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A-KO
09-30-02, 07:21 PM
OH BOY!

I've had so much FUN with tthese drivers *coughs* NOT.

Where should I begin?

I purchased a Geforce 4 last week, installed it, annd noted the drivers were not correctly detecting the video memory. I figured it could be motherboard-related, so I went ahead and flashed the video bios on the card. The card's bootup screen reports 128MB, it's fine.

Check 1 done.

Then I thought maybe a bug with the AGP mode, so I set to 2x. Yippee! It worked! Thought it was working great......I was wrong. Within a few reboots once again it detected only 64MB of the 128MB card.

Next on the list to try was a reformat, so I reformatted and reinstalled Windows. Reinstalled the 40.71s and it worked in AGP4x mode, just fine.

WRONG AGAIN!

After a bit, it's only detecting 64....so this time around I decided to install the Asus drivers....This time around, "This Device Cannot Start". I reinstalled Windows *again*.

This time II installed 30.82, and low annd behold, absolutely 0 PROLEMS! It detected everything correctly, ran great.

by this time Unwinder(creator of rivatuner) had responded to me on the issue and helped me see what the problem was.....so this time I reinstalled 40.71, and let it screw up the detection. Rivatuner still reports the NV_FP_CSTAT value as 08000000. This is the correct value, the det 40.xx only sees 04000000 from somwhere.

I then went to uninstall 40.71, once again got "This Device Cannot Start". Not for the default driiver, not for 30.82.....I just reinstalled 40.71 and it installed correctly and thankfully is working, but still with only 64MB detection.

In the end, 40.xx are BS drivers until Nvidia fixes this mess, I've had TONS of fun with them.

Conclusion:

40.xx are laced with problems. Gamma/Game probs in earlier versions. Control panel problems. Memory Detection problems(reported by another user but said 40.71 fixed it), and uninstallation problems. 30.82 worked fine, yes, FINE. No problems. No detection issues, nothing. They ran fine.

The Baron
09-30-02, 07:54 PM
40.xx are laced with problems.

Uhhh... duh? Some people have an insane amount, others have none--it's just like any piece of beta software.

A-KO
09-30-02, 08:18 PM
Well then don't jump on ATI's case for crap ass drivers, because it's obvious Nvidia has probably matched ATI with this set.

saturnotaku
09-30-02, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by A-KO
Well then don't jump on ATI's case for crap ass drivers, because it's obvious Nvidia has probably matched ATI with this set.

But at least you were able to fall back to a perfectly functional set of drivers. You've not been hung out to dry. This is why I get on ATI's case because I was never able to find a set to fall back on in case I ran into problems future releases. Your card works fine on those drivers and when the next set comes out, you can try those. Me, I had problems with the 40.41 and 40.52 sets. 40.71's are working great for me so far. Such is the nature of leaked drivers.

A-KO
09-30-02, 09:13 PM
Actually, I'm not...i haven't been able to fall back...upon the removal of 40.71, I cannot install anything else. I'm locked onto 40..71 until Nvidia can provide some fix or unless I reformat the system.

thcdru2k
09-30-02, 09:18 PM
??? you can't fall back? try uninstall your drivers completely, either yourself or detonator destroyer. revert to the regular vga driver. than try reinstalling your detonators. if you follow that process there should be no reason the dets should be working. if they don't its probably not a detonator problem, but a xp problem, your system could be hosed, and what not.

skipparoo
09-30-02, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by saturnotaku


But at least you were able to fall back to a perfectly functional set of drivers. You've not been hung out to dry. This is why I get on ATI's case because I was never able to find a set to fall back on in case I ran into problems future releases. Your card works fine on those drivers and when the next set comes out, you can try those. Me, I had problems with the 40.41 and 40.52 sets. 40.71's are working great for me so far. Such is the nature of leaked drivers.

More importantly than being able to fall back on functional drivers; nVIDIA actually fixes the problems quickly and leaks the set to the public for testing. We all know these leaks are organized. Sometimes it may take a little while, but in the case with the 40.xx drivers, nVIDIA did a pretty good job eliminating the problems with UT2003 for example and releasing them. This is something you'll never see with ATi, unless there was a major flaw somewhere, but frequent driver releases from ATi are virtually non-existent.

-Skippy

thcdru2k
09-30-02, 10:04 PM
or maybe they have some high security team watching their driver and developer making sure they don't leak drivers ! haha

saturnotaku
09-30-02, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by skipparoo
This is something you'll never see with ATi, unless there was a major flaw somewhere, but frequent driver releases from ATi are virtually non-existent.

