specificaly remember not having the scroll noise, and wondering what people were talking about - but I always mute my CD volume, which may explain why I never suffered it, as gamer_001 says.

K.

Ruined
09-21-03, 07:41 AM
We are talking about two different problems here (or maybe the same affecting us in different ways). Gamer_001's mute CD volume sounds like a soundcard-interference problem. When I did that it did not change anything for me. The only thing that has affected the scroll noise was upgrading to the 45.33 drivers which made it less noticable (but still there).

Kurgen
09-21-03, 07:45 AM
Hmmm... oh well.

Is it brand-specific? My card was a PNY Verto FX5900 128mb (non-ultra).

K.

goofer456
09-21-03, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Ruined
Not even close.

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1634&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=WTF+is+that+noise%3F%21%3FGFFX5900&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1150&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=Geforce+FX+5900+Ultra+mouse+beeps%3F%3 F+%2D+very+strange&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1390&FORUM_ID=17&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=beeping+%2D+ANNOYING%21&Forum_Title=GeForce+FX+Family+Forum

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/e_service/forum/thread.php?threadid=26325&boardid=9&styleid=1

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/e_service/forum/thread.php?threadid=23438&boardid=9&styleid=1

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14388

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=633813
LOL owned:

mrsabidji
09-21-03, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Ruined
We are talking about two different problems here (or maybe the same affecting us in different ways). Gamer_001's mute CD volume sounds like a soundcard-interference problem. When I did that it did not change anything for me. The only thing that has affected the scroll noise was upgrading to the 45.33 drivers which made it less noticable (but still there).

With your post and what Volt said in another thread about the 45.33 reducing voltage/fan-speed to avoid the flickering problem I'm inclined to think that the scrolling-buzz is due to an interference generated by the electric power nv35 uses. It doesn't seem to be solvable via a soundcard related trick as if you just just power off your speakers, the noise still remains.

mrsabidji

Spotch
09-21-03, 09:18 AM
I get the swcrolling noise with my GF4Go460 and GF2Go in my laptops so it isnt an FX only problem.