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Hicks
11-09-03, 11:30 AM
My current sistem is:
T-bred 2400+, 512MB Samsung, Nforce2 board.
I am using integrated grafics on the board so I have GF4MX. I am looking to buy a newer graphic card. As my budget is a bit low I have theese options: 1) Gainward "gs" TI4200 VIVO, or 2) MSI FX5600 VIVO for 30$ more. (forgot to mention that I need VIVO). I dont need to play games in higher resolutions or with AA turned on, so I would be satisfied with 1024*768. My question is: is FX5600 better option for new-comming games? It would seem that if the new games like HL2 and STALKER and so... would not be even playable with FX5600 and that graphics should be turned down to dx8 to get normal framerates. If I do that ill just get TI4200 graphics (dx8). In that case would TI have better framerates than FX5600, and make a better choice?

Sorry for the long text but I cannot decide what to do, so I need your experience with these cards.
TIA, Hicks.

ChrisRay
11-09-03, 11:40 AM
The question at hand is, "Do you intend to use AA/AF?" If the answer is yes. Then a Geforce FX 5600 is the card for you,

If not, the TI 4200 is the card for you.

FX 5600 has Pixel Shader 1.4 and crappy Pixel Shader 2.0 Support. But Vertex Shader 2.0 doesnt hurt either.

Ruined
11-09-03, 02:20 PM
Go with the FX5600. Better 2D, faster with AA/AF and works with DX9. Slower for DX8 games but not by much... So better overall IMO.

sandeep
11-09-03, 02:49 PM
Hi dude, just to let you know that my friend has Ti 4200 128Megs VIVO ASMART and it plays HALO fine with the lowest resolution and highest in game setting. NO AF/AA.

If someone here knows if HALO is playable on FX 5600 then to sum up, FX 5600 would be a better way to go. Because HALO should give you some indication about the future of yoru cards atleast. BUT THEN again, these days waiting for some time and being able to buy FX 5700/ATI 9600 would be a wiser idea cos in the end you do not want your MONEY TO BE DRAINED ON SOMETHING that can only last for next 3 months which will be the case for TI and FX 5600.

Patience is a Virtue.

My Advice is just wait for 3 months and buy FX 5700 when prices go down. Or try getting a second hand FX 5700 now.

On the other hand, if you want to play current games and purchase another card in the next 4 months for which you can save then I should recommend you Fx 5600 only if someone answers the above question with HALO and FX 5600.

Cheers Mate

The Baron
11-09-03, 02:55 PM
Few questions.

1. What are the clocks on the 5600? It's not an Ultra, but what is it exactly? If you can get a nice overclock, that's the way to go.

2. Is it a 64MB or a 128MB Ti4200?

ChrisRay
11-09-03, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by The Baron
Few questions.

1. What are the clocks on the 5600? It's not an Ultra, but what is it exactly? If you can get a nice overclock, that's the way to go.

2. Is it a 64MB or a 128MB Ti4200?

I am pretty sure the X 5600 mem speed is 550 mhz.. so 8.8 Gigs of bandwith. oddly enough thats more bandwith than a Ti4 200.

Ruined
11-09-03, 06:37 PM
That's another thing, make sure the FX5600 non-ultra you get has 550mhz memory - the 128mb models do, but a lot of the 256mb models have slower memory.

Maverickman
11-09-03, 07:25 PM
I'd go with the Ti 4200. It'll run today's games a lot faster than a 5600 non-Ultra. If you're interested in playing Half-Life 2, I'd suggest getting a Radeon 9600 Pro. You can get one for about $150, and you'll be all set for DX 9 games. The 9600 Pro will beat the crap out of a 5600 Ultra.

micronX
11-09-03, 09:06 PM
Beyond 3D's 5700U preview included a 5600U and a Ti4200. It's a good read and it demonstrates just how great the humble Ti4200 still is...

http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/nv36/chart/image016.gif

john19055
11-10-03, 01:24 AM
If the 5600 is not an ultra I would go with the TI4200 since it is going to be faster in nearly all games when not useing FSAA and aniso.

