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Ninoot
12-18-03, 06:29 PM
This computer is mostly used for gaming online which can be graphic intense: Everquest, Dark Age Of camelot, Diablo etc etc etc which would be a better card AND would this be better than the Geforce 4 TI 4200 and the card I currently have which is Geforce FX 5200 256 MB DDR? My benchmark came out to 900's with this card using 3dmark03 :( Will I see much of a difference in upgrading to one of these? Our main concern is our framerate in these games, which I was told relies heavily upon the video card.



which would be better:

Geforce FX 5600 Ultra with 128MB DDR
GeForce FX 5600XT with 256MB DDR

I think the basic difference here is one has more DDR memory, but not sure difference between Ultra and regular is.

This computer is mostly used for gaming online which can be graphic intense: Everquest, Dark Age Of camelot, Diablo etc etc etc which would be a better card AND would this be better than the Geforce 4 TI 4200 and the card I currently have?

euan
12-18-03, 07:27 PM
Get anything higher than GFFX 5600 pro, or Radeon 9600pro and you shouldn't have any probs. 128MB is more than enough. mid-range to low wend cards with lots of mem (256MB) usually have very slow memory.

Gator
12-18-03, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Ninoot
Geforce FX 5600 Ultra with 128MB DDR
GeForce FX 5600XT with 256MB DDR
...would this be better than the Geforce 4 TI 4200 and the [Geforce FX 5200 256 MB DDR] card I currently have?

Between the two choices you DEFINETLY want the Geforce FX 5600 Ultra, it's a decent card and starts at only $130us. DONOT buy the 5600XT, even with 256megs memory, what they dont mention is the memory is clocked slow and is only 64bit memory bus which is just horrible. Under NO circumstance should you even buy a card with 64bit memory bus.

As for your current cards, a GF4TI4200 performs about on-par with a FX5600 Ultra, but the FX5600Ultra would fair better in AA/AF. As for the FX5200, DEFINETLY replace that card it's very under powered.

Cotita
12-18-03, 09:16 PM
The geforceFX 5600 ultra is a better choice.

If you want to consider an ATI card then the 9600 pro costs about the same as the 5600 ultra.

Ninoot
12-19-03, 11:09 AM
Gator- what's AA/AF ?

Gator
12-19-03, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Ninoot
Gator- what's AA/AF ?

Anti Aliasing and Antrioscopic Filtering. They are settings that affect the picture and detail quality. The higher the AA/AF settings, the finer the picture looks. But turning up AA/AF can lower your FPS (frames per second) and if you are a competitive online gamer then you might not care about AA/AF, so long as your FPS is as high as possible.

So in my case, although an FX5600Ultra would give a prettier looking picture than my TI4400, my TI4400 gives me the FPS I desire to compete in Unreal Tournament, hence I haven't bothered to make such an upgrade. You CAN have your cake and eat it too, but that would require an FX5900 upgrade and that's something neither you nor I can afford from the sound of it ;)

I explained that in very simple terms, but I hope it answered your question.

john19055
12-19-03, 11:57 PM
Out of them two the 5600ultra would be the best one ,but would'nt be really a upgrade if you have a TI4200,a 9600pro would be a better choice if you don't have the cash to get a 5900 non ultra IMO .

The Baron
12-20-03, 08:33 AM
I would try and find at least a 5700 Ultra. It's a nice speed boost over the 5600 Ultra, but then again, if you're going to get a 5700 Ultra, you could probably get the 5900SE for the same price.

Ninoot
12-20-03, 08:46 AM
aye John- only thing is I had a Geforce4 ti4200, then it died :( my mobo and vid card at same time...

so far I found decent prices at newegg.com on these cards suggested. I want the best FPS available, like Gator commented on...

My next question is- when Gator discussed the FPS- how do i check that on card? is that the bit number the cards state? or osme other label I am looking for... for example how can I tell between two cards which one has the better FPS? I don't care so much about picture quality- i know already trees and brush kill my framerate in the games...

btw- i just got a xmas bonus from work today! So... looks like I can spend a bit more on this... looks like my max can be about 200 dollars now, give or take some if I save a little longer, with that in mind, between 100 and 200 dollars, I need to find a card with very good FPS :)

Also how much of an increase in benchmark would you think I could possible expect on average?

