View Full Version : This truly odd - having spoken of animee and DBZ edits before
Has anyone noticed this before? It is a known phenominon that especially in the beginning, many episodes were condenced, edited out (for instance English episode 1 contains only a few minutes of Japanese episode one, but leaves most of it out for Japanese episode 2) and so the episode numbering gets off. English dub has only like 276 episodes maximum or so, whereas Japanese original has over 300...
However, with FUNimation's dub, there are some episodes in the English numbering itself, not the Japanese, that are totally missing on their own DVDs... I noticed this while buying their DVD recordings of this. Among the DVDs I have are the one's with episodes 106-108
http://www.zstore.com/Search.bok?category=DragonballZ%3ADVD%3ATrunks+Sag a
and I just bought today the one with episodes 111-114
http://www.zstore.com/Search.bok?category=DragonballZ%3ADVD%3AAndroid+Sa ga
BTW, I didn't order it from them, but bought from Suncoast. I only include their own listings on FUNi's own official website for this, as it demonstrates what I noticed without a reader having to look in a video store to see.
You will notice from here, that the saga that starts with episodes 111-114 starts immediately after the saga that ends with episodes 106-108. Furthermore, on their page one can select these from, it shows the episodes ending at 110 not 108. Click the link, and you get to the first page I sited
http://www.zstore.com/Page.bok?template=dragonballz_dvd
Trunks Saga
Episodes 103-110
Android Saga
Episodes 111-124
So what happened to episodes 109 and 110 from the English dub's own numbering itself? It's bad enough they cut so much of the original out in the dub, but shouldn't the unedited English + Japanese original subtitled DVDs have at least all the episodes in that were in the English dub without jumping 2 numbes ahead? Anyone know the deal here?
I noticed that the DVD numbering is continuous thru the others, and only on the Trunks Saga does it skip. Notice that the Trunks Saga ends with DVD 34 and the Android Saga starts with DVD 36. So if you can find DVD 35, you'll get the missing episodes. The two episodes are: Episode 109: Z Warriors Prepare, and Episode 110: Goku's Ordeal. I remember seeing those episodes, so it's probably just a mistake on the website for omitting it.
Check out this (http://www.dbzn.net/epreviews/index.shtml) for more info.
It still leaves the question of what they did with the missing episodes there, and now knowing there are some... Practically every DVD I've seen has 3-4 episodes a piece, so having only 2 between does seem odd. Unless there's so much other content on the DVDs they couldn't fit a third episode... This is especially what gets me wondering (and yes you're right, there is a missing number too), the episodes missing is less then the total number of episodes on all the other DVD's I've seen, and I haven't seen it anywhere, so it isn't exactly equal to the typical episode DVD...
I could perhaps send an email off to FUNimation to ask them what happened to it, and see what they say or head off to FUNi's website specifically. This is however their own official store for this as far as I know, and I haven't seen these 2 missing DVD's in video stores either. Then again the video stores have mostly the Majin Buu and Babadi sagas now (as they're the most recently released), as well as movie 5 (which I got when it first came out from pre-order). Hmm, perhaps I will ask FUNi then presenting them with the episode list you mentioned, and see what they say.
The Baron
09-21-02, 01:02 AM
I believe one of those is essentially a hentai episode (like training at a gym while one of the characters just stares in the women's aerobics class or showers or something like that).. but the other I'm not sure about.
I remember there was a promotion when you could get those episodes from Burger King. Seriously. Maybe that's it.
And yet even if it is the case, they specifically say on the DVDs
Includes 2 versions
English Uncut Version
& Original Japanese Version
Subtitled in English
Emphasis added It's bad enough they so highly edit and change the dub as it is...looking at the so-called "uncut" English version, and comparing it to the Japanese version sub-titled veries in more then just minor ways on every episode I've watched them both. But to cut out even episodes from the English dub (which was already largely changed)... That's a bit over the top IMO... They want to leave things out on Cartoon Network, OK... But I've been paying for what is supposed to be by their own labeling uncut English versions with the Japanese original on them...
BTW, the previews on those 2 episodes are given from the page exar linked too
109
http://www.dbzn.net/epreviews/episode109.shtml
110
http://www.dbzn.net/epreviews/episode110.shtml
Both these previews mention more scenes then that. In any case, when they label a product as uncut, whatever the case is, they should leave it up to the viewer to decide form themselves, rather then leave them with episodes (in the already altered dub) cut out. I'll see what they say before drawing a conclusion that this is what they're doing however. I'll be open enough to see what they say...
