Time for a Change to the Forum Sections...

[Hellbinder]

I propose that you make these changes to the Forum.

-Open Graphics Discussion Forum

-Nvidia Product Fan Forum

-ATi Product Fan Forum

-XGi Product Fan Forum

-Tech Support Forum

There you have it. Basically the Open Graphics Discussion section will be like the Current Two Nvidia/Non Nvidia Sections combined into one. The Thing that will seperate the Nvidia, ATi, and XGi Fan forums is that No Obnoxious, aggressive, antagonistic, overly debative and other wise Contrary posts will be allowed. Closely moderated (if possible) to make it a clean enjoyable place for each Companies Fanbase. Strict Guidlines and enforcement on what people are allowed to get away with. I would even have a 3 strikes and your out rule for those forums.

It is simply that this Site is becomeing more and more open to all people. Its simply not the Nvidia hang out it used to be. I think its going to become even more Diverse with XGi comming out with compelling products. Lets not forget S3 and PowerVR to. The Open Forum would provide us a place to just post about all the stuff thats intrests us regardless of Company. Imho, it should be the main focal point of Graphics Discussions.

You may want to have a Flame Bait Section to where Threads from any area can be moved.

There you have it :cool:

[digitalwanderer]

Now hold on just a minute! :mad:

That's twice in a row now I've caught you being all reasonable.




Who the hell are you and what have you done with the real Hellbinder?!?!?

[ragejg]

good idea, but it does still seem to me that the out of the box drivers that ship with these cards may determine their fate... and we don't know much about drivers with these cards yet, rite?

[The Baron]

Hey waitaminute, we don't need to rip off B3D you know ;)

[Hellbinder]

Hey waitaminute, we don't need to rip off B3D you know

B3D does not offer closely moderated Fan Forums. Where you are allowed to be as Biased an idiot about your Card as you always wanted to be. With no fear of being flamed into Burning cinders.

B3D does not have an open Graphics forum either.

They have these

-3D Technology and Hardware
-3d hardware and detailed techno geek stuff
-3D Graphics Boards and Drivers
-3D Graphics Companies and Industry

What i am talking about is clearly different with its own flavor completely.

[The Baron]

Mkay. Taken under consideration, along with the 250 other things I have under consideration at the moment. :)

[volt]

There is no need for XGI forum now.

[Hellbinder]

Well. I said XGi because they are launching a Complete Product line from top to bottom and will be a legit 3rd contendor. I fealt it showed good advanced acceptance of their effort.

Heck im going to pick one up.

Its just been a 2 Horse race for so long it would really be nice to at least acknowledge a third party in the forums. Plus if they go Big you guys can have braggin rights for being so forward looking and ahead of the game ;)

[StealthHawk]

An interesting idea.

Of course this statement is worrisome to me: "The Thing that will seperate the Nvidia, ATi, and XGi Fan forums is that No Obnoxious, aggressive, antagonistic, overly debative and other wise Contrary posts will be allowed. "

What is obnoxious, aggressive, et al to some is not to others. Just who decides what is "overly debative?"

I think having pure fanboy forums is an invitation for mass banning. Some people just like to cause trouble. Others are disgruntled fans. I also forsee a lot of misplaced topics. Even now there are constant Linux threads, Detonator threads, hardware rumor threads, and non-NVIDIA graphics card threads being posted in the NVIDIA section. How hard is it to post in the right forum? Yet I see misplaced threads daily. How easy will it be to enforce only pro-NVIDIA fanboy threads be placed in the proposed NVIDIA fan section? Let alone discussions that may eventually turn "sour." I think it will be extremely hard to make things flow smoothly.

I do understand that some people want a place where they don't have to hear anything negative about their products, whether it be FUD or the truth. I understand that some people also don't want to acknowledge products from other companies. Ideally these people could have a place of their own and would be able to live without "persecution." But will such a utopian forum structure really work...I have seen some people removed from this community for stepping over the bounds who provided valuable input. They broke the rules and they're gone, nothing to say about that. But I question how wise it would be to set up things that would promote the loss of forum members.

[mrsabidji]

Yep, Hellbinder's idea doesn't look that bad, but it would kinda be like having a 'Racists Street' in a town, I think.
There are simple rules and people must learn to respect them, or leave. Fanboyism seem to be slowly disappearing lately, by the way. It's never been that unbearable to me, anyway. My 2 cents...

mrsabidji

edit : missing words and stuffs... I should read my prose twice before posting it :D

[Hellbinder]

If they are not mature enough to know to stay out of the enemy camp then they deserve to get tossed out. Especially with a 3 strikes rule and an Open Forum for Debate.

Of course there was my idea for a Flame bait Section where the non banworthy stuff got moved to. Then the offenders could Finish their little diatribe in there.

Here is the issue.

I like to Debate. I Like to really go at it in discussions. The problem is that there are people out there who cant handle the intense discussion. They come and post "I like my new 5600 benmchmarks" or some thing and are immidiately answered by 10 people with something else to say. No its not always ATi people. much of the time these days its people who were staunch Nvidia people until a short while ago.

When this happens the place just feels antagonistic to those people. They see Nvnews on the Door. They See Nvidia on the Furum. However the majority of posters are not happy Nvidia users.

While i like debate, i dont like the fact that nearly every thread gets turned into some intense debate or flame war. Specifically becuase I feel bad for those poor guys who just bought an FX and want to post happy thoughts about it.

