nVnews attitude adjustment?

[digitalwanderer]

It was brought up over on B3D over the non-posting of Uttar's ULE here, is nVnews once again starting to try and get on nVidia's good side?

I honestly don't see any other reason for not posting Uttar's piece. It was solid and informative. :(

[Sazar]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
It was brought up over on B3D over the non-posting of Uttar's ULE here, is nVnews once again starting to try and get on nVidia's good side?

I honestly don't see any other reason for not posting Uttar's piece. It was solid and informative. :(

I will post what I did over there..

uttar's was an opinion piece... why is it imperitive that it should have been posted on the front page here ?

it ticked me off that uttar decided to take it upon himself to take potshots at members here for non-posting of the article...

so what if it's not on the front page ? I dont think nvnews is in the business of sensationalism... b3d for sure has not posted it... heck even r3d has not posted it... perhaps you should take issue with r3d and get them to change their anti-ati attitude as well ?

btw about the article... there are holes in it... uttar is going on hearsay as he himself has admitted... his article is based on 'sources' not from what he himself knows... he has already revised his article a couple of times... ergo why I call it an opinion piece...

its a good read but I fail to see why it should be on the front page digi ? do you have some vested interest in this ?

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Sazar
its a good read but I fail to see why it should be on the front page digi ? do you have some vested interest in this ?
No vested interest other than my interest in seeing nVnews staying the best source of nVidia information around...and I feel by not posting up that editorial it is failing to do so.

nVnews has posted up lots of stories based on Uttar's info before, but now for his final article which is his personal view of how nVidia was/is doing you seem to find it "hearsay" and "gossip"?

Yeah, I DO see a double-standard there...and I don't like it. :(

[Sazar]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
No vested interest other than my interest in seeing nVnews staying the best source of nVidia information around...and I feel by not posting up that editorial it is failing to do so.

nVnews has posted up lots of stories based on Uttar's info before, but now for his final article which is his personal view of how nVidia was/is doing you seem to find it "hearsay" and "gossip"?

Yeah, I DO see a double-standard there...and I don't like it. :(

digi I think nvnews does an excellent job of posting news... both hardware related and otherwise...

they have also routinely posted rumourwatch links because they are generally good reliability (ie follow along expected lines) and thats great...

these are rumours based on things coming to the market or otherwise...

you don't seem to differentiate THAT from an opinion piece though which i find odd...

btw I am not speaking on behalf of nvnews... its just IMO you are making this a bigger issue than it need be...

r3d has not posted it (least till last I checked)... have you posted there and let the newsposters know they are hypocrits or have double-standards yet ?

I still fail to see a reason to put nvnews on the spot for this though... just because they didn't do something YOU thought they should do ?

[digitalwanderer]

I'm not putting anyone on the spot and I'm not passing judgement, I'm asking.

Is there a problem with me politely asking?

[volt]

It's not really like that Sazar. Uttar often posted his personal views and those got linked left and right. Whenever Uttar posted something interesting it got linked. Actually anything major happening on NFI was posted.

I fail to understand why wasn't his last work linked.

[vampireuk]

I fail to see how a few positive words and a article not being posted means we are heading in another direction. Heaven forbid we don't slam NVIDIA at every oppurtunity and slit our wrists in depression when we report something bad about ATI.

:banghead:

[Sazar]

Originally posted by vampireuk
I fail to see how a few positive words and a article not being posted means we are heading in another direction. Heaven forbid we don't slam NVIDIA at every oppurtunity and slit our wrists in depression when we report something bad about ATI.

:banghead:

lol...

:rofl slitting wrist may be a little OTT heh... but entertaining nonetheless...

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by vampireuk
I fail to see how a few positive words and a article not being posted means we are heading in another direction. Heaven forbid we don't slam NVIDIA at every oppurtunity and slit our wrists in depression when we report something bad about ATI.

:banghead:
Hey, it's been pointed out to me that this place is starting to really show a pro-nVidia bias so I'm asking about it....problem?

[Sazar]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Hey, it's been pointed out to me that this place is starting to really show a pro-nVidia bias so I'm asking about it....problem?

it has ?

:confused:

tbh thats why I got a little miffed @ reading the stuff on b3d and then here...

IMO nvnews has been extremely fair and balanced in its reporting of topics and events in the 3d world (sry fox news but you did lose the court case :D )

where is the bias ?

