What do you guys expect about the NV30?

[demonized]

Do you think it would be 25-50% faster than the ATI's 9700?

[-=DVS=-]

i don't think anything about it :rolleyes: but if it is faster ill buy it , don't care much what company build it as long as it is faster :p

[LORD-eX-Bu]

I think it will be, seeing how it uses a .13 micron process and uses DDR 2. All things aside, I only have a Ti 4200, its time to upgrade soon, hope NV30 is out soon.

[[Corporal Dan]]

So what ARE the official specs?

I know it has 128bit mem bus, which is ****ty bandwidth..


Nothing more.

It may suck for that reason alone.

[thcdru2k]

how can you even be sure about the 128bit mem bus, but obviously i don't think nvidia would bother releasing it at all if it isn't the currently fastest graphics processor. of course its going to be faster than r9700. the question is when.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by thcdru2k
how can you even be sure about the 128bit mem bus, but obviously i don't think nvidia would bother releasing it at all if it isn't the currently fastest graphics processor. of course its going to be faster than r9700. the question is when.

then what are they going to release? nothing? what company do we know that followed that line of thinking, and where are they now :rolleyes:

nvidia needs a high end product, and with ATI attacking from all sectors(low, mid, high), their current lineup just doesn't cut it. nvidia doesn't even have a high end product compared to the competition. and with the R9500 coming out, that should put price/performance pressure on GF4.

[thcdru2k]

oh well than thats gonna be nvidias fault than. yeah they do need to release something, imagine, if it isn't even faster than a r9700, i don't think nvidia could handle all that criticism, they're going to take a lot of heat, and who would want to buy that, even if it was cheaper, it wouldn't be that much cheaper. either they produce or they go through a downfall. however i doubt that's going to happen. i think nvidia still has enough market share to release the card a little bit late, and still survive and not die like 3dfx.

[Smokey]

What do I expect from the NV30? Well one things for sure, I exspect it to be my next video card, I get every 1st Gen card skip the 2nd gen. My first card was the TNT1, then GeforceDDR, then GF3, so next is NV30 :D

[LORD-eX-Bu]

LOL, I went, S3 virge, S3 Savage thing, GF2, GF4. Whatever the NV30 is called, I'll buy it. LOL, wouldn't it be funny if they kept the name NV30? lol.:D

[DXnfiniteFX]

I think it will be the name of ATi's tomb.

[Uttar]

I expect it to have dynamic branching and i expect the R300 to have static branching ( i say "expect" for the R300 because online specs are so damn vague )

And why the heck do you think Carmack is doing his next-gen stuff based on NV30 and not on R300 since the R300 got most of what NV30 got and that the very fact R300 is DX9 gives a bigger market?

*cough* Dynamic Branching *cough* ( and some other stuff too, but i think it's mostly that )

In other words, i expect the NV30 not to be significantly faster than the R300 - but features will make the R300 look lame.


Uttar

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by Uttar
In other words, i expect the NV30 not to be significantly faster than the R300 - but features will make the R300 look lame.


And this could be exactly the thing that will hurt NVIDIA. If the NV30 is not faster by at least 20% without having significantly improved image quality, a lower price or both I think NV's market share will go down in a hurry. This is going to be a make or break product, no question.

OT - I hope they do keep the name NV30, I like it. :D

[jbirney]

And this could be exactly the thing that will hurt NVIDIA. If the NV30 is not faster by at least 20% without having significantly improved image quality, a lower price or both I think NV's market share will go down in a hurry. This is going to be a make or break product, no question.

I am not so shure it will have that much better image quality in games for a long time. Yes it will have some CFx enhancements but thats not what all of us will care about as we are gamers, right? I can see it having an x16 AF with the AA being the unknow. Currenly the R9700 can do a x6 AA which is pretty darn good looking. Will nV30 do an x8 or x16? Cost? I think its going to be MORE money. They are still having yeild issues so they wont be able get the econimes of scale yet. Yes the .13u will allow for a cheaper part but that only applies if they get good yeilds. Then factor in high speed DDR2 and we are looking at a $400 MSRP or higher. Meanwhile R9700 sell fo about $300ish on-line now so that puts even more pressure on NV30. However I think nV30 will be a nice card and worth the money.

[nutball]

Originally posted by Uttar
I expect it to have dynamic branching and i expect the R300 to have static branching ( i say "expect" for the R300 because online specs are so damn vague )

And why the heck do you think Carmack is doing his next-gen stuff based on NV30 and not on R300 since the R300 got most of what NV30 got and that the very fact R300 is DX9 gives a bigger market?

*cough* Dynamic Branching *cough* ( and some other stuff too, but i think it's mostly that )

In other words, i expect the NV30 not to be significantly faster than the R300 - but features will make the R300 look lame.


Uttar

Oh brother. I bet he wishes he'd never said that.

