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Simbad
09-24-03, 04:44 PM
What is the official position of NVidia about writing GeForce and NForce drivers for BeOS?

saturnotaku
09-24-03, 06:10 PM
If I had to guess...non-existent because BeOS is less popular than Linux.

Simbad
09-24-03, 06:52 PM
May be ... we will see ... But is there anybody from the NVidia Corporation who can answer to my question if the NVidia is making or planning to make a driver for BeOS?

Italian BeOS User Group (http://www.itbug.org)

The Baron
09-24-03, 07:52 PM
Nonexistent because the Be corporation no longer exists.

saturnotaku
09-24-03, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by The Baron
Nonexistent because the Be corporation no longer exists.

Well, there 'ya have it. I thought Be was toast, but wasn't entirely sure.

The Baron
09-24-03, 10:15 PM
The free version of Be has all of 500 users anyway. NVIDIA needs to work on its Linux drivers as it is; maybe someone can port a very simple GPL Linux driver, but I doubt you'll see any official NVIDIA BeOS drivers.

Maybe when you see NVIDIA OS/2 drivers ;)

Simbad
09-25-03, 07:29 AM
Be Incorporated (http://www.beincorporated.com/)
And do you know about Yellowtab (http://www.yellowtab.com) and Zeta?
And do you know about OpenBeOS (http://www.openbeos.org/) ?
So i think you are talking in a stupid way ...
I have found this link in the NVidia Linux Driver Page and i want to see if anybody of the NVidia Corporation respond here, i am not interesting in your personal opinion, you are you? And why you have something against BeOS?
NVidia OpenSouce drive are in development, see here (http://web.inter.nl.net/users/be-hold/BeOS/NVdriver/index.html) .

saturnotaku
09-25-03, 08:10 AM
Um...Be Incorporated voluntarily de-listed its stock from NASDAQ and its assets were sold to Palm in March 2002. Info (http://www.beincorporated.com/press/pressreleases/02-03-15_delist.html)

OpenBeOS has 53 contributors compared to tens (probably hundreds) of thousands in Linux. Zeta costs $39, Linux is free to download.

NVIDIA needs to concentrate its energy developing for its biggest market (Windows). They're not going to pay driver engineers to come up with a driver for something probably less than one percent of the computing population uses. That's just not smart business.

Simbad
09-25-03, 08:31 AM
1) When Linux has born it has had only 1 contributors Linus Torwald, OpenBeOS 53
2) You cannot compare Zeta with Linux but Zeta with Windows (Commercial/Commercial)
3) Zeta will be avaiable for christmas, so you cannot say how much market it will take
4) It's more intelligent for a corporation to think looking at the future, plus, a BeOS driver, knowing the specification of a card, it's not and hard work for the NVidia Engeeners

saturnotaku
09-25-03, 08:53 AM
OK, let's think this thing through logically.

Originally posted by Simbad
1) When Linux has born it has had only 1 contributors Linus Torwald, OpenBeOS 53

Yes, but the difference is Linux actually caught on very quickly. BeOS never caught on with the public when it was incorporated. If it did, do you think they would have sold their assets?

2) You cannot compare Zeta with Linux but Zeta with Windows (Commercial/Commercial)
3) Zeta will be avaiable for christmas, so you cannot say how much market it will take

LOL. Think about this a minute. There are commercial distributions of Linux available as well (Red Hat, SuSe, Mandrake). And Linux still has only what? Maybe five percent of the total market? And the distributions I mentioned are proven products. Who is going to want to take a chance on an even smaller, totally unproven operating system? If Zeta is extremely lucky it might take a slice from the Linxu pie. But the rolling death machine that is Microsoft? Not bloddy likely. Again, look to the past and the present.

4) It's more intelligent for a corporation to think looking at the future, plus, a BeOS driver, knowing the specification of a card, it's not and hard work for the NVidia Engeeners

Then why do NVIDIA and other hardware companies provide driver updates to their products? If it was so easy, every driver we download for all our products (motherboard, NIC, video card, sound card, etc) would be absolutely perfect and never need updating.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth the problem is such a thing would never happen because there is such a wide variety of harware configurations, it's neigh impossible to produce a driver that will work flawlessly on all configurations.

Let's look at this from a business perspective. If a company is going to invest time/money in developing software/hardware they want to see a return on that investment. NVIDIA felt it was worthwhile to develop a 3D Linux driver because they could say, "Hey, look! Our competition (ATI) doesn't have a Linux driver. Buy our products and be able to take advantage of 3D applications in Linux!" This investment obviously has shown returns because NVIDIA continues to update their Linux drivers to support new products and fix bugs.