If this does turn out to be the case, I will probably have a number of things to say, including complaints that the recently released Dragonball DVD set (episodes 1-13) don't include any sub-titled Japanese versions, and inquire as to the first 53 episodes and getting uncut (no "sent to another dimention") DVDs that actually have the Japanese originals too. The latter might still be liscenced to Pioneer, but the 13 episode Dragonball DVD set was just released by FUNi themselves, recently...
:confused: At least what I whatched at Cartoon Network is like this:
-Vegeta Saga 1-35
-Freeza Saga 36-109
-Garlic Jr Saga 110-115
-Cell Saga 116- 194
-Celestial Tournament 195-199
-Boo Saga: 200-291
And they made 291 eps of DBZ in Japan, so I don't know what you're talking about... :confused:
No, there were more episodes in the original Japanese, and there was a lot of cuts, especially during the first 53 episodes when it was originally shown on network TV for a season.
English episode 1 contains only like 4 minutes of Japanese Episode 1 and the rest from Japanese episode 2. In the Japanese original, Gohan is also introduced out in the wilderness, not as he's first introduced in the English dub. They show more of him by himself at first and take the time to introduce the char to the audience.
Some of the sites such as Planet Namek is down, but this site still seems up. Just take a look here
http://dbzuncensored.dbzoa.net/series/saiyajinsagamenu.html
for the Saiya-Jin saga. Here's indication about the first episode
http://dbzuncensored.dbzoa.net/series/ep001.html
and now the second Japanese and still first English dub
By the time one hit English 26, it was Japanese 35.
The condencing episodes continued in the Freeza saga
http://dbzuncensored.dbzoa.net/series/freezasagamenu.html
though at least being off network television and onto a cable network, there wasn't all the "other dimention" and HFIL for Hell jazz. There were other alterations. Looking at the English Uncut and comparing it to both what is seen on Cartoon Network (there are differences) and further to the Japanese originals subed (from FUNi's own CDs) bares out these sorts of edits too...
Down in this episode, there was another difference I noticed not mentioned here
http://dbzuncensored.dbzoa.net/series/ep101.html
When Son Goku was speaking with King Kia (as he's called in the dub), in the original his dialogue in getting the wish changed was very different. In the Japanese original he was more eager to have this fight, and told King Kia "do not take this from me, or I will never forgive you..." The entire demeanor and intent was rather different...
And that's on top of the names being rather different. For instance Vegeta is really Begeta, as either there is no v sound in the Japanese language, or, well I'll tell you below... There is no such letter as L in the Japanese language either (r is pronounced as a cross between English L and R) or the Japanese professor I'm currently learning Japanese from doesn't know her own mother tongue. (Yes she immagrated to the United States from Japan sometime back...) I've also had a Japanese foreign exchange student tell me about some of the changes and how she can't watched dubbed animee without laughing...
However, if Cartoon Network showed episodes 109-110, that sort of rules out the DVD isn't there because it was Hentai, as well Cartoon Network does have it's censors (the DVDs are labeled uncut). I sent an email to FUNi, I'll see what they say. It's still weekend though, so no one would be in the office...
I never heard of these hentai episodes. Well, I never watched the English version anyway. The 1st episode is exactly like in the Japanese version as is the site you indicated, except for the joke about master kame and bulma, which wasn't cut, but dubed differently to look like some random stupid thing.
I'm not saying it was some kind of Hentai episode. =SSC=The Baron suggested. Until I actually can see the episodes, I would reserve judgement. Until I actually see them, I would also be at a bit of a disadvantage as I only have the perhaps conflicting words of others to base anything off of. The English dub was actually my first introduction however, and after time I learned some of what they did. I still don't get what's up with having Kiririn say a Christian prayer (when he's arguably a Buddhist monk), having Picalo quote a verse from the Christian Bible, or things like that. It just seemed out of place, and even some Christian viewers have commented in like before.
Some of the dialogue changes which leave me with a different impression of the characters I could say a bit on too... This comment he makes from episode 3 also seems to fit.
http://dbzuncensored.dbzoa.net/series/ep006.html
And it's not just these two cuts that have the subtle effect of making the viewer feel much less sympathy for Gohan in the English version. Throughout these episodes, Masako Nozawa's performance of Gohan elicits a LOT more pity than Saffron Henderson's. You really feel for the guy, he cries a lot more about the whole situation, and seems so much more helpless. Saffron's "tough kid" performance, as well as the snippets here and there, make him seem less human somehow...
In the episode I mentioned above (and the 3 that followed) which is on one DVD, it would perhaps be fitting to say something of Goku's humanity wasn't there, and when I went back and saw the Japanese subbed for those 4 the actions that transpired on Namek there seemed a bit more comprehensable, whereas looking at the dub, hmm I'm not sure how I should sum up what I thought while watching it...even before having seen it subed, but also after...
