The Fuss Over Palladium

[StealthHawk]

why is everyone so mad about this? to quote straight from the horse's mouth (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724palladiumwp.asp)

"Palladium" is an opt-in system.

"Palladium" is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will ship with the "Palladium" hardware and software features turned off. The user of the system can choose to simply stay with this default setting, leaving all "Palladium"-related capabilities (hardware and software) disabled.

Turning "Palladium" completely off includes turning it off in hardware, which prevents any software from turning it back on. Users have the ultimate control over their systems and their information; "Palladium" does not entail any global requirements.

you guys made it sound like it was on and always on, with no way to turn it off :confused:

[[Corporal Dan]]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
why is everyone so mad about this? to quote straight from the horse's mouth (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724palladiumwp.asp)



you guys made it sound like it was on and always on, with no way to turn it off :confused:


I dunno, what about the Copyprotection in Prescott?


Is it the same?

[The Baron]

"And Windows XP is the MOST SECURE OPERATING SYSTEM EVER!"

"Windows ME is ultra-stable!"

Yeah... I'll believe it when I get the code and can see it for myself.

[[Corporal Dan]]

Originally posted by =SSC=The Baron
I'll believe it when I get the code and can see it for myself.

NBL

Not bloody likely


MS would never give out source code.

Greedy bastards

[The Baron]

Precisely my point, that's why I won't use anything "Palladium" :p

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by [Corporal Dan]



I dunno, what about the Copyprotection in Prescott?


Is it the same?

i think you guys are jumping the gun here and probably being paranoid. Intel caved and disabled that unique processor id thing, and if you read the article posted about LaGrande(the "copy protection" in Prescott) you should notice this

The technology, code-named LaGrande, was designed to protect computers from viruses and bad-natured hackers. But the feature will also give Hollywood, the recording industry, and software makers much stronger controls over the way consumers use their digital music, films, and computer programs.

Publishers, for example, may prevent PCs that run LaGrande and Microsoft Corp.'s software-based Palladium security technology from copying CDs, forwarding certain documents, or running unlicensed software.

Paul Otellini, Intel's president, said the chip maker would include no copyright protections in LaGrande, but he acknowledged that digital publishers could use the technology with software programs such as Palladium to create their own.

so there's your answer. it can be used as copy protection in conjunction with Palladium, and Palladium can be turned off :D

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by =SSC=The Baron
"And Windows XP is the MOST SECURE OPERATING SYSTEM EVER!"

"Windows ME is ultra-stable!"

Yeah... I'll believe it when I get the code and can see it for myself.

that was PR bull****, and we both know it.

this, on the other hand is a data sheet made public. they can't lie about a feature like this, or they'll be knee deep in lawsuits later. or, if there are changes made, we will know about it. but anyway, the point is that *ahem* certain people were running around stating that this feature could not be turned off if i remember.

[sbp]

What its all about is who controls your computer.

What annoys people is this "feature" was even included in the first place. Who is this feature really for-the customer or the companies? So it may be used to control things, bet you it will be used if they got their way.

These companies are going to keep shoving this crap down everyone's throats. It may not go though this time, but they'll keep trying and eventually will as people get tired of dealing with it. And finally don't think there aren't sheep out there who will accept anything that is done.

[StealthHawk]

since most people use their computers soley for the internet, word procession, and for *ahem* listening to music encoded in a certain format, i doubt many people wouldn't complain about something that might stop them from doing that.

[SavagePaladin]

I'd like to say I really enjoy my DRM enabled full quality 5.1 trial of this pater gabriel song at all. Free music that I don't hate...worth something
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and I know that had little to do with the topic, but it had something...