Gator
12-20-03, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Ninoot
...I want the best FPS available, like Gator commented on...how do i check that on card?...I don't care so much about picture quality- i know already trees and brush kill my framerate in the games...my max can be about 200 dollars now...

FPS is not something they list in the description of a video card when selling it, it is determined by specs of the computer you are installing it in, and is found on games and benchmark programs like 3dmark. Generally the more powerful the card, the better the FPS (frame per second). However in the case of FX5600U vs GF4TI, the GF4TI can get higher FPS when the quality settings AA/AF are disabled.

Now the moment you said $200, that presents a whole new choice: FX5900 SE/non-ultra. It's only about $190 at http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=48&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=4828,3668 , and it will give you the FPS and quality you desire. It's the best damn deal going, asnd yes it's faster than the GF4TI and FX5600U. Enjoy! :)

trashcan
12-20-03, 09:58 AM
Dude go look at my post just below here, where I explain how to get BFG 5700Ultra for 160$ with boomslang mouse that you can sell on ebay for 40-70$,which will bring the price down even more. Yea I know know rebates suck, but BFG is a good company. I mean hell you could prob. sell BFG 5700U for 160$ brand new boxed on ebay,then sell the mouse for 60$(80$ retail for the mouse) and make 60$ ahead. Chi-ching $$$$$$

cthellis
12-20-03, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Ninoot
aye John- only thing is I had a Geforce4 ti4200, then it died :( my mobo and vid card at same time...

Can you RMA the 4200? Frankly, since you're worried about the cash outlay, you'd still get good performance (sans AA/AF) from the games you mentioned on the 4200. (You might also get a 5600-level card anyway.)

{Sniping}Waste
12-20-03, 04:21 PM
Newegg has a Radeon 9500 PRO for $180. That would be a good card with 8 pipelines and not 4 pipelines with the others.

Ninoot
12-20-03, 08:42 PM
cthellis:
I am not sure what you mean by RMA... but it died when old mobo died... then got a new mobo, and figured would try it in the new mobo (the geforce4) to make sure it was really dead and not just having probs with the old mobo... when we loaded the geforce4 into the new mobo, the computer would start up but screen was all scrambled, fuzzy and undecipherable. When putting in the new Geforce 5200 FX it worked fine, so new new mobo was fine but old geforce was not good.

Sniping: Whats a pipeline? :)

{Sniping}Waste
12-21-03, 10:39 AM
Pixle pipelines. The more pixle pipelines the faster the card at the same core speed. The GF4 are 4 Pipelines and the 5200FX is a 2 pipeline. The 9500 pro is a 8 pipeline and will be faster the the other mid range cards. Its a radeon 9700 but with 128 bit memory not 256 bit memory.

Malfunction
12-21-03, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by {Sniping}Waste
Newegg has a Radeon 9500 PRO for $180. That would be a good card with 8 pipelines and not 4 pipelines with the others.

Kinda funny... why even worry about it and for $9 more than you are suggesting he can get the: EVGA GeForce FX 5900SE, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "128-A8-N321", With Call Of Duty, -RETAIL (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-179&catalog=48&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1) right?

Peace,

:wtf:

{Sniping}Waste
12-21-03, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Malfunction
Kinda funny... why even worry about it and for $9 more than you are suggesting he can get the: EVGA GeForce FX 5900SE, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "128-A8-N321", With Call Of Duty, -RETAIL (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-179&catalog=48&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1) right?

Peace,

:wtf:

Funny how Nvidia has to hack there drivers to hack games to even come close to ATI and got to love Bilinear filtering and poor Pixle shader and Vertex shader speeds if not hacked to death. Yes Doom3 is hack to death to get its speed too (Carmack even said that he had to lower the IQ to get the speed up).