What I remember of when they went back and showed the re-runs for the beginning of the Saiya-Jin saga (after they broke off till fall to continue showing the Majin Buu saga) was that Gohan didn't seem to care about his father's death (changed to "sent to another dimention") at all. Showing the concern he has for his father latter on (on Namek for instance) and his reaction when he was in Captain Ginu's body, his reaction (or more accurately lack thereof) does seem out of character.
Originally posted by Feanor
However, if Cartoon Network showed episodes 109-110, that sort of rules out the DVD isn't there because it was Hentai, as well Cartoon Network does have it's censors (the DVDs are labeled uncut). I sent an email to FUNi, I'll see what they say. It's still weekend though, so no one would be in the office... Well, if you haven't seen them, you aren't missing much. Hopefully the uncut episodes have some substance in them, because they were two of the worst episodes I've seen. It's nice to have a few episodes that aren't based on a battle, or the end of the world, but they could have found something more relavent than random training scenes, half an episode of flashbacks, and Goku and Piccolo getting drivers licenses.
Originally posted by exar
Well, if you haven't seen them, you aren't missing much. Hopefully the uncut episodes have some substance in them, because they were two of the worst episodes I've seen. It's nice to have a few episodes that aren't based on a battle, or the end of the world, but they could have found something more relavent than random training scenes, half an episode of flashbacks, and Goku and Piccolo getting drivers licenses.
The episode in which Piccolo and Goku are trying to get a driver's license is during the period they are training to fight the androids. And this is the funniest episode IMHO :) .
I think the "hentai" episode is the one kuririn introduces his girlfriend to everybody. This episode is not even malicious, although maron is the hottest character in all DB series because she is using a VERY tight swimsuit :) , which shows pretty well her big boobs (even better than Bulma's ) and her great 'seat' :D .
Originally posted by exar
Well, if you haven't seen them, you aren't missing much. Hopefully the uncut episodes have some substance in them, because they were two of the worst episodes I've seen. It's nice to have a few episodes that aren't based on a battle, or the end of the world, but they could have found something more relavent than random training scenes, half an episode of flashbacks, and Goku and Piccolo getting drivers licenses.
I also do not see what was meant by Hentai episode. I looked at one of the previously missing episodes subed so far, but not the other, both dubbed though...
Anyway, I went into Sam Goody today, and looked to see what episodes they currently have. Wasn't necessarily going to buy any more today (given I got a DVD yesterday), but they do sell fast enough one can't always count on which one's will be in stock except the most recently released episodes.
As it turned out, I ended up looking at the back of this DVD I own (which normally I would not, but that's another matter, and too my surprise, the one in the store had episode 110 on it. It also had 5 episodes instead of 3.
Now to be clear here, the packaging is almost identical. There is no indication whatsoever on the DVD or it's packaging to indicate they are different. The only difference is the episode list and the size font used for the sub-title along as the text indicating "Includes 2 versions...", a slight tint difference in the shade of yellow that Dragon part of the title shows up, as well as the font colors for the episode list. The DVD inside looks exactly identical except for the different copyright date. Unless one knows that there are 2 different DVDs packaged and indicated as the same, one could end up paying full price now for the 3 ep DVD and well...
I'm guessing from copyrights the 5 episode DVD is newer though their official Z-Store only shows the 3 episode DVD. The prices are identical for both (FUNi's store hasn't replaced it or discounted the older one with fewer eps). Also as there is no announcement, no indication on the DVD to mention there are more episodes on it or anything, I guess FUNi is slipping those episodes on without announcement or indication they weren't there before. People who bought this previously, well...so I found out today.
I picked up the newer one today, and guess it's sell the older one on Ebay or something, though given it has 2 fewer episodes what is fair is the question. Not only is it used, but I couldn't see charging as much for a DVD that has fewer episodes then one could go out and buy anyway.
If anyone else is out buying any of these, be aware before plopping the money down. There are 2 different DVDs for this one being sold currently, and well...
In the episodes, there is one spot (on the new one) in each episode where they have a slight interuption. Goku and Gohan pop up like twice (though it isn't part of the show). In looking in one place on an episode on both, none of the actual episode seems to be missing (wasn't a noticeable cut between the 2 at least on dub, I can check sub latter).
Got this reply today
We do not have a release date at this point, but please continue to check
the Zstore for updated release dates.
Especially odd considering they now have all 5 episodes on 1 DVD and this is being sold in retail brick and morter stores. Release date for what? A 2 ep DVD, or the one that was already selling in Sam Goody, hmm...
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