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Malfunction
11-17-03, 07:24 PM
http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/11/17&pages=A7&seq=41

Sources at Taiwan’s notebook makers have confirmed that Intel will debut three models of its next-generation Pentium M processor, codenamed Dothan, on February 4.

To accelerate the transition to the new processors, Intel has decided to launch a 1.6GHz model. Originally, Intel had planned to start the Dothan processors, manufactured on a 90nm process, at 1.8GHz and later add a 1.7GHz model, the sources said.

The introduction of the relatively low-priced 1.6GHz model will help increase the proportion of Dothan processors in overall Centrino CPU sales, said the sources.

Intel is striving to have over 70% of its Pentium 4 processors for desktops available on the 90nm process in the second quarter of 2004, local notebook makers quoted sources at Intel Taiwan as saying.

The current yield rate of 12-inch wafers manufactured on the 90nm process is comparable, if not higher, than that of the eight-inch wafers using a 0.13-micron process, according to sources at Intel Taiwan.

Intel will also debut its Pentium M 1GHz ULV processor at a price of around US$262 per unit in the first quarter of next year. The new 1GHz ULV model is to counter Transmeta’s recently released 1.1Ghz Efficeon processors, said the sources.


Hmmm... 90nm process problems plague Intel, maybe not huh. :angel2:

Peace,

:afro:

Sazar
11-17-03, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Malfunction
http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/11/17&pages=A7&seq=41



Hmmm... 90nm process problems plague Intel, maybe not huh. :angel2:

Peace,

:afro:

source == what exactly?

:)

right... my point :)

I am sure the yield problems are not as bad as reported but they are unlikely to be as rosy as intel PR claims either...

Malfunction
11-17-03, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Sazar
source == what exactly?

:)

right... my point :)

I am sure the yield problems are not as bad as reported but they are unlikely to be as rosy as intel PR claims either...

I see, so everytime AMD says something it's gospel? How long ago was Hammer suppose to be released again?

Peace,

:rolleyes:

Malfunction
11-17-03, 08:02 PM
The "non-bias" Register puts their spin on the story too.:rolleyes:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/34019.html

Eish, someone hit the fan in here... please.

Peace,

:eek2:

Harnagel
11-17-03, 09:46 PM
The current yield rate of 12-inch wafers manufactured on the 90nm process is comparable, if not higher, than that of the eight-inch wafers using a 0.13-micron process, according to sources at Intel Taiwan.

That could either be very good or very bad. If they are talking about percentages it's good for Intel, but if they're talking about the number of CPUs produced per wafer that is horrible. 12-inch wafers should produce ~2X the CPUs as 8-inch wafers, 90nm process should produce another significant jump in production capacity. Without some clarification from their Intel source I am hesitant to jump to conclusions as these things are often misinterpreted. They also don't say what speeds their yeilds are producing. AMD had a situation (~1 year ago? I don't quite remember when) where they were having good yeilds for Opterons but not at the speeds they needed. Time will tell, only a couple more months now.

Malfunction
11-17-03, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Harnagel
That could either be very good or very bad. If they are talking about percentages it's good for Intel, but if they're talking about the number of CPUs produced per wafer that is horrible. 12-inch wafers should produce ~2X the CPUs as 8-inch wafers, 90nm process should produce another significant jump in production capacity. Without some clarification from their Intel source I am hesitant to jump to conclusions as these things are often misinterpreted. They also don't say what speeds their yeilds are producing. AMD had a situation (~1 year ago? I don't quite remember when) where they were having good yeilds for Opterons but not at the speeds they needed. Time will tell, only a couple more months now.

DigiTimes cites sources at Intel's Taiwan operation as claiming 90nm yields on 300mm wafers now at least match those of 130nm, 200mm wafers. What's not clear is if 'yield' refers to the number of working processors being produced or the percentage of good to bad chips per wafer. Given the higher number of 90nm chips that can be punched out of a 300mm wafer, we hope it's the latter. ®

Yet another original thought from...

Peace,

:bleh:

Harnagel
11-17-03, 11:51 PM
Woah, that's wierd, where did you get that quote from? I actually wasn't being all that serious. I believe yeild is usually quantitative where as yeild rate is percentage, but I may be wrong. Kind of like how the interest one earns is quantative but the interest rate is a percentage of the investment.

Harnagel
11-18-03, 12:00 AM
nevermind I found it at that register link you provided earlier. I don't go totheinquirer or the register and I hadn't even bothered to read the one you had provided.

Sazar
11-18-03, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Malfunction
I see, so everytime AMD says something it's gospel? How long ago was Hammer suppose to be released again?

Peace,

:rolleyes:

the fact that you happen to take the PR from the company itself is the problem... it doesn't matter which company...

if you have a thing for intel... good on you... frankly I don't care...

its the same thing with AMD issuing their own PR... I prefer to get some of the relevant information from other sources rather than touting what the company itself says (case in point... nv30... nuff said)

Viral
11-18-03, 12:55 AM
I see, so everytime AMD says something it's gospel?

No, where did you get that assumption from?


How long ago was Hammer suppose to be released again?

Hammer is out now.

The launch was delayed, yes, but how does this back up that people treat what 'AMD' says as 'gospel'? I personally diddn't treat AMD's original launch date as definite, i never do with any company.

nVidi0t
11-18-03, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Malfunction
I see, so everytime AMD says something it's gospel? How long ago was Hammer suppose to be released again?

Peace,

:rolleyes:

So True :)

Yes, that info is likely to be a bit sketchy, but what I mean is a lot of people are happy to hear from AMD and not Intel.

Everyone supports the underdog...

Harnagel
11-18-03, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by nVidi0t
So True :)

Yes, that info is likely to be a bit sketchy, but what I mean is a lot of people are happy to hear from AMD and not Intel.

Everyone supports the underdog...

Of course they do, there's no excitement in betting on the favorite.

Malfunction
11-18-03, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Harnagel
Of course they do, there's no excitement in betting on the favorite.

lol... ya, I figured as much too. :D

Peace,

:D