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Hellbinder
11-19-03, 07:57 PM
And yes, the Voodoo 5's AA is better than the R300, i.e. the VSA 100's 4xAA vs R300's 6xAA...I'm talking about AA quality, not the overall IQ. Sure it blurs the textures, due to the lack of AF, but it does a better job at AA than the R300; especially on those alpha textures, or anything that's not a polygon...also, let's not forget the Voodoo 5 6000, which does 8xAA
*cough* BS *cough*..
Like that "especially those Alpha textures" line. More like ONLY those alpha textures line. I would MAYBE that a big MAYBE put Vodoos 4x FSAA on par with ATi's Gamma corrected 4x FSAA. Hell.. Look closely at some of those 8x FSAA rampage shots. While looking nice Atis 6x FSAA covers some angles better that even what you see there.
On top of Which Without AF IMO its a Joke.
There are also some serious Questions about the legitness of all the specs among other things i wont bring up.
The bottom line is if they really had it and could have delivered it they would have. Lets see some wesite like [H] or Nvnews get the one working "prototype" and properly test it. From what I have heard the the reality is a long way from the Fantasy that eveyone likes to believe.
Of course it is HB (the reality vs. the fantasy, and the distance between), but everyone likes to believe in something.
If they had working samples and it was really that great, they could have simply extended some credit lines, and people would have been willing to help them out too, if it was all that and a (insert something good), but it wasn't that swell so they went to hell. ..errr bankrupt.
ChrisRay
11-19-03, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
*cough* BS *cough*..
Like that "especially those Alpha textures" line. More like ONLY those alpha textures line. I would MAYBE that a big MAYBE put Vodoos 4x FSAA on par with ATi's Gamma corrected 4x FSAA. Hell.. Look closely at some of those 8x FSAA rampage shots. While looking nice Atis 6x FSAA covers some angles better that even what you see there.
On top of Which Without AF IMO its a Joke.
There are also some serious Questions about the legitness of all the specs among other things i wont bring up.
The bottom line is if they really had it and could have delivered it they would have. Lets see some wesite like [H] or Nvnews get the one working "prototype" and properly test it. From what I have heard the the reality is a long way from the Fantasy that eveyone likes to believe.
Ya thats what I was thinking.. that 8x AA was more useless than Nvidias 8xS because its entirely super sampling.... hell Nvidias new 8x and ATIS 6x look just as good IMO :rolleyes:
Well the card was supposed to be out during the GF2 era. You can't expect it to have Aniso as advanced as a 9800 card. The point is that back then the AA method was far ahead of it's time, and if the Rampage really did live up to it's expectations (or even lived up to half of them) then the 3d card market may be far more advanced then it is today. I mean it wasn't even until the 8500 that we had Anisotropic filtering at decent speed, and even then it had problems (bilinear only, certain angles were distorted, etc.). I mean think about it, we're compairing the CURRENT generation of cards to one that's 3 years old. Back then, AA was probably a more important issue then Aniso because many games had such low polygon counts that there were many areas that were practicly made of jaggies, and while aniso does help with textures it wasn't as big of a deal back then (especially with all the low-res texures which didn't cause as much blurryness at long range as high-res ones do). Though Super-sample AA does actually clear up textures a bit, so it was probably using the equivalent of 2x Aniso anyway. Not to mention who even use AA/Aniso back in the Geforce 2 days? Well...Voodoo 5 users pretty much, since noone else saw AA as a big deal.
Oh, and weren't those 8xAA pics from a V5 6000? If it was the rampage it would've had anisotropic filtering as well. But you shouldn't simply discount something because you haven't seen it yourself. Noone has even tested an Aureal 3500 audio card, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist and wouldn't have lived up to it's expectations. Say, has there been any word on who actually owns that working prototype of the Rampage card? Even if it does *work*, I wouldn't expect it to be a very good indicator of what the final card would've been like (even the early V5 6000 models didn't support AA), but it would've been cool to get some performance benchmarks.
Here is a pic I took with my "Rampage" at "8xFSAA/0x aniso".
http://users.adelphia.net/~webspace/images/rampage.jpg
Lecram25
11-19-03, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
*cough* BS *cough*..
Like that "especially those Alpha textures" line. More like ONLY those alpha textures line. I would MAYBE that a big MAYBE put Vodoos 4x FSAA on par with ATi's Gamma corrected 4x FSAA. Hell.. Look closely at some of those 8x FSAA rampage shots. While looking nice Atis 6x FSAA covers some angles better that even what you see there.
On top of Which Without AF IMO its a Joke.
There are also some serious Questions about the legitness of all the specs among other things i wont bring up.
The bottom line is if they really had it and could have delivered it they would have. Lets see some wesite like [H] or Nvnews get the one working "prototype" and properly test it. From what I have heard the the reality is a long way from the Fantasy that eveyone likes to believe.
