9700 blows...

[cOoLeRgUy]

Out of all the cards that ATi has made, this is the crappiest card ever because of the following reasons:

a) what the hell is up with the power sharing to the hard drive..
b) the drivers is the most fu**ed POS sh|t ever, that never worked so I had to go to Catalyst 2.1,2.2,2.3, yet it still doesn't work
c) their driver team sucks ****

*EDIT* Why I don't like ATi...
a) why do I have to do all of this trouble when I didn't have any with the GeForce 4 Ti 4600
b) why did ATi have to copy the unified driver management from nVidia

rev 1.3 ROCKS! rev 1.1 SOCKS!

[nin_fragile14]

Woah, easy there man. Before you start claiming the card is crap, think of the hardware problems you may be having instead of just blaming it on a card that works fine for hundreds of people.

And I truly wonder if you even own it...

"e) why did ATi have to copy the unified driver management from nVidia"

"a) what the hell is up with the power sharing to the hard drive.."

What does it matter? How does that make the card any worse? If you really have it, and aren't just bashing ati for the sake of bashing, try underclocking your CPU or use the uninstall drivers instruction from rage3d.com/board. Also try a BIOS update; you own an early 8X AGP motherboard.

[thcdru2k]

woah..really go to rage3d they will help you out.

[cOoLeRgUy]

i have tried everything from buying a new power supply, to reformatting my hard drive, underclocking, and even moving the sound cards around so it can free up some IRQs for it....

however, i found this site (www.driverheaven.net) and i'm willing to give it one more try...if it doesn't work, i'm returning it even though there's 15% restocking fee :(

[cOoLeRgUy]

Originally posted by thcdru2k
woah..really go to rage3d they will help you out.

i tried and all they did was flame me.... when's the nv30 coming out?

[cOoLeRgUy]

Originally posted by nin_fragile14
"a) what the hell is up with the power sharing to the hard drive.."
for some reason, my ATi Radeon 9700 didn't work until I plugged it directly to the power supply with an extra plug I had...if I use the plug I had that came with the box, it doesn't work...

[cOoLeRgUy]

another thing, even if I set the settings to AGP 4X, it'll boot what remain black right after the windows XP load screen (the one with the green meter for home | blue meter for professional), everything is underclocked, and I'm gonna install the drivers as soon as I reformat...

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by cOoLeRgUy
i tried and all they did was flame me....

Hmm... first post here:
their driver team sucks ****... the drivers is the most fu**ed POS sh|t ever... Out of all the cards that ATi has made, this is the crappiest card ever

Yeah, I can imagine them giving you plenty of help if your attitude was the same there. I hope they told you to stick it up your ass, connect the extra power connector to a wall socket, and enjoy the blazing fast graphics.

[Gator]

Rage3d will help you. You simply need to be calm and cool and specific as possible about your troubles. They really have a great bunch of people over there, but if all you do is say "this thing sucks" than nobody is gonna give you any sympathy. Make another post, don't curse, and don't say the 9700 flat out sucks, and see what happens.

As for you're problems, although I no longer bother buying ATI cards for gaming myself, it isn't really fair to judge a card that has been on the market for so short a period of time. I'll gladly say R8500 sucks because it was out for over a year when I bought it and I still had problems, so I switched to GF4 instead. But to say a card sucks right after it's release... :rolleyes:

[5150 Joker]

Is that SiS board of yours AGP 8x? If it is I hear you need to look for a bios update. My 9700 works perfectly with the cat 2.3 drivers and d3d patch. So far every game runs flawlessly so I'm willing to bet your mobo is the culprit.

[travbrad]

Yeah this card sucks so much :rolleyes: It's only 2-3X as fast as a Ti4600 and it works perfectly in over 20 games for me. Don't jump to conclusions because a few people are having problems....

[5150 Joker]

Yep just like I thought, it's his board. Notice the Sis 648 chip? You should go look for an updated bios as well.