Ninoot the best info is to reed the review form many site look at all the good and bad and see whats best at the end. Don't lessen to fan boys from both side.:)

Malfunction
12-21-03, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by {Sniping}Waste
Funny how Nvidia has to hack there drivers to hack games to even come close to ATI and got to love Bilinear filtering and poor Pixle shader and Vertex shader speeds if not hacked to death. Yes Doom3 is hack to death to get its speed too (Carmack even said that he had to lower the IQ to get the speed up).


Ninoot the best info is to reed the review form many site look at all the good and bad and see whats best at the end. Don't lessen to fan boys from both side.:)

What's even better still is those sites that have reviewed the FX5900 as of late say it is a better deal than the 9600Pro/5700Ultras. A real Price/Performance piece of hardware.

You really should read the front page of nVnews.net from time to time. :D

Peace,

:afro:

{Sniping}Waste
12-21-03, 01:23 PM
I posted a Radeon 9500 Pro not a 9600 Pro and the 9500 Pro is faster.

Malfunction
12-21-03, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by {Sniping}Waste
I posted a Radeon 9500 Pro not a 9600 Pro and the 9500 Pro is faster.

By what margin as in pecentage?

Peace,

:afro:

{Sniping}Waste
12-21-03, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Malfunction
By what margin as in pecentage?

Peace,

:afro:

look here and read the whole review.
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/rv360/index.php?p=11

Malfunction
12-21-03, 02:20 PM
By 5 fps in most games and you consider that not in the same league? Wow, the 5900XT does better than both of them by 50% or more in the majority of the games out there and is in the same price range as both! :p

http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/geforcefx-5900xt/index.x?pg=1

Conclusions
If you've been following along, you've seen the GeForce FX 5900 XT simply dominate its $200 competition. Though the card is a little behind the Radeon 9600 XT in ShaderMark 2.0 and the "rthdribl" high dynamic range lighting demo, the 5900 XT makes up for it in nearly every other test. The fact that the 5900 XT is occasionally 50% faster than the 9600 XT is a little shocking, but it's certainly good news for gamers looking for great performance at an affordable price.

As good as the 5900 XT is, I feel for NVIDIA's partners who are also trying to sell 5700 Ultra boards. 5700 Ultras are retailing for just under $190 online, which wasn't a bad deal until the 5900 XT came along at roughly same price with much better performance and a copy of Call of Duty in the box. eVGA tells me that its 5900 XT-based GeForce FX 5900 SE is ready to ship, leaving really no reason to go with a 5700 Ultra unless those cards' prices fall dramatically.

The GeForce FX 5900 XT is no doubt a very fast, very affordable graphics option for enthusiasts and gamers on a budget, and right now I'd recommend it over the Radeon 9600 XT. However, I have some concerns about NVIDIA's lack of driver support for floating point texture formats, which could become a more important issue as more DirectX 9 titles come to market. Adding support for floating point texture formats apparently hasn't been a priority for NVIDIA's driver team, but it should be. Perhaps NVIDIA could take some time away from optimizing for 3DMark03 and dedicate more software engineers to floating point texture support.

Optimization jabs aside, NVIDIA has put together a sweet deal with its GeForce FX 5900 XT and Call of Duty bundling deal. Don't let eVGA's GeForce FX 5900 SE name fool you, either; this card is packing as much goodness as everyone else's 5900 XT cards.

Peace,

:afro:

Blacklash
12-21-03, 05:13 PM
I've seen the 5700u's as low as 140 right now. Still the evga 5900se for 189 over at newegg is a steal.

http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/gffx_5900xt(3).shtml

Here's how it compares to the 200usd and under crowd ^^

If you are a fan of 1600x1200 this is certainly the card for you.

EDIT!! They have the BFG 5900 at Fry's for 199.00, thats the one with the better ram, and a real life time warranty>

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3699455

I'd get that..

cthellis
12-22-03, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by Ninoot
cthellis:
I am not sure what you mean by RMA...

Return Merchandise Authorization. Basically, is it under warranty? Can you return it to the store or manufacturer for a replacement? Check up on that, as many times you are covered by the manufacturer without realizing it, and you may get a suitable replacement for less, and can wait for a bigger card purchase when other options are available, everything is cheaper, and you can better afford it.