Hicks
11-10-03, 02:01 AM
Well, the cards are both 128bit. the FX has 550MHz mem speed (not Ultra), and has 8.88GB/s as apposed to TI which has 8.64GB/s and 540MHz mem speed. Both cards are overclockable, only the the FX I think is better for clocking becouse TI is already GS (golden sample-higher clock by default). Also the FX has better cooling and much more bundled software. As far as R9600Pro is conserned, I cant find any with VIVO, which is a must for me. I could wait for 3 months but i dont think the prices would go so much down-maybe I could buy 5600Ultra then. (Currently the prices in my country - FX6500 (170$) and FX5600U (300$) so I guess the difference is obvious, and who know when the 5700Ultra will be buyable to me.
Yes, one day I would like to play HL2 and dx9 games, but it does not matter to me if I loose some quality (resolution or AA/AF). Also I would not mind if I could play these games in dx8 mode if they would be playable (30fps min) so the question is will the dx9 games be more playable on FX5600 or TI4200.
TIA for all responses.
Hicks.

aapo
11-10-03, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by Hicks
As far as R9600Pro is conserned, I cant find any with VIVO, which is a must for me.

The reason there's no VIVO R9600pro is they are called "AIW R9600pro" (All-In-Wonder), not "VIVO R9600pro". AFAIK there's an AIW version of almost all ATi boards above R7000. I have no idea about the video in quality on ATi boards, but video out quality is excellent in my Hercules R9000pro. I was surprised to find out it has as good video out quality as my Matrox G400. The 2d image quality in monitor output is also almost as good as in G400 - lot better than in any nVidia card I've ever seen.

Gator
11-10-03, 08:31 AM
GF4 TI4200 is more powerful overall than a FX5600 with the exception of 3dmark2k3 (who cares). When it comes to FX cards, I wouldn't recommend anything lower than a FX5700, or maybe a FX5600Ultra rev2.0

Hicks
11-10-03, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by aapo
The reason there's no VIVO R9600pro is they are called "AIW R9600pro" (All-In-Wonder), not "VIVO R9600pro".

Well, I know about AIW-s but they are much to expensive for me. Also there actualy are some VIVO radeon cards but lesser power (9200 I think).
Oh yeah, Why "Who cares" about 3dmark2003 ?? Isnīt it supposed to tell approximately how the dx9 games are gonna work on the cards? For instance TI4200 would get about 11600 (3dmark 2001) as apposed to FX (10600), but in 3dmark2003 TI would get 1600 and FX5600 about 2700. So judgeing by the scores the FX would make a better choice would not it?

B&R
11-10-03, 01:14 PM
Out of ur options 5600 i guess.

The Baron
11-10-03, 02:28 PM
Ah, but you see, the performance delta between the FX and the Ti4200 in 3DM03 is ENTIRELY due to the fact that the FX can run Test 4 whereas the Ti4200 cannot. Most games that come out soon will have a DX8 option anyway, and it will probably perform better than a 5600 non-Ultra.

But I don't really know. Flip a coin or something. :p

jAkUp
11-10-03, 02:39 PM
why not a 9600 pro??? much better card.

The Baron
11-10-03, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by jAkUp
why not a 9600 pro??? much better card.
No VIVO. Too expensive.

TheTaz
11-10-03, 02:41 PM
Well...

A friend of mine has a 5600U (Non-Flip Chip) and it really sucks. My Geforce 3 Ti500 was doing better in the same games. Now this was during the older 43.xx drivers... he ran anything newer it was crashing like a mofo to boot. He now runs the 52.16's, and has way better performance and stability. However... He noticed the IQ difference right off (And I never clued him in to the Brillinnear stuff).

That said... if you don't care about IQ... the 5600U would prolly be a little faster with the 52.16's. But since your talking non-ultra... I'd prolly go with the Ti4200.

/shrug

Taz

Hicks
11-11-03, 05:51 AM
OK guys, I think Ill buy the TI4200. I have asked this question in separate post but does anyone know if the fan for cooling on the card is loud? I dont want to buy a loud card as I managed to get my computer very silent recently. (Gainward GeForce4 PackPack! Ultra/650XP Golden Sample)

TIA, Hicks.

Gator
11-11-03, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Hicks
OK guys, I think Ill buy the TI4200. I have asked this question in separate post but does anyone know if the fan for cooling on the card is loud? I dont want to buy a loud card as I managed to get my computer very silent recently. (Gainward GeForce4 PackPack! Ultra/650XP Golden Sample)

TIA, Hicks.

the fan on a TI4200? Nah, most fo them are not loud at all.And I have a Gainward GeForce4 PackPack! Ultra/700XP Golden Sample (same card as yours but the TI4400 version) and it's pretty quiet

Hicks
11-11-03, 10:28 AM
Ok guys. Thank You all very much for help:)

Hicks