Copy and pasted from the rage 3d front page:


ABit Sr7-8x SiS648 Beta Bios - 7:40 pm EST - MrB
Saw a user post this on the forum and now he is a Radeon 9700 happy camper. ABIT has released a beta bios that was just released on the 18th. It fixes the following:

Beta BIOS release SR7_BQ.R02 for SR7-8X

1. Support Intel Celeron 2.0G CPU.
2. For ATI R300 (RADEON 9700) Hangs up during 3D benchmarking or gaming issue, provide two settings to workaround. "POST Write Combine: Enabled" and "No Mask of SBA FE: Enabled" If the 3D benchmarking still failed, try the alternative-"POST Write Combine: Disabled" and "No Mask of SBA FE: Enabled"
3. BIOS compile date: 9/18/2002.

You can download it here. Remember to be careful when flashing and that this is a beta bios! Thanks goes to RiVoLT for joining our forums and informing everyone!

[LORD-eX-Bu]

MSI 648 MAx had no probs with the 9700 I had, that is, after I unplugged the external power and updated the drivers. For around $400 I expected not to have to do this, especially the external power part, so guess what? I returned it! I suggest you do the same if you are having problems like that. Save your money for something better.;)

[5150 Joker]

Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU
MSI 648 MAx had no probs with the 9700 I had, that is, after I unplugged the external power and updated the drivers. For around $400 I expected not to have to do this, especially the external power part, so guess what? I returned it! I suggest you do the same if you are having problems like that. Save your money for something better.;)

Lucky you but that doesn't mean the motherboard isn't at fault. They wouldn't have released a bios if it wasn't neccessary.

[Joe Shmoe]

Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU
MSI 648 MAx had no probs with the 9700 I had, that is, after I unplugged the external power and updated the drivers.
The card doesn't POST without extra power, so how'd you manage to update the drivers this way?
For around $400 I expected not to have to do this, especially the external power part, so guess what?
What's the big deal with the extra power connector? How do you expect ATi to solve the AGP power limitation? The memory alone is using most of the power AGP can provide, so how do you power the chip?
I returned it! I suggest you do the same if you are having problems like that. Save your money for something better.;)
Let me break it down for you:
R300 NV30 (rumors)
---------------------------------------------------------------
transitors 107 million 120 million
process .15 micron .13 micron
frequency 325 mhz ~400 mhz

So how will nvidia solve the power problem? .13 is 75% the size of .15, but nvidia is using more transitors in NV30 and plans on clocking it higher. In other words, NV30 is likely to use as much power as R300.

[5150 Joker]

Originally posted by Joe Shmoe

The card doesn't POST without extra power, so how'd you manage to update the drivers this way?
.


He's probably lying.

[Megatron]

Originally posted by cOoLeRgUy
Out of all the cards that ATi has made, this is the crappiest card ever because of the following reasons:

a) what the hell is up with the power sharing to the hard drive..
b) the drivers is the most fu**ed POS sh|t ever, that never worked so I had to go to Catalyst 2.1,2.2,2.3, yet it still doesn't work
c) their driver team sucks ****

1)You dont have to share power with your hard drive. The "splitter" cable is only provided for people who do not posess an extra unused FDD type line from there PS.
If you have a free lead, then the first thing you should do when opening up your 9700, is to remove the "pre installed noob cable" and hook it up directly.

2)Drivers that never worked? Geez man could you be a little more specific? Most people are enjoying this card and playing all their games..how could the drivers not "work"

3)Well...as far as what their driver team does after hours.. lol...well thats their business.

Its too bad if you cant get it to work, you could return it for a new one, or a refund and go back to the Ti4600.
If you do get it to work, then youll be very very happy like the rest of us are. The card simply rocks. I have yet to have an issue playing any of my games with these POS drivers and card.

