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zoomy942
12-18-03, 02:53 PM
i am about to buy a 5700 non ultra, but will it be a worthy performer? i have a borrowed 4600, so i dont have a choice. i play games with the drivers set to performance and the game at 1024x768, sometimes 1280x1024. i dont use AA or AF. thoughts on this? of course, i will overclock this card to the 5700 ultra settings, maybe more if i can.

saturnotaku
12-18-03, 03:35 PM
If you can swing it, save yourself another $30 and pick up an FX 5900SE. It doesn't have the raw clock-speed numbers of the 5700 Ultra, but its 256-bit bus makes it a more powerful card overall. For $189 at Newegg, the eVGA 5900SE is probably the best value going right now.

zoomy942
12-18-03, 03:38 PM
i wish i could swing it, but i cant. i am kinda stuck. i am pulling strings to get the money for a 5700 (its gonna be ultra when i'm done with it) right before xmas. will i see better performance in comparison to the 4600? with those setting i said at the begininng?

saturnotaku
12-18-03, 03:40 PM
If you're not using AA or AF, you might as well stick with the Ti4600 until you can get the money for an FX 5900. The 5900 is too good a card to pass up, especially if you're considering a 5700.

zoomy942
12-18-03, 03:47 PM
if i decide to use AA and AF, would there be a difference in the 4600 and 5700 ultra? i havent used it yet cause i could tell there was a performance difference. thanks for you posts

Gator
12-18-03, 05:55 PM
5700 < TI4600
5700 Ultra > TI4600

5700 non-ultra is NOT worth it for a TI4600 owner, but for 5700Ultra there is a noticable difference in performance from what I read, however the 5700 Ultra is the SAME price as the 5900SE, so the best thing to do is save for the 5900SE, or don't upgrade at this time :p

Cotita
12-18-03, 09:25 PM
get a 5900SE for like 200dlls, I think newegg has the evga for like 189 bucks

Its faster and cheaper than the 5700 ultra.

zoomy942
12-18-03, 10:24 PM
i found a 5700 ultra for $150. so i went ahead and got it, even though i wanted a 5900 so bad. thanks for all you inputs. even if its not a good card, just lie to me and tell me that it will be a decent card. (haha) any idea when the new nvidia products will be available? i am all over that. my b-day is in march, and i'll be on board with the new stuff if its available.

Edge
12-18-03, 11:30 PM
Uhhh...ye...yeah, it's a decent card.....:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Hehe, just kidding, it may not be as good as the FX5900, but it's still a pretty good card. Basicly just take your experience with the TI4600, add some AA/Aniso, and that's about what you'll get. Lacks in DX9 performence, but otherwise fine. You might as well use 2xAA/lvl4 aniso, since it'll have a minimal performance hit on the FX5600 card. The next generation of cards will probably be out around the first quarter of next year, but these things have a way of getting delayed. We'll probably get some answers in January or so, after the holiday buying season is over and people can safely be told that those shinny new cards they got for christmas will be outdated in less then a month :D

Cotita
12-18-03, 11:38 PM
congrats for your purchase.

The 5700ultra is so much better than the 5600 and can keep up with the radeon 9600 xt

As nvidia refines their drivers, performance will increase, so dx9 games will perform better.

I don't think that nvidia nor ATI will release a new card till mid next year, the nv40 and R400 or R500 will probably be announced in Q2 2004 at the earliest.

Gator
12-19-03, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by zoomy942
i found a 5700 ultra for $150. so i went ahead and got it, even though i wanted a 5900 so bad. thanks for all you inputs. even if its not a good card, just lie to me and tell me that it will be a decent card. (haha) any idea when the new nvidia products will be available? i am all over that. my b-day is in march, and i'll be on board with the new stuff if its available.

you sure for only $150 it's an 5700 Ultra and not the Non-ultra? Do you have a link from where you purchased it? That just doesn't sound right, and you definetly do not want to replace a TI4600 with a 5700 non-ultra you'll be disappointed.

zoomy942
12-19-03, 08:04 AM
thanks for the concern on the ultra or non-ultra i got. its a used ultra from a friend on mine. whats the difference between to two anyhow? i thought it was GPU 425 mhz for the non ultra and 475 for the ultra. and there was some stuff i found on the web abuot the ultra using DDR II and the non ultra using DDR. isd there a big difference? i dont mean on paper, i mean during game play and all that.

saturnotaku
12-19-03, 10:59 AM
I liken the 5700 Ultra to a GeForce FX 5800 Ultra but without the dustbuster cooler. They perform about the same due to their usage of DDR-II and 128-bit memory bus. It is a good card, just not as good as a 5900, which can be had at the same price as the 5900 in retail.

Gator
12-19-03, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by zoomy942
thanks for the concern on the ultra or non-ultra i got. its a used ultra from a friend on mine. whats the difference between to two anyhow? i thought it was GPU 425 mhz for the non ultra and 475 for the ultra. and there was some stuff i found on the web abuot the ultra using DDR II and the non ultra using DDR. isd there a big difference? i dont mean on paper, i mean during game play and all that.

well, paper aside, I heard that the 5700 non-ultra does not perform any better than a TI4400 if that, so that's why it's undesirable to replace a TI4600. Is it still a good card? Absolutely! But not if you already own a TI4600 because then it's just a waste of your time.

Edge
12-19-03, 07:06 PM
I thought he said he had to give back the TI4600? Well anyway, an FX5700 ultra should definatly be at least on par with a TI4600 in raw speed I think (if for no other reason then because of the clockrates in the FX5700), plus it has the FX series optimisers for the AA and Aniso. So at the very least, if he runs with Anti-aliasing on, he'll get about half the performence hit as he would with the GF4 card (excluding the *xS modes).

Kev1
12-19-03, 08:34 PM
Is awesome :) It will be faster than Ti4600, AA/AF is way better, it has directX 9 capability that is very good, and better than the Ti4600 which has absolutely none :rolleyes: Should be able to play Doom3 and HL2 very well.

I dont know why some of you guys are trying to make him feel bad about this purchase. He got it at a great price. Both are great cards, but given a choice between the two I would want the 5700 Ultra :thumbsup:

zoomy942
12-20-03, 07:21 AM
thanks kev! i needed that. everyone keeps saying to get a 5900 and it couldnt be afforded. it good to hear that the best cards arent the only ones that matter.