I won't rule out the fact that if the reincarnated BeOS makes a splash that companies might look at developing drivers for it. That's a mighty big if, though. A lot of hardware companies still don't support Linux so what makes you think they would magically change their policy to an unproven product like Zeta? If past performance is any indication of future results (Be Incorporated), this project isn't going to go anywhere.

Simbad
09-25-03, 11:17 AM
I think you are only interested in defend your position and are not open minded. I have asked if somebody from NVidia could respond to my question, are you from NVidia? I don't understand why you have to spend so much time spelling wrong and bad words against BeOS and defending Linux. I haven't attacked Linux, i use Windows, Linux and BeOS, and think that Linux and BeOS are very good product the first for servers and acknoleged people and the second for the Desktop, becouse it is well done, doesn't crash and easy to use. You are making a war to your friends, it's stupid. You speak about the past, i think it's better to stay and see what will happen. The commercial distribuition of Linux is one thing like the commercial distribuition of OpenBeOS when the time will come, like Walter (http://www.beosmax.org/OpenBeOS.php), another thing is Zeta, so why you LOL?
You are talking as you were from the NVidia Corp. Staff but i don't think you are, or do you know esactly what is the position of NVidia about developing BeOS driver?
I think you would make a better impression speaking about the things that compete to you and not to speak for the NVidia Corp. or not?
The thing you are saying about the future is only your opinion that i respect, but that is not mine, and sincerely that doesn't interest me a bit. So please, stop messaging here your opinions on BeOS and telling me that Linux is better and telling your vision for the future looking to the past.

saturnotaku
09-25-03, 11:50 AM
Please re-read my posts. I would like you to tell me exactly where I said Linux was better than BeOS. I said it was more popular. More popular doesn't always mean better, as Windows 95 has all taught us. And you'll also note that I said if this version of BeOS takes off that you could very well see drivers developed.

All that myself and The Baron have told you is that it is highly unlikely that NVIDIA will develop drivers for this. While we don't work for NVIDIA, we've been part of this community and following this company for many years between the two of us. We're simply trying to be realistic.

And because I'm in a generous mood, this (http://www.nvidia.com/page/contact_information.html) is the contact information page for NVIDIA. E-mail isn't all that effective because odds are good they won't respond to you, but give one of their European offices a call. I'd be willing to bet you they say they have no plans to develop drivers at this time.

saturnotaku
09-25-03, 11:56 AM
And you can thank me later because here (http://web.inter.nl.net/users/be-hold/BeOS/NVdriver/index.html) we have someone who is writing a BeOS NVIDIA driver. Looks like it was updated fairly recently. But this is probably the best you can hope for.

Simbad
09-25-03, 12:55 PM
Six message before your last message you can find the link you have posted to me for the Driver in a message that i have sent to you.
If you want to know i have dowloaded it, install it, test it and make a report to the author about 2 month ago.

gmontem
09-25-03, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by saturnotaku
Yes, but the difference is Linux actually caught on very quickly. BeOS never caught on with the public when it was incorporated. If it did, do you think they would have sold their assets?
I thought BeOS caught on fairly well considering that Microsoft went to great lengths (http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/story/0,10801,84831,00.html) to ensure BeOS was not bundled in Windows PCs. BeOS would have still been alive had they released R6 and not shifted focus into Internet Appliances.

saturnotaku
09-25-03, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by gmontem
I thought BeOS caught on fairly well considering that Microsoft went to great lengths (http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/story/0,10801,84831,00.html) to ensure BeOS was not bundled in Windows PCs. BeOS would have still been alive had they released R6 and not shifted focus into Internet Appliances.

That Microsoft case was settled recently. But Be, Inc. folded well before. Had they held out they might still be around because from what I read the judgement was pretty large ($20 some odd million).

The Baron
09-25-03, 08:41 PM
*sigh*

For a long LONG time, there were no NVIDIA Linux drivers. At least no official ones--there were community ones with rudimentary 2D support, but no 3D support to speak of. Why? Because nobody really cared what Linux was doing. It was not a gaming, multimedia, or graphic design plattform. It was just a server OS, and so video card drivers were a moot point.

Then it started catching on big time, and NVIDIA developed a Linux driver. If BeOS catches on, you'll see a driver. If it doesn't, well, enjoy community drivers.

Simbad
09-26-03, 05:05 AM
May be, but this is your opinion, i will write to NVidia and ask for an official answer, BeOS and Zeta are the Media OS, built for desktop use ...

The Baron
09-26-03, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Simbad
May be, but this is your opinion, i will write to NVidia and ask for an official answer, BeOS and Zeta are the Media OS, built for desktop use ...
Yes, it's my opinion, but I promise you it's exactly what NVIDIA will say unless BeOS mysteriously catches on.