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mariuz
09-20-03, 07:44 AM
what card is worth buying ?
ti4200,5200U or 5600U

PS: don't want a ati card

saturnotaku
09-20-03, 07:47 AM
Ti4200

Ruined
09-20-03, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by mariuz
what card is worth buying ?
ti4200,5200U or 5600U

PS: don't want a ati card

Well, the ti4200 is probably the cheapest, but will perform on par or faster than the 5200U in DX8 games. The 5200U supports DX9, but it looks like it won't be fast enough to use it anyway - however it may be a better card for Doom3. The 5600U (rev2/400mhz core) looks like it still doesn't have enough juice to play DX9 intensive games, but it will likely play Doom3 engine games OK, and it will play DX8 games faster than the ti4200. Another thing to consider is that the FX series has better 2D quality than the ti4200 series, and does AA/AF better. I'd say go with the 5600U (rev2/400mhz core) if you want the best overall performer of the bunch.

phial
09-20-03, 07:54 AM
PS: don't want a ati card


how come?

goblin
09-20-03, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by mariuz
what card is worth buying ?
ti4200,5200U or 5600U
http://www.flickerdown.com/stewks/articles.php?articleId=18
PS: don't want a ati card

Check out the flicker.com article on benchmarking. The reviewer does his best to avoid pointing fingers at Nvidia but insted points it at Futuremark.

What a chicken.

Get the 4200 for direct x 8 games. Stay away from the FX.

If you want to play dx9 games that are out now and future games you are going to have to bite the bullet and go ATI. Unless you have a really good reason, like your mom works at Nvidia and you get a huge discount.

Lfctony
09-20-03, 08:47 AM
The 400/800 5600 Ultra is barely faster than the 4200. Read reviews. The 4200 by far is the best. Don't even touch any 5200 relevant cards, overpriced and underperforming, can't come even near the 4200, plus they can't run Halflife 2 properly not even in DX8 mode!


Edit: Fixed ok?

Slappi
09-20-03, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Lfctony
The 400/800 5600 Ultra is barely faster than the 4200.

Umm wrong.

Read reviews. The 4200 by far is the best. Don't even touch any 5200 relevant cards, overpriced and underperforming, can't come even near the 4200,

I agree the 5200 sucks

plus they can't run Halflife 2 not even in DX8 mode!


Total BS. Where do you guys come from?

I agree with others that ATI is the way to go but don't BS people.

digitalwanderer
09-20-03, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Lfctony
The 400/800 5600 Ultra is barely faster than the 4200. Read reviews. The 4200 by far is the best. Don't even touch any 5200 relevant cards, overpriced and underperforming, can't come even near the 4200, plus they can't run Halflife 2 not even in DX8 mode!
Uhm, no. :cool:

The GF4ti is a great card, but the 5600 Ultra will spank it across the board.

Either way, go ATi. ;)

phial
09-20-03, 09:22 AM
plus they can't run Halflife 2 not even in DX8 mode!


and where exactly did you get that information, from your butt?

Lfctony
09-20-03, 09:31 AM
1.Well, Tom's review of the 350/700 5600 Ultra shows it slower than the 4200, unless AA/AF is enabled. Hell, in one of my reviews I found the 4200 faster! Plus the 4200 mops the floor with the 5600U in Codecreatures and Splinter Cell. Thus, the Rev2 is only marginally faster than the 4200. !Thats why I'm not wrong.
2.The 5200 Ultra scores 20fps at 1024x768 in Halflife 2 when in DX8 mode. Now I don't consider that "running" when a 4200 will run it with 40. Not to mention that with DX9 FP it runs with 11fps. Plus your 5600U runs with 28fps in DX8!


Just point me to one article that show the Rev2 5600U being vastly faster than the 4200. And one of the Halflife 2 articles that shows the 5200U perform at proper speeds. And by running I don't mean the way the Intel Extreme Graphics chipset runs 3DM2k3!

Lfctony
09-20-03, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by phial
and where exactly did you get that information, from your butt?


Let me clafiry! Running PROPERLY! Not just run it!

Lfctony
09-20-03, 09:34 AM
Digital Wanderer have you even seen a 5600 U in action? I have! And Rev2 is barely faster. Give it something hard like Splinter Cell or Codecreatures and the 4200 buries it with its fillrate!

mariuz
09-20-03, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by goblin
Check out the flicker.com article on benchmarking. The reviewer does his best to avoid pointing fingers at Nvidia but insted points it at Futuremark.

What a chicken.

Get the 4200 for direct x 8 games. Stay away from the FX.

If you want to play dx9 games that are out now and future games you are going to have to bite the bullet and go ATI. Unless you have a really good reason, like your mom works at Nvidia and you get a huge discount.
nice article

Have re-read it and it is pretty actual (when you look at halflife2, aquamark benchmarks)
Somhow benchmarks can be modified(coded) to work better with X card and tell
people that you worked 10x more on the Y card (but you didn't) .
So the game works 2x faster on X card and 2x slower on Y card .
Is so easy to do that ...
The only benchmarks i trust are the open source ones , You can take a look at how they are written ...

