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Esnapizan
10-28-03, 01:52 PM
Hi!

My pc looks like this:

amd athlon xp 1800+
512mb ddr-ram
geforce 2 mx 400 64mb
soundblaster live!
40gb & 17gb hdd
windows xp professional

Well,as you can imagine,with my geforce 2-card i can't play newer games (like Max Payne 2,Halo,Splinter Cell,No One Lives Forever 2,Unreal 2,UT2003,Battlefield 1942,The Angel Of Darkness,Nighfire) on 1024x768 with high or even maximum details.

Now i would like to buy a geforce 4 ti 4200 64mb (by the way:is there a big difference between the geforce 2 mx 400 64mb and the geforce 4 ti 4200 64mb?).

Do you think,with this card i can play newer games on 1024x768 with high or even maximum details?

Will the geforce 4 ti 4200 64mb also be good enough for upcoming games like Half Life 2 & Doom 3 (i know that i can't play those two games with high details,but what about lower details?)?

And one more question about Max Payne 2:

Because the geforce 4 ti 4200 is a directx 8-card,what graphic-effects i'm not able to see in the game?
I heard that the mirror-effects are not possible with the geforce 4 ti-card.
But what about the shadows in the game?

What i mean,will Max Payne 2 look good with the geforce 4 ti?

So,is the geforce 4 ti 4200 64mb a good card for gaming???

I hope you can give me some info.

Thanks a lot in advance!

:)


sorry for my bad english...

LiquidX
10-28-03, 02:16 PM
I dont know if it will be good enough for games like HL2 or future DX.9 games but right now I am able to pay all my games full blast or near it with a 64MB version. It a great card and I dont think you can go wrong but try and get a Ti4600 which you can get at some spots for $30 more.

All these games I personaly have and have played with the card, they run without a hitch all maxed out except BF1942.

**All run great at 1280x1024 except BF1942, Chrome and Halo.
-Unreal Tournament 2003
-Elite Force 2
-Battlefield 1942
-Return to Castle Wolfenstein
-No One Lives Forever 2
-Black Hawk Down
-Raven Shield
-Call of Duty Demo's
-All the Medal of Honors
-Quake III
-Soldier of Fortune 2
-Max Payne
-Halo-its a bitch but it runs outside maps great
-Chrome Demo-just dont max out all the effects

khafan
10-28-03, 02:58 PM
Here is 2 screenshot from maxpayne 2, the first one is from my Ti4200 and second one is snapped from a clip that is availabe at Maxpayne 2 site.
I think the difference is because of lack of PS1.4 in GF4 series.

Ti4200 (http://www.geocities.com/khafansh3/Ti4200.txt)
official snapshot (http://www.geocities.com/khafansh3/PS1.4.txt)

Esnapizan
10-28-03, 03:26 PM
Well,first of all thanx for the quick answers ;)

I'm sure i will buy the geforce 4 ti 4200.

Because the screenshot looks very nice :)

I hope the performance in this game is also nice with the gf4.

What i also would like to know:

Does my computer match with the gf4 ti 4200?

What i mean,is my system fast enough for this card(because of my cpu and ram)?

saturnotaku
10-28-03, 03:32 PM
If you intend to keep this card for a while, I wouldn't buy anything with 64 mb of RAM. 128 mb cards don't cost terribly much more. Consider a Radeon 9600 Pro. It's better than a Ti4600 and has full DirectX 9 support for Half-Life 2, DooM III and future games. The 64 mb Ti4200 costs about US$90, the 9600 can be had for about US$140. Small price difference for a card that has twice as much video memory and has better support for future games. If you'd rather stay in the NVIDIA camp, the GeForce FX 5700 Ultra is proving to be quite a capable card. It's slightly more expensive (about US$200) but again, it will be more future-proof than a Ti4200, especially if you plan on keeping the card for any length of time.

Maverickman
10-28-03, 04:36 PM
The Ti 4200 is still a great card for today's games, but for a little more money you can do a lot better. You might want to pick up a 9600 PRO or GeForce FX 5700 Ultra. Those are DX 9.0 cards. You can even get a Ti 4600 for just a little more than that Ti 4200. If your budget is real limited, you can still be happy with a Ti 4200.

Rogozhin
10-28-03, 06:02 PM
If you want AA+AF don't get the g4-I've run several ti4400s and they just can't cut the af aa mustard.

I'd say go with a 9600PRO or a 9700nonpro (if you can find one).

rogo

ChrisW
10-28-03, 06:07 PM
How about the 64MB 9500 non-pro? It can be soft modded to a 64MB 9500 Pro (all eight pipelines) which should be much faster than the 64MB 4200. And you can get it brand new at Newegg shipped for $99 and you will get a full DirectX 9 card.

SocketAzzWipe
10-29-03, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by khafan
Here is 2 screenshot from maxpayne 2, the first one is from my Ti4200 and second one is snapped from a clip that is availabe at Maxpayne 2 site.
I think the difference is because of lack of PS1.4 in GF4 series.

Ti4200 (http://www.geocities.com/khafansh3/Ti4200.txt)
official snapshot (http://www.geocities.com/khafansh3/PS1.4.txt)

Heh...I personally like the non-glowy natural skin texture on the Ti4200 screenshot over that other oily crap.

john19055
10-29-03, 01:53 AM
I think if I were you and want to play the games you listed with full details I would spend another $50 and get a R9600pro for future DX9 games and it has 128mb of ram,a FX5700ultra would be even better but that would be more than a $100 more.But if that is what your budget is ,you will see a big difference with a TI4200 from a G.F.2 and you will be able to play Maxpayne2 just fine,just not with all the goodies turned on.