-Skippy

Eight months ago I would have agreed with you. Fact it, ATI is releasing drivers just as often (sometimes moreso) as NVIDIA. ATI had an official driver release in August I believe and they just put out the 7.77 drivers within the last week and I think there was another release even between those. So they're on a release cycle of every 3-4 weeks and it's been fairly consistent. Now whether the drivers work properly or not is the big question, not whether they're releasing them or not.

thcdru2k
09-30-02, 10:31 PM
oh well, its like that for everything, some people will have their problems with drivers, hardware, and than say the quality is crap, yet some people will have no problems with drivers, hardware, and claim their stuff is better than the rivals. it seems like an ongoing arguement here around these forums. why can't we all just agree to disagree.

The Baron
09-30-02, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by A-KO
Well then don't jump on ATI's case for crap ass drivers, because it's obvious Nvidia has probably matched ATI with this set.

I'm going to introduce you to a new word.

Beta.

C'mon, say it with me.

Be-ta. "Mostly working, but still under test."

Meaning--they ain't real drivers, if you don't like em, then install old ones. If you can't, you have screwed up somewhere big time.

Simple as that. Saying "Oh, I can't install old drivers WAAAAAAH" is a cop out, because you apparently haven't even run the 30.82 installer... yeah, it REPLACES the drivers. Wow. Big concept.

Sheesh. At least nVidia still has the 30.whatever-they-are-nows up.

StealthHawk
10-01-02, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by A-KO
Well then don't jump on ATI's case for crap ass drivers, because it's obvious Nvidia has probably matched ATI with this set.

there's a reason these drivers aren't official. no one forced you to try them out. personally i would never use "public beta" drivers. stick to official releases or leaks.

SavagePaladin
10-01-02, 05:30 AM
They needed to shove out the 40s to prove to people that they were working on something sigificant...they succeded there. When they work, they're wonderful.

When they don't....well thats obvious.

No probs with any 40.s here

A-KO
10-01-02, 05:57 AM
Give it all you need but if they paste in big letters on a press release on their front page stating how great these drivers are, then they are advertising non-beta software.

Btw, just fyi, their press release that they put on the front page says absolutely nothing about them being 'beta'.

SavagePaladin
10-01-02, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by A-KO
Give it all you need but if they paste in big letters on a press release on their front page stating how great these drivers are, then they are advertising non-beta software.

Btw, just fyi, their press release that they put on the front page says absolutely nothing about them being 'beta'.
The driver page did and still does, so why do I care again?

StealthHawk
10-01-02, 06:16 AM
of course nvidia is coming up with some PR shadow moves, they have every reason to do so. ATI is on the attack, and so far nvidia has...nothing to counter with :p

anyway, what SavagePaladin said. the driver download page clearly says that the drivers are beta as well as not being WHQL certified.

A-KO
10-01-02, 07:36 AM
Again, it gives no right to blast ATI for 'shoddy drivers' when Nvidia takes it upon themselves to do the very same thing.

As for the forumm posts, I just love how people are quick to say "That's beta drivers for u" rather than actually try to offer some assistance on getting this infectious disease off of my system.

SavagePaladin
10-01-02, 07:48 AM
I don't see how 'shoddy drivers' and 'shoddy betas' are the same thing...
I'm going to be exiting this thread now....have fun.
I don't like rabid people much.

detonator destroyer should work, if not, how the hell would I know. every computer is different

thcdru2k
10-01-02, 08:28 AM
funny, i don't think this was a legitimate post asking for questions looking for a serious answer, interesting how the same people always want to start the ati vs nvidia arguement but in different post. lame if you ask me.

A-KO
10-01-02, 09:55 AM
Oh it was....but for the fact that I've gotten a lack of any intelligent and helpful answers, I decided to bring up the fact that immediately upon anyone bringing up such problems with ATI's drivers, any one of these posters would be the first to say "Well ATI has been known for crap drivers." Becase in reality they don't know how to answer.

Btw, if any of you knew, Detonator destroyer is obviously not 40.xx compatible, and there isn't even official XP support.

Smokey
10-01-02, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by A-KO
Oh it was....but for the fact that I've gotten a lack of any intelligent and helpful answers, I decided to bring up the fact that immediately upon anyone bringing up such problems with ATI's drivers, any one of these posters would be the first to say "Well ATI has been known for crap drivers." Becase in reality they don't know how to answer.

Btw, if any of you knew, Detonator destroyer is obviously not 40.xx compatible, and there isn't even official XP support.

Why did you install BETA drivers then? I myself have used these drivers without one problem thus far. Maybe Im just lucky, or know what Im doing :confused:

The Baron
10-01-02, 04:55 PM
Why don't you post your system specs then if you're so concerned with getting help...

heh.

idiots.