[vampireuk]

It is when it's coming from people who would no doubt throw a fit if perfect angelic ATI ever got shown in a bad light.

Oh wait!....

[Sazar]

Originally posted by vampireuk
It is when it's coming from people who would no doubt throw a fit if perfect angelic ATI ever got shown in a bad light.

Oh wait!....

:angel:

now thats a low blow... lol...

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by vampireuk
It is when it's coming from people who would no doubt throw a fit if perfect angelic ATI ever got shown in a bad light.

Oh wait!....
Now which one of us is being rude about this? :rolleyes:

Could you please answer the question of if there has been a policy change or not Baron rather than mocking me? :(

[ragejg]

No.

There is no policy change.

I'll reiterate verbatim what I posted there regarding this issue:

"Look, so maybe this was a little about timing, sentiment, and the realization that a lot of the editorial contains facts that have been rehashed repeatedly...

Nothing really against the article, but I get the "I've heard it all before" feeling from it...

Please realize that the nvnews community went throught some very hard times from january until well into the nv35's lifespan... the community was inundated with immature bashers and bringers of FUD and general crapola... the past couple months has seen a turnaround in the community's standing behind nvidia and their products, and that's to be commended (the company and the site)... i don't think I'm blowing thigs out of proportion when I say that the nvnews forums were hell for a while... full of nv-bashers, FUD spreaders, naysayers, undermedicated fanboys and n00b consumers looking for someone to yell at...


It gets old...

I certainly feel that nv has made some mistakes, but I don't make a forum career out of bashing one brand or another.

And Uttar, I don't really feel that you were bashing.. but just bringing up points that have been around the block a few times already... Mike's patience has run out on that stuff, and understandably so... he has his own fish to fry... "


.... mmmkay?

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by ragejg
No.

There is no policy change.

I'll reiterate verbatim what I posted there regarding this issue:

"Look, so maybe this was a little about timing, sentiment, and the realization that a lot of the editorial contains facts that have been rehashed repeatedly...

Nothing really against the article, but I get the "I've heard it all before" feeling from it...

Please realize that the nvnews community went throught some very hard times from january until well into the nv35's lifespan... the community was inundated with immature bashers and bringers of FUD and general crapola... the past couple months has seen a turnaround in the community's standing behind nvidia and their products, and that's to be commended (the company and the site)... i don't think I'm blowing thigs out of proportion when I say that the nvnews forums were hell for a while... full of nv-bashers, FUD spreaders, naysayers, undermedicated fanboys and n00b consumers looking for someone to yell at...


It gets old...

I certainly feel that nv has made some mistakes, but I don't make a forum career out of bashing one brand or another.

And Uttar, I don't really feel that you were bashing.. but just bringing up points that have been around the block a few times already... Mike's patience has run out on that stuff, and understandably so... he has his own fish to fry... "


.... mmmkay?
I said it there and I'll say it here, :shock:

Flabbergasting. :eek:

[The Baron]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Hey, it's been pointed out to me that this place is starting to really show a pro-nVidia bias so I'm asking about it....problem?
Dig, why don't you just ask me or Mike or SOMEBODY in private rather than trying to start a flame war? Because that's all you're trying to do.

And yes, I'm more than a tad pissed.

[ragejg]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
I said it there and I'll say it here, :shock:

Flabbergasting. :eek:

What's so flabbergasting?

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Now which one of us is being rude about this? :rolleyes:

Could you please answer the question of if there has been a policy change or not Baron rather than mocking me? :(

That comment wasn't aimed at you:p

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by ragejg
What's so flabbergasting?
Originally posted by ragejg
the past couple months has seen a turnaround in the community's standing behind nvidia and their products, and that's to be commended (the company and the site)...

[ragejg]

meh... please...

:-l

Sorry, I'm not going to bash the NV35 release.

I'm not going to bash the NV36 release.

I applaud NV's efforts in the FW 52.16's.

I'm really excited about the impact the 5700 non ultra is going to have on filling out the mainstream segment properly...

I am impressed with the oveclockability of NV's current generation cards.

I personally like NV's AA quality and the low performance hit on NV35 cards.

...

Much of the community feels this way too... It's a general "better feeling" about things...

I don't understand how my points could be viewed as flabberghasting... Because I know I don't stand alone in my opinion on this.