Most of the people here post in the Nvidia Forum, not the "Other" Forum. Because most of the topics of interest revolve around Nvidia and whats happening to them today. However its all more like Open Debate about it all, what it means etc, than being strictly relating to Nvidia.

The Central place of Discussion here should be an Open Graphics Forum. Where Nvidias Shenanigans can be debated into the ground right beside Talk of XGi, or the R360. Without The perception that the kelts have crossed over and are attacking the southern Border.

[The Baron]

While i like debate, i dont like the fact that nearly every thread gets turned into some intense debate or flame war. Specifically becuase I feel bad for those poor guys who just bought an FX and want to post happy thoughts about it.
...

you mean to tell me you DON'T like flamewars?

This is crazy. Completely crazy. Holy Mackerel Crazy.

And Stealth, it's not like we don't ban often anyway. Warning PMs don't do much good when most people don't read them. *sigh* About half of my warning PMs get read within a month or two of sending them. The rest merely sit in Limbo.

I dunno. I think it's not a bad idea, but a Huge Giant Switch isn't probably the best idea at the moment. Maybe when things calm down a bit...

[Hellbinder]

you mean to tell me you DON'T like flamewars?

This is crazy. Completely crazy. Holy Mackerel Crazy.

I like a good Debate, with people who can handle it. I like talking about the issues.. getting to the nitty gritty and occasionally flying off the deepend.

That is a totally different thing than "Flamewars".

[The Baron]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
I like a good Debate, with people who can handle it. I like talking about the issues.. getting to the nitty gritty and occasionally flying off the deepend.

That is a totally different thing than "Flamewars".
Nah, I just remember Pre-Knocked-In-The-Head-With-The-Common-Sense-Stick Hellbinder far too well. :)

I would get rid of the "Fan" in the forum title, and keep the Linux forums as they are (considering how often they are used by new members). This would help out a good bit by getting rid of the Detonator Driver Forum (pretty redundant IMO, but oh well).

Definitely worth considering.

[|JuiceZ|]

listening.....

[digitalwanderer]

WHAT IN THE HELL DID YOU PEOPLE DO TO HELLBINDER?!?!

[Hellbinder]

I guess Its looking like a much better idea now that we know Nvidia is not even going to make the Graphics industry its primary Focus..

Im telling you guys "Open Graphics Discussion" is the way to go.

Shoot... By this time next year you may even have a place for Nvidia similar to the way other sites still have 3Dfx rememberance Forums... :eek:

[UDawg]

I have the solution for you. Since most of your debates Hellbinder and others like you are 3D graphic card politicaly based along with tech based, a Graphics Card Political Forum would be best. That would cover all the bases of graphics cards and clearly show a higher level of debate rather than just a open forum for the occasional fanboy troll.

Think it over or maybe a variation of that theme but just a plain 3d card open forum invites too much. Either way a forum for serious vid card junkies is a good idea.

[darkmiasma]

I definately like this idea.

Originally posted by Hellbinder
I propose that you make these changes to the Forum.

-Open Graphics Discussion Forum

-Nvidia Product Fan Forum

-ATi Product Fan Forum

-XGi Product Fan Forum

-Tech Support Forum

[sbp]

Originally posted by UDawg
I have the solution for you. Since most of your debates Hellbinder and others like you are 3D graphic card politicaly based along with tech based, a Graphics Card Political Forum would be best. That would cover all the bases of graphics cards and clearly show a higher level of debate rather than just a open forum for the occasional fanboy troll.

Think it over or maybe a variation of that theme but just a plain 3d card open forum invites too much. Either way a forum for serious vid card junkies is a good idea. lol a Graphics Card Political Forum raises interesting possibilities. I bet that whale Ted Kennedy uses an Nvidia GeForce FX 5800 Ultra. Why? Causes its loud and blows a lot of hot air like he does. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/smilies/dodgy3.gif

[LiquidX]

I second Hells thoughts on the forum change. I am not a fan boy at all but its really getting sickening to come to the graphics card section and only find negative remarks against Nvidia in every second thread. It would be good if there were all in a card general discussion section. Also when you think about it the linux sections could be combined for space.

[B&R]

Matrox fan forum will be helpful too.:angel2:

[Kruno]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
WHAT IN THE HELL DID YOU PEOPLE DO TO HELLBINDER?!?!

He's with my dougnhuts; in the fridge. :lol:

[theultimo]

Well, all i can say is that there is some great info being passed around on these "heated" discussions. But I agree with the "Reformed?!?!" Hellbinder that we needs a Open Discussion forum. That way we dont have many of the posts in the Nvidia forum like we do with Mixed ideas, like "Which graphics card should I buy?" and stuff like that, which could be ATi/XGi/nVidia/even 3Dfx, but they dont have a forum.

EDIT: Need to check posts twice more, like someone else on this board :(

[MikeC]

I began thinking about creating a new forum following the debut of the NV30. It wasn't an open graphics forum, but rather a forum for members to rant about NVIDIA, ATI, a particular review, or anything graphics related. I wanted a quick fix to get the NVIDIA bashing threads out of the NVIDIA Graphics Cards forum.

While the theory behind an open graphics forum sounds good, I found it difficult to determine which of the threads in the current NVIDIA Graphics Cards forum would be candidates to move to an open graphics forum. On the other hand, a forum member with a rant would know the forum to make their post in.