A-KO
10-01-02, 05:58 PM
System specs have absolutely nothing to do with why the drivers are damaging the registry in a way so that older driver sets do not work. Add/Remove 40.71 onee time, watch what happens. The most that is important is that I'm using Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 1 and an Asus video card.

Motherboard bios, chipset drivers(even if they were available) are not important in this scenario.

A-KO
10-01-02, 06:04 PM
But if it's that important that you just absolutely have to know:

---------------
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 Ti 4200
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device ID: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0253&SUBSYS_803B1043&REV_A2
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 960 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: SyncMaster 905DF(X)/955DF(X), SyncMaster Magic CD195A(P)
Monitor Max Res: 1792,1344
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.13.10.3082 (English)
DDI Version: 8 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 7/16/2002 12:16:00, 3552826 bytes
Driver Signed: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD:
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 7/16/2002 12:16:00, 981466 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4113-11CF-F97F-31A000C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0253
SubSys ID: 0x803B1043
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result:
D3D7 Test Result:
D3D8 Test Result:

------------------
System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 10/1/2002, 19:00:47
Machine name: MIKE
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: AMIAMI
System Model: VANCOUVR
BIOS: AMIOEM - 20010419
Processor: Intel Pentium III, ~665MHz
Memory: 384MB RAM
Page File: 145MB used, 765MB available
Primary File System: n/a
DirectX Version: DirectX 8.1 (4.08.01.0810)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.01.2600.1106 32bit Unicode

And now for Rivatuner's output:

$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : unknown
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 8086 (Intel)
$0400000002 Device ID : 2501
$0400000003 AGP bus : revision 2.0
$0400000004 AGP status : enabled
$0400000005 AGP rate : 1x 2x 4x supported, 4x selected
$0400000006 AGP SBA : supported, enabled
$0400000007 AGP FW : supported, enabled
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 0253
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : AGP revision 2.0
$0000000005 AGP status : enabled
$0000000006 AGP rate : 1x 2x 4x supported, 4x selected
$0000000007 AGP SBA : supported, enabled
$0000000008 AGP FW : supported, enabled
$0000000009 Base address 0 : fd000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : d0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : dc480000 (memory range)
$000000000c Base address 3 : none
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : none
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : NV25 revision A2
$0100000001 Hardwired ID : 0253
$0100000002 Memory bus : 128-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR (RAM configuration 0b)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 131072KB
$0100000005 Core clock : 249.750MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 222.750MHz (445.500MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz
$0100000008 Maximum Fvco : 900.000MHz
$0100000009 Core PLL Fvco : 499.500MHz
$010000000a Memory PLL Fvco : 445.500MHz
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA graphics processor registers
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0200000000 NV_PMC_BOOT_0 : 025300a2
$0200001080 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_0 : 00000000
$0200001084 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_1 : 00005749
$0200001088 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_2 : 000211f0
$020000108c NV_PBUS_DEBUG_3 : 000000d1
$02000010b0 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_CTRIM_0 : 00000000
$02000010b4 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_CTRIM_1 : fde00000
$02000010b8 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_CTRIM_2 : f2100000
$02000010bc NV_PBUS_DEBUG_CTRIM_3 : 00000000
$02000010c4 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_CTRIM_4 : 20012001
$02000010c8 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_CTRIM_5 : 000440ff
$02000010cc NV_PBUS_DEBUG_CTRIM_6 : 00000000
$02000010e0 NV_PBUS_DEBUG_PRIV_ASRC : 00000000
$0200100000 NV_PFB_BOOT_0 : 00000000
$0200100080 NV_PFB_DEBUG_0 : e0000000
$0200100200 NV_PFB_CFG : 000f0003
$020010020c NV_PFB_CSTATUS : 08000000
$0200100220 NV_PFB_TIMING0 : 5554900e
$0200100224 NV_PFB_TIMING1 : 02552150
$0200100228 NV_PFB_TIMING2 : 081210bf
$02001002c0 NV_PFB_MRS : 00000032
$02001002c4 NV_PFB_EMRS : 00100002
$0200101000 NV_PEXTDEV_BOOT_0 : 98c471af
$0200680500 NV_PRAMDAC_NVPLL_COEFF : 00012502
$0200680504 NV_PRAMDAC_MPLL_COEFF : 00002102
$020068050c NV_PRAMDAC_PLL_COEFF_SELECT : 10000700

thcdru2k
10-01-02, 06:35 PM
try removing the drivers references manually. they are in your system32 folder, and it is something in the extension of nv*.dll, set your vga to standard vga adapter, and than reinstall the detonators. should work