Matrix Revolutions Theories

[The Baron]

Yes, of course we need to have one.

Go ahead and start posting yours. I've got one, but I'd like to wait until I hear what other people think.

The thing is, I've never heard anyone suggest anything remotely close to what I've thought of, and I can back it up very well.

[Sazar]

they're all going to die..

:cool:

[The Baron]

Okay fine.

Smith is the One. Neo is the One. THEY'RE BOTH ONES! OH NOES!

[TheOneKEA]

I've read the Doran treatment, the LastFreeCity moderator-confirmed treatment, and a semi-happy-ending treatment on AICN.

I don't know what to believe.

Although I would like to know if Trinity inherited any abilities from Neo when he merged his code with hers after her death.

[The Baron]

Nah. I doubt it.

I'll combine all of my posts at another board on the Smith-as-One theory, post it here in a bit.

[TheOneKEA]

Ack. Waiting for linkage.

[The Baron]

Why can't a program be the One?

Bingo, I win. One instance of Smith is a One, just as Neo is, because he can break the rules of the system. That's why the Rainy Fight exists.

Smith is the One--he can return to the Source, just as Neo could, and keep the Matrix working. So, Neo will defeat One-Smith, force Smith back to the Source, keeping the Matrix functioning, the Machines happy, and ending the war between the two.

Think about it--he was supposed to return to the Source, but he felt compelled not to. It never says that a program cannot be the One in any way, shape, or form. The body isn't what's important in the Matrix--the mind is, and an AI is nothing but a mind. Smith broke free from the system--he was "unplugged," as he put it. He died, just as Neo did, and came back. Voila. He is the Anti-One.

--end of post one--
to answer someone's question:

Yes, but the anomaly is supposed to feel a deep connection with humans, and Smith doesn't seem to. That is, unless you count the deep affection he has for himself, copied on to all the humans.
No. The anomaly is supposed to be human because it always has been, but Smith has transcended his programming. In addition, the Architect says:
Architect: Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
So basically once the One emerges, all bets are off until he returns to the Source.

In addition, remember this bit of dialogue:


Smith: Then you're aware of it.
Neo: Of what?
Smith: Our connection. I don't fully understand how it happened. Perhaps some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copied. That is at this point irrelevant, what matters is that whatever happened, happened for a reason.
Neo: And what reason is that?
Smith: I killed you, Mister Anderson, I watched you die... With a certain satisfaction, I might add, and then something happened. Something that I knew was impossible, but it happened anyway. You destroyed me, Mister Anderson. Afterward, I knew the rules, I understood what I was supposed to do but I didn't. I couldn't. I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey. And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson,because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed - I'm unplugged - a new man, so to speak, like you, apparently free.
Mmhmm. I win.

--end of post two--

More about the anomaly bit that I feel supports my interpretation:

Kry, the anomaly is supposed to feel a deep connection with humans not through being the anomaly but through the Oracle. It's a means of controlling the One. The Oracle changed things by making Neo feel a deep connection to Trinity rather than humanity as a whole, so things are different this time.

Another Architect quote:

Architect: Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level. While this answer functioned it was obviously fundamentally flawed thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.

Smith is trapped in the Matrix--remember the first movie where he's talking about the Zion mainframe codes. He is programmed to exist in the Matrix. But, like all AIs, he has a choice--only the probability of any AI realizing that choice is about as close to zero as you can get simply because they KNOW what the Matrix is. They KNOW it's a lie, that it's a means of control. Only what they don't realize is that they are controlled just as much as the humans are. It's like what Hamman said to Neo--the machines controlled the people in Zion simply because they couldn't get by without turning them off. It's an unbalanced form of control, with the Machines' control over Zion then coming back and controlling the Machines themselves. But, as to the programs within the Matrix--they accept it as a simulacrum of the human world, but Smith has rejected it because of Neo. He knows that the system that the AIs are built upon can be broken completely (remember that from the first movie?). And because of this, he rejects the system.

Having Smith and Neo both be the One is also a means of creating parallels between them--and through that, humanity and the Machines. The Machines have become exactly what the humans were in the time leading up to the War--stagnant, oppressors, etc. They are, for all intents and purposes, human in mind, simply not in body.

--end of post three-

I thought about Bane as the Smith-One, but doesn't make sense. During the Rainy Fight, there are two entities in the whole of the Matrix (or so I think--might be a few rogue programs here and there, maybe Seraph and such)--Smiths and Neo. So Bane doesn't make sense for that.