[ragejg]

hmmm, ok, so I've read the turn that the "My editorial is (finally) out." thread has taken...

I can safely say I'm glad I stayed outta that one, but I now understand how the attitude there spilled over to this thread.


What, am I that much in the minority, that I spend $100-200 on a card, and DON'T look @ AA with a microscope? And I DON'T read into company behaviors that I know nothing about? ... and I DON'T enjoy speaking about issues ridden with speculation?

... I just enjoy what I buy. And what I buy is always a *bang for the buck* situation... And I recognize my product's shortcomings AND benifits equally...

Why be a bellyacher when there's good things to be enthusiastic about (mentioned in the above post)? ...esp given the storms we've weathered...

[ChrisRay]

Originally posted by ragejg
meh... please...

:-l

Sorry, I'm not going to bash the NV35 release.

I'm not going to bash the NV36 release.

I applaud NV's efforts in the FW 52.16's.

I'm really excited about the impact the 5700 non ultra is going to have on filling out the mainstream segment properly...

I am impressed with the oveclockability of NV's current generation cards.

I personally like NV's AA quality and the low performance hit on NV35 cards.

...

Much of the community feels this way too... It's a general "better feeling" about things...

I don't understand how my points could be viewed as flabberghasting... Because I know I don't stand alone in my opinion on this.


I dont get it. Because the tone changed a bit. And Not everyone is slamming Nvidia every chance they get, And people are actually seeing some positive side to Nvidia cards, The site is all of a sudden changing?

Digi, This is a flame post. I really must question your agenda at times. It seems you want Nvidia to be in flames, Whether there's reason or not. And I'm going by your posts today,

Anyway, Flame war? no, I wont get drawn into it, But Nvnews has had to deal with the hardest times considering Nvidias situation, But Asking an Nvidia fansite to label something a Piece of Garbage, (When It's obviously not) Is over the line.

ATI has a good product. But that doesnt mean there are not good sides of owning an Nvidia product. And I believe you want everyone to believe there is nothing good in an Nvidia card.

[Sazar]

Originally posted by ChrisRay
I dont get it. Because the tone changed a bit. And Not everyone is slamming Nvidia every chance they get, And people are actually seeing some positive side to Nvidia cards, The site is all of a sudden changing?

Digi, This is a flame post. I really must question your agenda at times. It seems you want Nvidia to be in flames, Whether there's reason or not. And I'm going by your posts today,

Anyway, Flame war? no, I wont get drawn into it, But Nvnews has had to deal with the hardest times considering Nvidias situation, But Asking an Nvidia fansite to label something a Piece of Garbage, (When It's obviously not) Is over the line.

ATI has a good product. But that doesnt mean there are not good sides of owning an Nvidia product. And I believe you want everyone to believe there is nothing good in an Nvidia card.

yah... in general there are positives in what nvidia have been doing and we can only hope that this in relation to the attitude consumers and their investors have taken though it is unlikely...

seeing a company on top take a hit in terms of the performance crown...they will obviously try and wrest it back...

though I am not a fan of the baseline performance in all aspects for the mainstream and higher nv3x cards... there is no reason for consumers not to buy them... they give pretty good performance across the board... especially with the new shaders...

actually... the new drivers would probably not be seen in the light they are seen in now were it not for the fact ati is doing the same thing..

I have a feeling were it NOT for ati doing the same thing that nvidia bashing would have encompassed the latest forceware drivers also...

now is THAT fair ?

just my $0.02...

[-=Gib-McFragger=-]

God, PM Dig PM. :banghead:

:fanboy:

[saturnotaku]

Dig, if I might be so bold as to make a suggestion here. I think you need step away from here for a while. Take some time to cool off, go out of town, relax and come back. It seems that just when I start to gain some respect for you, you come along and pull this crap. You need to take pause for a moment and then come back down to earth. Think about some things, try to realize that the sun does not rise and set around you. And while you're at it, tell your online buddies who have been saying this site is biased to come back to reality as well. I can virtually guarantee that you'll come back with a renewed outlook and some fresh thoughts.

I'm following my own advice because starting tomorrow I'm going on a long weekend holiday to New Orleans. I get back Saturday night when I will go out drinking and on Sunday I will hopefully be seeing my girl. I'll be back on Monday and feeling a whole lot better about everything. :)