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ClearDark
01-04-04, 06:39 PM
First off, I dont have an AGP slot. I know I should try to buy a new system yadda yadda, but this new DELL has no AGP slot. Who sells a new computer without an AGP slot? Dell does:rolleyes:

Anyways, I currently have a 5200fx that sucks badly (128mb)

Is there a better PCI card in the FX series? Does the 5600/5700 have a PCI version ? If so link please.

Thanks

saturnotaku
01-04-04, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by ClearDark
Is there a better PCI card in the FX series?

Nope. You said your system is new, I'd say try to return it.

DestumteseL
01-04-04, 07:00 PM
You just have to set up ur graphics card to run good, i have a 5200 and it works fine.

ragejg
01-04-04, 07:09 PM
the best PCI cards are the FX5600 PCI (quite an improvement over the 5200 PCI in terms of capabilities), and the ATI Radeon 9100 PCI, which pretty much IS the fastest all around PCI card...

the 9100 is capable of ~8000 3dmarks ('01) in a P4 2.6 ghz system... somehow ATI got the R200 core to kinda like the PCI bus...

ClearDark
01-04-04, 07:30 PM
Nope. You said your system is new, I'd say try to return it.

It is new, but I just passed me 30 day mark so I cant return it.

Rage, newegg has a Radeon 9200 SE PCI. Any better?

Also, I found http://www.ocie.com/metacart/product.asp?intProdID=371

That a good deal?

I think im gonna buy the 5600 pci. Core/Memory is faster, so I think it will improve overall.

Or do you think I should go Radeon 9200? Give me some more ideas :)

ragejg
01-04-04, 07:38 PM
9200SE=NOPE... poopy 64 bit memory inrterface...

A regular 9000 or 9200 PCI is not as powerful as a 9100... dang naming system... :rolleyes:

...but a 5600 PCI would be nice as well... IF it has a 128 bit memory bus...

Gator
01-04-04, 08:16 PM
best PCI video card is the Visiontek R9100 128DDR (http://12.36.43.136/9100_128_agp.html)

it has 128bit memory bus, while many other PCI cards only have 64bit memory bus

I know you asked for Geforce, so the only ones at GF4MX or FX5200 non-ultra, but honestly none are desireable compared to the R9100. It GREATLY outperforms them when it comes to PCI cards.

ClearDark
01-04-04, 08:21 PM
Same link as posted before..

http://www.ocie.com/metacart/product.asp?intProdID=371

INNO3D NVIDIA GEFORCE FX 5600 128mb retail PCI VIDEO CARD

Or should I get the Radeon?

The Geforce fx 5600 IS indeed 128mb, but if the Radeon 9100 performs close to it, then im not going to buy it.

Also, anyone post a link to where I can buy the radeon 9100 pci?

Thanks

digitalwanderer
01-04-04, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Gator
best PCI video card is the Visiontek R9100 128DDR (http://12.36.43.136/9100_128_agp.html)

it has 128bit memory bus, while many other PCI cards only have 64bit memory bus

I know you asked for Geforce, so the only ones at GF4MX or FX5200 non-ultra, but honestly none are desireable compared to the R9100. It GREATLY outperforms them when it comes to PCI cards.
This one? (http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4924) If so $70 seems like a pretty good price. :)

Gator
01-04-04, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
This one? (http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4924) If so $70 seems like a pretty good price. :)

yep, that's a good one, although definetly try to find a 128DDR version (assuming they make one in PCI, I'm not sure)

ClearDark
01-04-04, 08:35 PM
If I can find the PCI 128mb im gonna get that.

If not, then Geforce FX 5600 128 pci it is :)

thanks guys

EDIT: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00009ZUME/qid=1073270193/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2_etk-electronics/104-4094756-1616754?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282

Go for it?

EDIT: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=585202&sku=V261-3018%20W

69.99 at tigerdirect. Thats what im getting:)

Gator
01-04-04, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by ClearDark
... http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=585202&sku=V261-3018%20W

69.99 at tigerdirect. Thats what im getting:)

EXCELLENT DEAL! For a PCI card, that sounds good :)

digitalwanderer
01-04-04, 10:55 PM
Double-check me; but isn't that a full-blown, fixed-up, 128Mb 8500 with the wrong number on it?!?!

Sweet little card, I wouldn't mind having one of 'em to play with. :)

ClearDark
01-04-04, 11:27 PM
hehe thanks :)

I'll be eager to see how it performs in CoD.

If it doesnt, RMA it back and try the Geforce FX 5600 pci 128.

Im sure the ATI will be fine, they have a good name.

EDIT: you gotta be ****ting me...its gone!!

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:(

Looks like I'll be paying 89.99$

Mloot
01-04-04, 11:53 PM
It's a little old now, but here is a review that shows both the 9100 PCI and FX 5600 PCI:



Link to PCI video card review (http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=445)


AFAIK, there are only two places in the U.S. to purchase the FX 5600 PCI, one being OCIE (http://www.ocie.com/metacart/product.asp?intProdID=371) and the other being Amamax (http://www.amamax.com/ge56pciwdddv.html). I have actually bought a 5600 PCI from both companies, and with the prices being so similar, I would have to tip my hat to Amamax. I didn't really have any problems with OCIE, except for a big lack of communication. They only answer e-mails (phone support is virtually non-existant), and sometimes may take a couple of days to reply, whereas Amamax actually lists there number on their site and I have had no trouble getting ahold of them in the past. If you do order from Amamax, call ahead to make sure that they have the 5600 PCI in stock. Since it's such a rare card in the U.S., they tend to sell their on-hand stock fairly quickly after getting in a new shipment, but they also tend to get regular shipments of new stock, so there shouldn't be too long a wait if they are OOS.

Hope that helps a little.

Btw, the benches for the FX 5600 PCI are a little better with the 52.xx series drivers than they were with the 45.23's that were used in the review. 3DMark2001SE went up to 6800 from the score you see in the review, and 3DMark2003 also increased by 200 points. Didn't have a chance to try the newest 53.xx drivers.

ClearDark
01-05-04, 12:02 AM
Wow! Thanks alot that article is exactly what happened to me, lol.

Thats very good. Im still deciding what to buy. I may try ATI 9100 first, and if its dookie try the GF 5600. thanks :)

Gator
01-05-04, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by ClearDark
...9100 first, and if its dookie try the GF 5600. thanks :)

I suspect both are on par with each other, because I know in the AGP versions, that a FX5600 non-ultra is about the smae DX8 performance as a GF3TI. And since the R9100/R8500 (practically the same card) were designed to compete with the GF3TI, it's a safe assumption that FX5600 non-ultra is on par with the R9100, AGP or PCI versions.

just my theory though ;)

ragejg
01-05-04, 07:35 PM
I completely agree with your angle on that, Gator.

:)