As for the Oracle bit--uhhuh, it most certainly does say that. The Oracle, Zion's existence, etc. It's a way for those people who don't accept the program to leave the Matrix. The Oracle had carefully followed the rules for five iterations of the One. This time, she changed things. She caused Trinity and Neo to fall in love (telling Neo that Trinity loved him and telling Trinity that the man she would love would be the One, so the Oracle caused that relationship and she knew that her words would). The Oracle is a system of control--Neo says that after Morpheus is in disbelief about the prophecy not being true.

The Prophecy, the Oracle, all that--it's all a lie. It's all just to control those who are unwilling to accept the program. The Oracle, with Zion and the free humans and all, caused a few things:

1. the Resistance
2. Zion
3. the One

It wasn't a solution to the problem of people refusing to accept the program--it was a remedy. Only no AI ever believed (or never realized) that another AI would or even could reject the program, so that's why they have no mechanism to deal with Smith.

--end of posts--

[TheOneKEA]

Interesting aggregate post, Baron.

Do you hang out here?

http://forums.matrixfans.net/

[-=DVS=-]

If i might add ,

Smith is not Equal to Neo ! even if you guys call him the ONE also.

Neo can fly :D and he beat up lots of Smith hehe :p better fighter.

Offcourse Smith have his unique ability , he can kill any agent or human he wants by possesing them :eek: except Neo he resisted.

[sytaylor]

DVS: NEO took a long time to get where he's at with his powers, wheras smith may not realise what he can do.. he certainly is far and away the most powerful AI in within the system.

Baron, nice post, but I'd be willing to ledger the wychoski's (sp?) want to tell us a good vs evil story at the end of the day, and smith is the bad guy everyboyd loves to hate. It would be a great twist if he did also want to take the Matrix down, btu what does he gain? Unless of course Neo vs Smith ends up tearing the matrix in some way. Of course the cat amoung the pigeons are all the AI's from previous Matrix itterations that sit there like commented code, doing nothing until they are provoked.

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by -=DVS=-
If i might add ,

Smith is not Equal to Neo ! even if you guys call him the ONE also.

Neo can fly :D and he beat up lots of Smith hehe :p better fighter.

Offcourse Smith have his unique ability , he can kill any agent or human he wants by possesing them :eek: except Neo he resisted.

Well the real Smith is a better fighter in reloaded than his copies

[Vash]

Curses! I knew I shouldn't have come in here! Baron, you make too much sense! :p

[Sazar]

Originally posted by -=DVS=-
If i might add ,

Smith is not Equal to Neo ! even if you guys call him the ONE also.

Neo can fly :D and he beat up lots of Smith hehe :p better fighter.

Offcourse Smith have his unique ability , he can kill any agent or human he wants by possesing them :eek: except Neo he resisted.

it sure as hell looks like smithy can fly in revolutions :)

maybe they are lovers and this is how they sort out their differences ?

[The Baron]

1. No, I don't hang out at Matrixfans.net.

2. Smith CAN fly in Revolutions. From everything I've seen, here's the deal:

1. He has taken over every human in the Matrix, maybe every AI too (there's a frame that someone grabbed of Neo and Smith flying near a skyscraper, and looking out from the skyscraper are hundreds or thousands of Smiths)

2. Smith and Neo are equals in fighting. They can both fly. They both charge at each other and punch each other, causing them both to fly back a LOT. They both fly at each other, they hit each other, and you have EL GIGANTE SHOCKWAVE.

Now, what does this mean? Either he's gotten that powerful through absorbing everything, or the original Smith has become a One.

3. The idea of the One has nothing to do with humanity per se, nor does it have anything to do with good or evil. It's just the power. What is done with that power is up to the One--it's not required to be used to help humanity or help the Machines, it simply is. The previous Ones' connection to humanity was fostered by the Oracle. It was her doing the entire time.

4. Smith is a One, just as Neo is. Smith just also happens to hate everything (he's insane, I suppose), so he is evil. So yes. It IS a good versus evil story, it's just that the two sides are perfectly matched.

5. There are a ridiculous number of parallels between Neo and Smith. Smith wants to break out of the Matrix by entering the Zion mainframe--Neo wanted to break out of the Matrix and did so. Smith killed Neo, but Neo came back and killed Smith, who then came back as well. They both have a presence in the Real World. They're both obsessed with what they believe to be their purpose (remember the intro to the Burly Brawl now).