Do you really think that by the time Doom 5 development starts that the differences between R300 and NV30 will be of sufficient significance to dictate the choice of one over the other as the baseline technology?

The point he was making (or shall I say the way I understood what he said) was that the next-generation of engine after Doom 3 will be based on what NV3x/R3xx bring to the table as compared to NV2x and R2xx. In other words floating-point buffers and big-time programmability via an HLSL.

[kingsna]

ok i expect NV30 to be faster than ATI's 9700 Pro but i won't buy it!

why? simple really!
all that CineFX that they're so damn proud of don't/won't mean jack to us since the technology will not be used/adopted for atleast 6-9 months after DirectX9's release (were just recently seeing some games with directX 8.1 support and it's been more than 6 months since 8.1's release) and as far as i'm concerned, by the time we actually need directX 9 , we'll be looking at R350
and NV35 to be able to decently push all those shaded pixels for us so i'll keep my 9700 that i've bought for $325 and don't even think about those features that i'm not going to be able to use until NV30 is a low end card and NV35 and R350 are out with
directX 9.1 support which i'm going to skip since my LCD screen's Max resolution is 1024x768 and i think 9700 pro can handle every new game in that resolution with 6X AA and 16X AF so i can skip a generation right into NV40 and R400.

is this a good investment or what?

Peace!

[borntosoul]

i agree kingsna ,if ya want a good dx9 card wait for nv 40 or r400 ,by that time at least there will be some games out that will make use of it , and they will be third generation so they should have any probs ironed out by then. but if ya want a great card now thats fast and has great features and u will keep a 2 years i dont see no harm in buying a 9700 or a nv30:)

[***CENSORED***]

I hoping for 50% to 100% increase:cool:

[[Corporal Dan]]

I think it may be disappointing like the parhelia

Brilliant features, low speed.

Overall bad execution

[Uttar]

Originally posted by kingsna

all that CineFX that they're so damn proud of don't/won't mean jack to us since the technology will not be used/adopted for atleast 6-9 months after DirectX9's release


You're forgetting something: if nobody ever introduces that technology, it's NEVER going to be adopted. So at least, you shouldn't say nV is being too proud of what they did.

They're introducing excellent technology in the market even if it won't be used in a long while. But if they didn't introduce it, that "while" would have been a LOT longer.


Uttar

[borntosoul]

yeh uttar i agree on that we have to let the chicken lay the egg and wait for it to hatch :) their has to be a starting point ,i hope we get some cool demos form ati or nvidia showing what dx9 can do at least that would make some waves till the games come out

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by Uttar

They're introducing excellent technology in the market even if it won't be used in a long while. But if they didn't introduce it, that "while" would have been a LOT longer.


Uttar

And you're forgetting something... NVIDIA's not introducing it, ATI already did. There is very little difference between the CineFX "architecture" and what the R300 is capable of. Higher precision color (integer and fp), floating point pipelines, longer shader instructions, etc. etc... already been done.

What can the NV30 offer now that is really new?

[Uttar]

Originally posted by Bigus Dickus


And you're forgetting something... NVIDIA's not introducing it, ATI already did. There is very little difference between the CineFX "architecture" and what the R300 is capable of. Higher precision color (integer and fp), floating point pipelines, longer shader instructions, etc. etc... already been done.

What can the NV30 offer now that is really new?

For the last time: Dynamic Branching.

How many times am i gonna have to repeat that? :)
Dynamic Branching enables much better batching AND much more flexibility for the devs.

Also, but this is just speculation ( and i refuse to do crow eating if this part is wrong! ) , it's likely nVidia will increase the number of polys per call they suggest.

nVidia suggested minimum few hundred polys per call. Now ATI is suggest several hundreds. With the NV30, maybe it'll be more than a thousand.

However, that wouldn't give any real performance advantage to today's games which already got that hundred polys/call goal.


And as i said billions of times already, Dynamic Branching, if you want to use if in the way it was meant to be used, requires a full remake of the architecture.

And that's why any manager suggesting an expansion pack including full dynamic branching support should be fired on the spot IMO.


Uttar

[Bigus Dickus]

So dynamic branching is what makes the NV30 the greatest contribution to the graphics community in the past 10 years? :confused:

[Megatron]

Originally posted by Bigus Dickus
So dynamic branching is what makes the NV30 the greatest contribution to the graphics community in the past 10 years? :confused:

I believe when that bold statement was made, It was made with very little to no Information, or Misinformation on what the R300 would bring. (personally i believe the rumors that the Nv30 had to be retooled when Nvidia saw the R300, just like 3DFx had to do with Rampage again and again against the Gf/Gf2 assault)

Who knows. When the card is out, see if they still claim that bold statement..or if it just fades into PR obscurity.

[gemini1313]

i expect it to be faster than r300 certainly, but more importantly i expect to have alot more features and processing power.

i expect it to be atleast 100% faster than the ti4600 with bells and whistles in currect games with it leaving it behind in the dust in future games.