Edge
10-29-03, 02:23 AM
For running at 1024x768, full details, no AA/Anisotropic, yes, it will probably last for at least a while longer. However, adding AA or Anisotropic would bring framerates down quite a bit (though I always play with 2xAA/lvl2 aniso), so if you're planning on using either you might want to spend a little extra to get a better card. Also, 64 megs might become a bit obsolite, since games like Doom 3 and probably Half-life 2 will use over 80 megs of textures.

Still, a decent card if you can get it for cheap. If you get lucky, it'll give you a good overclock like mine.

bkswaney
10-29-03, 03:23 AM
Get a 9600Pro. DO NOT GET A 4200.

mikechai
10-29-03, 03:47 AM
The GF4 Ti4200 64MB or 128MB is a great card.
But if you are going to buy a new card now, I won't recommend it over a Radeon 9600 pro or FX5700.

bkswaney
10-29-03, 06:01 AM
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33718923

Above is a link to a 9600Pro for 135. :)

Esnapizan
10-29-03, 07:48 AM
Well,i will buy the geforce 4 ti 4200.

Because i don't have so much money and i think the gf4 ti is a good card.

Sorry,but i'm not an ati-fan...

I like nVidia-cards.

Well,thanx anyway to all of you for your great help! :)

greatcu1
10-29-03, 09:11 AM
I had only $100 to spend recently to upgrade my GF3...not enough to get a 5700 Ultra or 9600 Pro...then on ebay I found a guy selling new 4600's for $75. You could probably find the same price for one if you look hard enough. It's a huge upgrade from the GF3...I can only imagine how much a boost it would be from a GF2.

BTW, for anyone looking to get a good deal on a higher-end card, this same seller is currently selling 5900 ultras for $335 + $15 shipping.

ChrisRay
10-29-03, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by SocketAzzWipe
Heh...I personally like the non-glowy natural skin texture on the Ti4200 screenshot over that other oily crap.


Ya Overusing Shaders really does get annoying. I personally dont like the current direction devs are taking which use shaders for practically everything.

cvearl
10-29-03, 11:00 AM
G4-Ti4200?! How cheap could it be compared to an OEM 9600 Pro or 9600XT. Buddy. I was afraid to change my G4Ti-4200 for an ATI card. My fears were unfounded. I play alot of games. Too many in fact. The 9700 Pro I have is fantastic compared to my old G4-Ti4200. The G4 was a great card to be sure, but the drivers have not posed a problem for me for at least the last 6 months. I am not kidding. Do not let your predjudice get in the way of making the right decision. You will get really really crappy framerates in any newer games compared to that of a 9600 Pro or TX. Give this some thought. Save up a few more dollars if you have to! But don't buy a G4Ti4200 unless it is well under $100!!!!!

But let me clarify!

If this was a G4Ti4200 vs. Radeon 8500 (as both are simular price), then I would go for a G4 every day of the week. It's faster and looks just as good! But for sure if you can find a 9600 Pro or 9500 Pro or 9600XT within $30-$40 the price of the G4Ti4200, you'd be shooting yourself in the leg! You will live to regret it 6 months from now and no one will give you more than $30 for the G4 down the road. Spend Wisely!

Charles.

Creizai
10-30-03, 08:30 AM
My geforce 4 ti 4600 128MB Version

Runs HL2 With ease the FPS are low but something valve doesn't tell you rofl

The game runs smoooooooooth as **** with my card.

Get it and play HL2 with ease ...... or believe the hype and get a 9600 Pro :)

cvearl
10-30-03, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Creizai
My geforce 4 ti 4600 128MB Version

Runs HL2 With ease the FPS are low but something valve doesn't tell you rofl

The game runs smoooooooooth as **** with my card.

Get it and play HL2 with ease ...... or believe the hype and get a 9600 Pro :)

Don't forget though that you are playing with DX8 shaders and features. Screenies will be comming to point out the differences of HL2 in DX8 mode and HL2 in DX9 mode. This is not about speed. This is about IQ+speed. I have no doubt that a Ti4600 can run HL2 fine.

Can you do us a favor then and use FRAPS.EXE to log your frame rates. You can download it from the WEB. Run FRAPS in log mode and run around on one of the maps and tell us the resuts from the log as well as the res, color bit, and any details settings in game.

Oh. And as for the HYPE as you put it, the HYPE was not about being able to run the game with playable framerates but being able to play the game with playable framerates with DX9 features. Since the FX line is a DX9 part, the game attempts to run in DX9 mode and the frame rates are REALLY bad considering the cards that are SUPPOSED to run it. Whereas G4Ti series of cards are DX8 and will run in that mode! And likely run at playable frame rates. G4Ti is still a fast DX8 card! A person with an FX can chose to run Half Life 2 in DX8 mode and get the same if not better framerates than your G4 by the way. The point is that FX's are DX9 cards and they are not running DX9 code well. That's the HYPE you are refering to. It has nothing to do with G4 cards.

BTW - In DX9 mode in Half Life 2, the Radeon 9600 Pro is faster than a Geforce FX 5900 Ultra. That is not to say the new nVidia driver with the new DX9 compialer system to re-route DX9 code to something FX cards can run fast will change this picture. Could make quite a difference but the jury is still out on that one. This info was confirmed by John Carmack and Tim Sweeny.

Charles.