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sbp
09-21-02, 07:23 PM
In this article a 16 year old scammer talks about how easy it was to rip people off online.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/790212.asp

He also says that he has sworn off participation in Internet auctions. But he still observes eBay and Yahoo, and sees the endless stream of scammers operating in relative impunity. When he thinks about his 6-month scamming spree, he wonders why eBay and Yahoo never contacted him. He knows that eventually, many of his victims complained to the sites.

“I was always wondering why Ebay or Yahoo left me alone, not even a ‘stop that.’ ” he said.

Given the ease of running scams on auction sites, he says, bidders need to protect themselves. Aside from the obvious advice about avoiding “too good to be true” prices, Hue offered other warning signs.

Avoid auctions that list a picture taken directly off a manufacturer’s Web site. The picture should be “homemade,” as a means for the seller to prove they really are holding the item they claim to be selling.
If you are bidding on a computer, look at several other auctions for that model, and notice if the same “homemade” picture is used by different sellers. That’s a sign that something’s wrong.
Avoid sellers who list “a ton of auctions all at once.” More than 10 or 20 auctions is usually a bad sign, Hue says. Even if sellers have a high rating, a very credible seller’s account may have been recently “hijacked.”
Avoid sellers who don’t know much about their products or who list items with very short descriptions.
Inspect delivered merchandise carefully. To cheat his victims, Hue simply used bleach to erase the “25 Mhz” label on the 1989 laptops he sold, and that was enough to fool most of his victims.
Most of all, Hue said: understand how easy it is for criminals to thrive in — or be tempted by — the anonymity of Internet sales. Scamming is so common, for a reason. “It was the easiest way I’ve ever earned money,” Hue said. “But it’s also the worst way.”

thcdru2k
09-21-02, 07:31 PM
ehh i was conned rom $1200 around the time the first geforce came out.

it was listed as a piii 600mhz, 128mb ram, 13gb hd, creative geforce 256, creative sb live, creative fps2000. i paid like $1200.

the system came, this was an upgrade from a 200mmx, so turns out, i tried to dl geforce drivers, and sb live drivers, but it didn't work, and i didnt even get a fps2000 i got some crap integrated speakers. turned out it was trident blade xp, and a yamaha 3d sound. everything else was fine, i tried contacting the guy again but he changed his phone number.

i ended up buying a geforce 256, sb live, and a fps2000. running total cost to about $2000. and than i bought a 19 in mitsubishi for $600, upping the cost to $2600. when i put the geforce in the agp slot, turns out it short circuited the mb. it was a crappy power supply. had to replace power supply, and motherboard. running the price up to $2800. finally got everything working.

now that i look at my current system, the one in my sig it cost only 800 bucks from newegg. gosh how stupid i was back then.

styles-T
09-21-02, 09:52 PM
Thats why Im so skeptical about buying from ebay or yahoo..

Theres some great stuff for sale..but Im too scared of getting ripped off..

A co-worker of mine got ripped off of 400$ when the playstation 2 came out..it was a guy from CA. who was selling it on ebay..

He got his money..the co-worker got nothing in return..

thcdru2k
09-21-02, 09:56 PM
very true, even a person's ratings don't even tell the whole truth. i remember when i made this purchase this guy had a positive rating over 10 to other people making computer purchases. obviously he was able to fool 10 other people who really didn't know or care what were in their computers.

Matthyahuw
09-22-02, 12:00 AM
A friend of mine has a friend that makes a full time job out of going to Sam's Club, buying crap, then reselling on eBay...makes about 30K a year...

SnakeEyes
09-23-02, 10:20 AM
Even the ratings can be fraudulent. These guys are the same type that set up phony online stores, then go into resellerratings sites with several different aliases and hype their stores up.

sbp
09-27-02, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Even the ratings can be fraudulent. These guys are the same type that set up phony online stores, then go into resellerratings sites with several different aliases and hype their stores up. Sounds like another OCZ operation. These lamers have had so many names its hard to keep track. A trio of them (Below Ambient aka GLADIATTACKER aka matrickage, ryan, and amanda) who worked for the overclockerz store, wrote up positive comments for their own store in resellerratings back in August, 2001 that originally earned them the ZERO rating (amanda's and ryan's were removed}. Scott Wainner, owner of resellerratings, had to reset the whole resellerrating for OCZ/the Overclockerz store.

Oh yeah everyone does know that Overclockerz sites were reviewing Overclockerzs products and giving great ratings? Then they sat there and tried to deny the connection (they made some bs story to explain everything). There was a overclockerz store forum at hardwareoc.com and whenever someone had a complaint about the terrible service the thread would disappear.

Writing about these jokers would take a whole page.

sbp
09-27-02, 08:13 AM
eBay and company are too busy counting the fee money they made to stop the frauds sales. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/disa.gif

$5,000 is chump change compared to what to the amounts some of these thieves have taken. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/ugone2far.gif

The conmen are getting more clever. However, what sucks is seeing saps knowingly walk right into a bad situation. Sad to say the thinking goes out the window when a too good for steal shows up. They don't even bother getting the information of the person being dealt with, then expect help. Basically its like the money was flushed away.

Laws against Internet crimes are weak {got slap on the wrist?} or nonexistant. Police Departments and whatnot don't do anything unless its a big amount of money. Even then there is no guarantee of action. They also don't have the manpower devoted to this.

Taking all of the above, its no surprise thiefs keep popping up to rip off more victims. Frustrating for those who try to do something about it.

netviper13
09-27-02, 10:19 AM
I refuse to buy computer equipment off of Ebay, there's just too much at stake. There are, however, some very good dealers who also run wholesale businesses.

I bought every single piece of sound equipment in my truck off of Ebay, from a couple dealers who each run legit wholesale businesses from their own websites, and I've never had a single problem. They also are both licensed by the companies that make the equipment (JBL and Pioneer in this case) to sell their products, so I got the full warranty for each one. All in all, I saved around 500 bucks by shopping ebay.

Just be careful and do some research before bidding and you should be fine.

St Lobus
09-27-02, 11:10 PM
My biggest complaint with Ebay has got to be their fee system. Now, there are the scammers that will try their best to con you, but I had a worse time dealing with the Ebay staff about their fees. I sold one item, and they wanted to charge my twelve bucks a month because of it. I promptly shut down that account and haven't even visited the site since. I felt it was a little ridiculous, but...they've gotta make money too. Whatever works, I guess.