[PreservedSwine]

Before you go too far w/ your "fresh install" I've seen many a problem w/ the R9700 be reapaired with the latest BIOS from your mobo manu. and the latest chipset drivers for your mobo chipset (IE VIA, SIS, ALI, etc)

[ATI LoVeR 9700]

Originally posted by cOoLeRgUy
Out of all the cards that ATi has made, this is the crappiest card ever because of the following reasons:

a) what the hell is up with the power sharing to the hard drive..
b) the drivers is the most fu**ed POS sh|t ever, that never worked so I had to go to Catalyst 2.1,2.2,2.3, yet it still doesn't work
c) their driver team sucks ****

*EDIT* Why I don't like ATi...
a) why do I have to do all of this trouble when I didn't have any with the GeForce 4 Ti 4600
b) why did ATi have to copy the unified driver management from nVidia


Read this! (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&postid=1331446511#post1331446511)

Quoted Here if you don't wanna click:

Originally posted by Prometheus
Just received my RMA from ATI this morning with the Rev 1.3 9700 PRO that is supposed to fix the 8X "no boot" and "unstable" issues. I was probably one of the first on the RMA list since mine has been in since 9/05 - the day before I started this thread.

IT WORKS!!! As you know, my previous ATI 9700 1.1 would not even boot in the Asus P4S8X, Gigabyte 7VAXP, VIA P4PB 400-FL, or Gigabyte 8SR667. Thus far the Rev 1.3 works perfectly in the Gigabyte 8SR667 and boots fine in the Asus P4S8X.

I will be checking the other 2 motherboards later today but it is looking really good :D

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by Joe Shmoe

The card doesn't POST without extra power, so how'd you manage to update the drivers this way?

What's the big deal with the extra power connector? How do you expect ATi to solve the AGP power limitation? The memory alone is using most of the power AGP can provide, so how do you power the chip?

Let me break it down for you:
R300 NV30 (rumors)
---------------------------------------------------------------
transitors 107 million 120 million
process .15 micron .13 micron
frequency 325 mhz ~400 mhz

So how will nvidia solve the power problem? .13 is 75% the size of .15, but nvidia is using more transitors in NV30 and plans on clocking it higher. In other words, NV30 is likely to use as much power as R300.

You can use the computer's own power supply for the card if you have a free connector, which you probably do anyways. The external power for the card doesn't seem to work properly, at least now anyways. And the bios update wasn't for the 9700, it was to get my DDR 400 to run. THanks.:rolleyes:

[Jandar]

Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU


You can use the computer's own power supply for the card if you have a free connector, which you probably do anyways. The external power for the card doesn't seem to work properly, at least now anyways. And the bios update wasn't for the 9700, it was to get my DDR 400 to run. THanks.:rolleyes:

ok, considering I have the 9700 in my machine, Im confused here.

The computers own power supply if you have a free connector, you mean the floppy power plug right?

the external power.....

floppy power plug.

only one power plug. either you smoke a little too much, or you suck at BSing.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showimage.html?u=http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/gigabyte/r300/cardfront.jpg

notice the top right corner of the card. Its the power supply, there is no "external" power, just that one. So same plug you describe in two different ways.

Methinks you dont have a 9700....

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by Jandar


ok, considering I have the 9700 in my machine, Im confused here.

The computers own power supply if you have a free connector, you mean the floppy power plug right?

the external power.....

floppy power plug.

only one power plug. either you smoke a little too much, or you suck at BSing.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showimage.html?u=http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/gigabyte/r300/cardfront.jpg

notice the top right corner of the card. Its the power supply, there is no "external" power, just that one. So same plug you describe in two different ways.

Methinks you dont have a 9700....

After returning it I don't.

[cOoLeRgUy]

problem solved...
solution: Hercules Radeon 9700...I think it's a Rev 1.3/1.4...
gave my video card to my neighbor and he said I gave him a burnt video card. LOL!

[Rogozhin]

man, you are a feecking immoralist. Plus you're probably 18. Just keep your ass shut on this forum.


Rogo

P.S. People treat you as well as you treat others.
So you better go give your grandma some homebaked cookies

[cOoLeRgUy]

Originally posted by Rogozhin

So you better go give your grandma some homebaked cookies

all i have is chips-ahoy! :(