Political preference?

[Kruno]

I love communism. Why? Well for 1 reason has anyone seen the female army march in China? They wear short skirts :eek:
So communism does have it's upsides as well :D

[sytaylor]

i dislike idealism... and thats all communism has ever been in the eyes of those who promote it... those who practise it proove time and time again that no matter what you try, it always works out worse for the civilians, because there is no such thing as equality

[vampireuk]

ahem, even thought communism has never been used those claiming to be communist were dictators

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by sytaylor
i dislike idealism... and thats all communism has ever been in the eyes of those who promote it... those who practise it proove time and time again that no matter what you try, it always works out worse for the civilians, because there is no such thing as equality

That's right. No system of government is perfect, but I sure as heck would take democracy over communism/socialism.

[vampireuk]

What about socialist elements like the NHS?

And no one start bitching about how bad it has been:p

I personally have had no problems with it at all

[jnd3]

Here, for fun take the World's Smallest Political Quiz...

http://www.self-gov.org/wspq.html

I landed near the border of right-conservative and libertarian -- on the right-conservative side (which was nearly enought to get me tarred and feathered last time we visited some friends in the UK...)

Cheers,
JND

[outriding9800]

Here is a another quiz... it is a bit longer...

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

i scored a liberal libertian ..

on the second one i socred the same..

and the closest political leader to me was Ghandi...

But i doubt ghandi played quake 3 :D


BTW Star Trek looks like they have Communism so i guess that is what we will be in a few hundred years ...

[Mod]

Originally posted by jnd3
Here, for fun take ...

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 80%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 40%.

That is , I am a left liberal, near the border of centrist and libertarian

[Feanor]

They both put me close to the center (centrist in the first case, and second no name given but close to it) though ironically the first test put me just one grid line to the left and one grid line to authoritarian from dead center; whereas the second test put me more to right and liberatarian, though not significantly off from the center (given the overall scale of the thing...

[thcdru2k]

According to your answers, your political philosophy is right-conservative.

Conservative
Right-conservatives prefer self-government on economic issues, but want official standards in personal matters. They want the government to defend the community from threats to its moral fiber.

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 40%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 80%.

looks like im in the minority of political philosophies.

[Mod]

Originally posted by outriding9800
Here is a another quiz... it is a bit longer...

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

i scored a liberal libertian ..

...

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.95

Close to Ghandi !

[Kruno]

This thread should be called:
A joke gone too far. lolz
I was kidding dudes.

[ExitWound]

According to your answers, your political philosophy is authoritarian.

Authoritarians want government to advance society and individuals through expert central planning. They often doubt whether self-government is practical. Left- authoritarians are also called socialists, while fascists are right-authoritarians.

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 40%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 0%.

I know nothing of politics though, and follow them not.

[DaveW]

but I sure as heck would take democracy over communism/socialism

A country can be democratic and socialist. The UK was very socialist until Thatcher came along and then things started to change. Following the end of WWII the UK was very left wing, but it was still a democracy at this time. The USA actually had war plans for invading the UK for fear they would one day become full blown commies and point their ICBMs the other way.

Anyway, my point is that communist/socialist ideals does not necessarily equal dictatorship, and conservative ideals do not always mean democracy. For example, look at a Monachy... Queen Lizzy the 1st ran the largest monopoly in the history of the British empire - the East India Trading Company. Her rule was not democratic or socialist.

The reason communist nations are usually dictatorships is because the switch to communism is usually a messy affair, plunging the country into anarchy, the types of conditions that megalomaniacs thrive in.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by DaveW

The reason communist nations are usually dictatorships is because the switch to communism is usually a messy affair, plunging the country into anarchy, the types of conditions that megalomaniacs thrive in.

and to quote myself

those who practise it proove time and time again that no matter what you try, it always works out worse for the civilians, because there is no such thing as equality

communism relies on everyone being equal which isnt possible, so why bother, socialist ideas are usually the "nice" ones, but they need to drag down the standard of everyones lives to meet the needs of a few... wheras the more democratic ideas push everyones lives, using those who suceed to fund those who dont.

Posted by vamp
ahem, even thought communism has never been used those claiming to be communist were dictators

and why do you think that is? marx claims the transformation of communist nations takes how many years? i think its something like 40... and in that time, when the country is in ruins, you reeeeeeally think nobody is going to take charge, or take advantage of the situation? hoenstley... you think NOBODY would EVER want it?? get real, we're talking humanity

communism doesn't work and cant work in todays world, give it up already.

Posted by vamp
What about socialist elements like the NHS?

And no one start bitching about how bad it has been

I personally have had no problems with it at all

and why should i take your experiences for fact? i think ill go with the countless people i know who have had horrible experiences, the massive waiting lists, and hell, even the independant tv shows exposing what its like in hospitals... you cant judge the nhs by your experiences of it alone

[vampireuk]

think ill go with the countless people i know who have had horrible experiences, the massive waiting lists, and hell, even the independant tv shows exposing what its like in hospitals... you cant judge the nhs by your experiences of it alone

Why should I take their experiences as what I should see the NHS as? of course I can use my own experience as a judge for what its like ffs.


and to quote myself

and thats all communism has ever been in the eyes of those who promote it... those who practise it proove time and time again that no matter what you try,

and why do you think that is? marx claims the transformation of communist nations takes how many years? i think its something like 40... and in that time, when the country is in ruins, you reeeeeeally think nobody is going to take charge, or take advantage of the situation? hoenstley... you think NOBODY would EVER want it?? get real, we're talking humanity

Funny by that talking you make it sound like it has actually been done, even though they were dictators. So there is no set example of communism in the world, just dictatorship

communism doesn't work and cant work in todays world, give it up already

Where did I say I want communism?:rolleyes:

[DaveW]

The stories of the NHS falling apart are almost as old as the NHS itself. It is a major political issue, no matter what party is in Downing street the other one will claim the NHS is in ruin and only by voting for them during the next general election will it be saved. "Buildings are crumbling, facilities are understaffed, everything is underfunded etc". They say the same thing about schools. If it were all true the UK would be back in the darkages by now.