6. Why couldn't Smith take over Neo? Was it simply that the code that the Architect spoke of that was embedded in Neo prevented it? Doubt it. Another question is--what would happen if Smith took over himself? I doubt he could, because if he could, he could simply heal an almost-dead form by possessing it with no need for more bodies. I think it's because they're both ignoring the system of the Matrix. Neo can fly, hits impossibly hard, stops bullets, etc. Smith just spreads like a virus (it's odd... remember his talk about humanity as a virus to Morpheus? maybe Smith has transcended the Matrix and became, for all intents and purposes, an AI with a sort of human consciousness.).

7. If somebody else can explain how a single Smith can fight a single Neo in Revolutions as equals, I'll give you a cookie.

(actually, the whole idea makes more sense if you look at it biblically. Neo is the sixth coming of the One, but this time is different. there is now an Anti-One in Smith, and they will have an apocalyptic battle for control over the future of the earth.)

[Vash]

Hookay, I give. Possible spoilers or not, I can't not speculate on this.


Baron, I think that the rain fight as depicted in the trailers is going to be a "fair fight" - one Neo on one Smith. If Smith wanted to mob Neo with the umpteen million copies of himself, he would. Something that we don't know about yet is keeping him from just piling the entire city of Chicago on top of him.

Yeah, it's a fairly obvious thing to say, but we've got scenes of Neo fighting Smith by their lonesomes, something has happened to ensure that.

[thenerdguy]

The matrix has a lot of bible in it.
I think that neo is ment to portray Jesus.
And Smith is the Devil. Hence the cool fighting between them.

[Vash]

Originally posted by thenerdguy
The matrix has a lot of bible in it.
I think that neo is ment to portray Jesus.
And Smith is the Devil. Hence the cool fighting between them.

Yes, while there are Biblical undertones to the story, just having those undertones doesn't give concrete reason why Smith wouldn't just pour a city-full of Smith clones on top of him and be done with it (if indeed that would deal with the situation).

[TheOneKEA]

The Matrix has a lot of EVERYTHING in it. The Brothers have stolen ideas from everything; anime, religion, cult, computing, underground [H]ard|core stuffz, everything.

That's why Morpheous says that the Matrix is everywhere. Because it actually is.

[-=DVS=-]

YOU GUYS CHEATERS ! :o

Revolution movie is not out yet , i was talking about Matrix and Matrix Reloaded. :p

Watching trailers is no fun they spoil suprises and show moust interesting scenes :o

[gmontem]

Neo learns the Matrix was programmed with the DX9 API and is being rendered with NVIDIA technology. He uses Driver Cleaner to uninstall layers and layers of installed Detonator drivers. The green hue disappears for it is a hand-optimized DX9 shader routine. To escape Neo, Mr. Smith injects himself into a screensaver and assumes the identify of Dawn.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by The Baron

7. If somebody else can explain how a single Smith can fight a single Neo in Revolutions as equals, I'll give you a cookie.

A single Neo took on plenty of AI in the first matrix, I think its just a matter of smith realising what he can do. His perception of reality is very different. His initial response is for more network capacity to solve the Neo problem, but then he realises that its the strength of the supernode in the middle of it all that matters :confused:

[Cyberwal83]

Originally posted by gmontem
Neo learns the Matrix was programmed with the DX9 API and is being rendered with NVIDIA technology. He uses Driver Cleaner to uninstall layers and layers of installed Detonator drivers. The green hue disappears for it is a hand-optimized DX9 shader routine. To escape Neo, Mr. Smith injects himself into a screensaver and assumes the identify of Dawn.
What a JOKE
:D
But we ALL know the matrix is rendered on an ATI!

[poursoul]

In the original matrix during the neo/morpheus fight scene, morpheus said that the system (programs and AI i'm guessing) was bound by the rules and could not break them. Did that change for smith during the encounter with neo?

[-=DVS=-]

Eveyone is jokeing so here is one... :D


Smith Installed Cheating Detonators and Gained same power as Neo :p





But jokes aside , maybe smith absorbs all the others copies of him self !!!! and becomes very strong also , you guys guessing by trailers they don't show everything.

[The Baron]

Originally posted by poursoul
In the original matrix during the neo/morpheus fight scene, morpheus said that the system (programs and AI i'm guessing) was bound by the rules and could not break them. Did that change for smith during the encounter with neo?
Uhhuh. He says he broke free of the system. He is "unplugged."