*sigh*
For one...alpha textures are not the only issue...have you ever played Enter the Matrix? TRAoD? Ever look at Lara's shadow? *pukes* That's why ATi's AA seems like a big joke to me...and secondly, I've played some games on my radeon which I've played on my Voodoo...compared the AA, and nill...example, UT; Ati's 6x, I can still pin point some minor jaggies (because I'm looking for them, but they're there) meanwhile on my Voodoo, with 4xAA there are less...maybe it has something to do with the angle at which the AA is being performed (since both are using rotated grid AA)but by far, the VSA 100's 8xAA is unmatched today...and NO, those are Voodoo 5 6000 screen shots, maybe you should read posts carefully before posting useless, negative crap...
There are also some serious Questions about the legitness of all the specs among other things i wont bring up.
Please don't tell me you're questioning the "free AA" and "free AF" part...
Lets see some wesite like [H] or Nvnews get the one working "prototype" and properly test it.
There are only TWO prototypes...and only ONE is working...the engineer prefered it to be with the italians...
Here are some more Rampage pics...
Running UT in Software...
http://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/Glide/20037251454_rampy_ut_renderer.jpg
http://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/Glide/200372514123_v5_ut_renderer.jpg
http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/Glide/2003727125317_winme.jpg
http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/Glide/2003727125455_envbmapping.jpg
http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/Glide/200372723951_rampage3dm2000.jpg
Lecram25 - where did you find all this wonderful info? Are you a former 3dfx employee! (Gator pays homage to Lecram)
These pics and specs have been on the net for a good 6 months now...and no, I'm not an ex-3dfx employee, lol...but I would have loved to work for them one day...
P.S.: no need tp pay homage to me ;)
Lecram25
11-19-03, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by ChrisW
Here is a pic I took with my "Rampage" at "8xFSAA/0x aniso".
http://users.adelphia.net/~webspace/images/rampage.jpg
Two things...
1) Nowhere does it say that those were Rampage screenshots...
and
2) congratulations, it only took 3 years http://mapage.noos.fr/gc12/x3dfx/dork.gif
EDIT: gimme an image that doesn't look like sh*t, i.e. kill the compression, it's giving a nasty blur around the polys...also, you might wanna look at the trees in your image...
Originally posted by Lecram25
EDIT: gimme an image that doesn't look like sh*t, i.e. kill the compression, it's giving a nasty blur around the polys...also, you might wanna look at the trees in your image...
It's all I can do to turn everything down and increase the gamma to produce that picture. What is wrong with the trees? And do you really think this is the best I can for "three years" in the making? This is a low resolution image with no anisotropic filtering or other things. I personally can't play games anymore at such low resolutions and low image quality. Now, what card did you say that was from?
EDIT: Ok, here is the same picture without as much jpeg compression:
http://users.adelphia.net/~webspace/images/ssam2.jpg
I'll probably have to pull the file later due to it's size eating up bandwidth. I didn't bother to increase the gamma in this pic.
Lecram25
11-19-03, 11:44 PM
lol, do me a favor...go up to the trees and gimme a nice screenie...lol
And what I meant about the 3 years crap is that the kind of AA produced by the 6k is still unmatched, and only now are they catching up...
ChrisRay
11-19-03, 11:49 PM
Sorry those screens look atrocious... AF is a must.. the AA is nice. But I'm not seeing something remarkably superior to Nvidias 8xS or ATIs 6x. And w/o AF the difference isnt worth it...
How about this tree?
http://users.adelphia.net/~webspace/images/ssam3.jpg
If I go to the other side I'll have to kill lots of monsters!
EDIT: I replaced the pic as that one had 2x aniso in it.
Lecram25
11-20-03, 12:18 AM
Exactly, no AA going on...
Originally posted by Lecram25
Exactly, no AA going on...
And now your picture?
Lecram25
11-20-03, 12:23 AM
lol, I never said I had a Voodoo 5 6000...
I would give you a screenie with my Voodoo 5 5500, but I have this thing called an nforce2 motherboard, and it only does AGP 4x/8x...
Oh man, I was hoping to see what I've been missing.
Lecram25
11-20-03, 12:40 AM
:(
ChrisRay
11-20-03, 02:56 AM
If I had that game I'd do some super sampling shots from my Geforce FX :(
-=DVS=-
11-20-03, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by ChrisRay
If I had that game I'd do some super sampling shots from my Geforce FX :(
Game is Serious Sam you can download demo :D or warez :rolleyes2:
Anyway why do you people fight over lost and forgoten civilization :p
Rampage could have been killer product 4 years ago or os , and Voodoo 6000 would have been decent to, end of story ;)
Pretty cool if someone got working Rampage , its Priceless one of its kind :eek: can sell it for a billion gazillion $$$$ :drooling:
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