Before the NHS was founded in 1948, the majority of people in the UK could not afford professional health care. They relied on traditional home remedies, which were often dubious at best, or free clinics with under qualified (or totally unqualified) doctors. People without family and unable to look after themselves (like the elderly and the mentally ill) usually ended up in some workhouse at a slaves wage or were locked away in a victorian era institution. The NHS fixed all that.

You can't judge the NHS by what you see on TV. If you are a reporter who wants to do a story on how bad the NHS is, you pick the worst hospital in the country at the worst time of the year to get a good scoop. You never see newspaper articles or TV reports on hospitals that are "pretty good on average" because it doesn't make a good story or fit with the reporter political ideas. For every documentary out now on the state of the NHS you will see that the reporter is a Conservative. And for every documentary release on the state of the NHS under John Major, you would see that it was produced by people who support Labor. Criticism of the NHS in the newspapers and on TV is ALL political.

I have a medical background that I would rather not go into detail about, but I had a lot of experience of the NHS as a patient and as an employee, it isn't as bad as people have been mislead into thinking by the media. When people measure the performance of the NHS they do so according to their own standards that they basically just make up. If you compare it against the health care in all the other countries of the world it is still near the top.

I know a reporter... he tells me that in any newpaper article or TV report, 25% of it is factual, 50% is exagerated, and the other 25% is completely made up.

Health care in the US has just as many problems... It is underfunded - Medicare health benefits are no longer enough for the elderly to get proper treatment. It is also understaffed, the average age for a nurse is now 47 and at current rates of increasing supply and demand american hospitals will be under staffed with nurses by upto 30% by 2020. American hospitals also have their fair share of lousy doctors and nurses, some of which have killed people who I care about through their own incompetence. Hospital buildings do get overcrowded in the USA too, with patients laying in corridors etc. America also has its share of crumbling 100 year old hospital buildings. I bet you that if you picked the right US hospital at the right time of year you could do a TV report on it and pass it off as a completely believable report on a UK hospital and the state of the NHS.

Every country's health care has its problems and has room for improvement... as long as human beings are mortal, health care will never be good enough. But generally speaking the health care in the UK and USA are still better than most countries in the world. Atleast you can be sure that you are treated by someone who has actually received a medical education (based on real science), who is sticking a needle in you that you know is sterilized, who is giving you drugs that are thoroughly tested and manufactured to a high degree of purity. In the majority countries in the world you don't get that.

[Mod]

Originally posted by sytaylor


communism relies on everyone being equal


So, could you explain me the communist idea of each person receiving according to its skills and need ? :confused:

Because from this, I understand that, for example, a skilled doctor would have more oportunities (not neceraly more money), than one with less skills. Or a man with more sons would earn more than one with less sons ( his needs for mone are higher), a disabled person would have an easier access to health, than one person that is not etc.

[outriding9800]

Originally posted by Mod


So, could you explain me the communist idea of each person receiving according to its skills and need ? :confused:

Because from this, I understand that, for example, a skilled doctor would have more oportunities (not neceraly more money), than one with less skills. Or a man with more sons would earn more than one with less sons ( his needs for mone are higher), a disabled person would have an easier access to health, than one person that is not etc.

He means that a person how cleans the peep show rooms in a porno theater is just as important as a brain surgeon ... :)

[LORD-eX-Bu]

I am a traditional conservative. I don't need no charts or quizzes to tell me that, I know it and I am proud of it.:D

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Communism isn't about being equal, it is about exploiting people for their basic human rights and giving the illusion that everyone can be equal. Remember, in order to make everyone equal, you will have to lower everyone to the level of the lowest person. Some people cannot be raised up to the level of others, why? because they are stubborn and everyone is different. Just imagine if there was some guy that was horribly crippled, in order for everyone to be "Equal" everyone who was not in the same condition as that man would have to be handicapped to his level. It is not fair, and it is not right. That is why, even pure communism will never work. Nobody is capable of living to the constraints of communism and it is impossible to do so.

[PsychoSy]

According to your answers, your political philosophy is centrist. Centrists favor selective government intervention and emphasize practical solutions to current problems. They tend to keep an open mind on new issues. Many centrists feel that government serves as a check on excessive liberty.

That's damn accurate!

Yes, this is a short and sweet reply to the topic at hand as I've had a rotten day, therefore, if I were to hop on the polical bandwagon today, MikeC will probably ban me for inciting a riot. :p :D

No foaming-at-the-mug PsychoSy today. ;)
Just gotta know when to say when, y'know.

[outriding9800]

No foaming-at-the-mug PsychoSy today

DAMMIT THAT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR :D

[sbp]

Originally posted by PsychoSy


That's damn accurate!

Yes, this is a short and sweet reply to the topic at hand as I've had a rotten day, therefore, if I were to hop on the polical bandwagon today, MikeC will probably ban me for inciting a riot. :p :D

No foaming-at-the-mug PsychoSy today. ;)
Just gotta know when to say when, y'know. Is this the rise of a kinder and gentler PsychoSy? http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/wink2.gif

[sbp]

http://www.self-gov.org/wspq.html

According to your answers, your political philosophy is libertarian.

Libertarian
Libertarians are self-governors in both personal and economic matters. They believe government's only purpose is to protect people from coercion and violence. They value individual responsibility, and tolerate economic and social diversity.

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 80%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 70%.

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