TheTaz
09-20-03, 09:56 AM
Ti4800SE is another nice choice in the price range you are looking at. (Basically an AGP8X Ti4400... and yes, they still work in an AGP 4x slot)

If you have a few extra bux, a Ti4600 is the best for speed, while staying away from the FX line.

If you are looking for a 'temporary' upgrade to bypass the whole NV3X FX Line / DX9 fiasco... (Aka waiting for the NV4X line) then the Ti4200 is your best bet.

Taz

Behemoth
09-20-03, 10:57 AM
5600U!!!!
i am sure it will make you regret not going for ati ;)
for the price of 5600U ati will give you dx9 performance that even beats 5900U has to offer :matrix:

B&R
09-20-03, 12:40 PM
5600U or ti4200 since they are best ones from their categories. I dont get y you dont want Ati.

The Baron
09-20-03, 12:46 PM
If you can get the 5600 Ultra Rev 2for less than $60 above the price of the Ti4200, do that. If not, get the Ti4200.

oqvist
09-20-03, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by mariuz
what card is worth buying ?
ti4200,5200U or 5600U

PS: don't want a ati card

That is easy. If you really donīt want a Radeon card which I donīt see any reason not to get the Ti-4200. The 5200 U is slower than a Geforce 3 I would imagine and will never make use of dx 9 neither will the 5600 ULTRA probably since what we have seen with the 5900 ULTRA.

So best bang for the buck definiatly ti-4200 but me personally would definiatly go ATI if I want to play demanding dx 8 or dx 9 games.

-=DVS=-
09-20-03, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by mariuz
nice article

Have re-read it and it is pretty actual (when you look at halflife2, aquamark benchmarks)
Somhow benchmarks can be modified(coded) to work better with X card and tell
people that you worked 10x more on the Y card (but you didn't) .
So the game works 2x faster on X card and 2x slower on Y card .
Is so easy to do that ...
The only benchmarks i trust are the open source ones , You can take a look at how they are written ...

You implaying that ATI is somehow cheating in those bechmarks :rolleyes:
you obviously lived in a cave but thats ok :lol: , for your own sake stay away from FX line get GF4 4400Ti decent card.
Id go with Radeon9600Pro (cheap and fastes of all and Future Proof)

The Baron
09-20-03, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by mariuz
nice article

Have re-read it and it is pretty actual (when you look at halflife2, aquamark benchmarks)
Somhow benchmarks can be modified(coded) to work better with X card and tell
people that you worked 10x more on the Y card (but you didn't) .
So the game works 2x faster on X card and 2x slower on Y card .
Is so easy to do that ...
The only benchmarks i trust are the open source ones , You can take a look at how they are written ...
That's a foolish conclusion. Open source stuff is good because you can change the code slightly in order to defeat CRC checks and the like in the driver, but simply because a benchmark is open source doesn't mean it's a good benchmark.

euan
09-20-03, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by mariuz
nice article

Have re-read it and it is pretty actual (when you look at halflife2, aquamark benchmarks)
Somhow benchmarks can be modified(coded) to work better with X card and tell
people that you worked 10x more on the Y card (but you didn't) .
So the game works 2x faster on X card and 2x slower on Y card .


What cave have you crawled out of? :D

The FX series has been shown beyond a doubt to be inferior to the point of hysterics, and your still trying to say that recent benchmarks are fudging the scales? The only real fudging has been NV driving over the chicanes instead of round them. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

EDIT: looks like the rest of the world beat me to it!

mariuz
09-21-03, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by B&R
5600U or ti4200 since they are best ones from their categories. I dont get y you dont want Ati.
Thank you :)
Ok gonna choose between the two
and about the article
dave have posted an Update to it
i'm reading it now ...

http://flickerdown.com/stewks/articles.php?articleId=18&page=4

john19055
09-22-03, 12:53 AM
If you have a problem wiyh ATI,I would go with the TI4200 ,because it's cheaper than the FX5600u and nealy all cases will run things faster,when the FX's try to run DX9 it dose'nt look good and my TI4600 ran ever thing with good frame rates unless I use AA and aniso.

Spotch
09-22-03, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by mariuz
what card is worth buying ?
ti4200,5200U or 5600U

PS: don't want a ati card

To answer your question... none are worth buying. So I guess your upgrade will have to wait at least another 6 months or so.

jimbob0i0
09-22-03, 10:38 AM
Why exactly don't you want an ATI card?... right now I cannot with good faith recommend any NV cards.... however if you wait a bit XGI and S3 are due to enter the market soon and their cards all look quite promising.