View Full Version : R500 info - OOOOHHH LORD!!!!
digitalwanderer
02-06-04, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by silence
all i can say is...WoooooooooooW!!!!!!!!:clap:
Here (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10164). (It's just an intro to this thread here (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10151), but it's short and a good intro. :) )
Malfunction
02-07-04, 12:35 AM
Great, so it will cost less to make and they will charge the same if not more I bet. :rolleyes: Interesting, but PR none the less. Some of ya should know a bit better considering how many Nvidia PR experts there are around here these days...lol
Peace,
:afro:
Ninja Prime
02-07-04, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by Nutty
Thats a mighty big jump for prescott, northwood was only around 60 million.
Most due to adding the extra 512kb of cache, thats like an extra 30 million transitors alone. Plus the new 31 stage pipeline, more L1 cache... etc. Too bad its slower than Northwood, morons and their crappy million stage pipeline! :fu:
Actually the known architectural implentations in prescott aren't what make up for most of the extra transistors.. the majority of them have been proven to be used for some mysterious thing which no one can confirm exactly what it is.
Of course this doesn't help the prescotts current situation as whatever this thing is, it's currently disabled.
Most of the extra tansistors in the K8 are for the large cahce, on-die mem controller and extra registeres ect for 64-bit.
P4EE(Gallatin) has 169 millions transistors..... :D :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Nutty
Thats a mighty big jump for prescott, northwood was only around 60 million.
the Northwood has 55 million transistors.
Originally posted by silence
all i can say is...WoooooooooooW!!!!!!!!:clap:
sounds and smells alot like bull##it,or alot like this >>>>>>>>>>
http://www.vanshardware.com/articles/2001/december/011203_Kentron_Q_AND_A/011203_Kentron_Q_AND_A.htm
saturnotaku
02-08-04, 12:17 PM
Interesting, but that technology is only part of the equation. The article specifically states Fast 14 does nothing for memory speed improvement. A 2 GHz GPU doesn't do you a whole lot of good if the memory is running at half that speed. ;)
Mariner
02-08-04, 01:09 PM
The article specifically states Fast 14 does nothing for memory speed improvement. A 2 GHz GPU doesn't do you a whole lot of good if the memory is running at half that speed.
As somebody over at B3D mentioned, this could be extremely useful for increasing the profitability of chips. For example, instead of producing a 75 million transistor mid-range chip with 4 pipelines, you could produce a 40 million transistor 2-pipelined chip and run it at twice the speed (I'm just pulling these figures out of the air, by the way! ;) ).
In other words, the performance wouldn't be any higher than the original card but it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to manufacture increasing profit margins greatly.
Similarly, a 4 pipeline chip running at 1GHz could provide better performance than R360 with many fewer transistors. It's all about the money baby! :)
silence
02-08-04, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Here (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10164). (It's just an intro to this thread here (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10151), but it's short and a good intro. :) )
if i dont post on beyond3d doesnt mean i am not registrated and i dont read it every day....
my first post here was just as i read it for first time......:p
Ninja Prime
02-08-04, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by saturnotaku
Interesting, but that technology is only part of the equation. The article specifically states Fast 14 does nothing for memory speed improvement. A 2 GHz GPU doesn't do you a whole lot of good if the memory is running at half that speed. ;)
True, but the cost-benefits as said by Mariner could allow them to use faster/more expensive RAM, and more RAM, and spend more money on more controllers for 512+ bit buses...
this tech doesnt sound like it would be coming in the r500 or r450 any time soon .. all these projects are well under way and they would have to spend a considerable time retooling these projects ...... and would push back xbox2 gpu to say the least .. this sounds like an r550 or r600 tech
just my two pennies
rets:afro2:
Lezmaka
02-08-04, 05:06 PM
Maybe it's just me, but it seems (just a gut feeling) that this is more for ATI's set-top box/PDA graphics/etc chip business than anything else. For some reason, whenever "consumer" is used with ati (or nvidia), it usually means things like set-top boxes/PDA stuff/etc.
SlyBoots
02-08-04, 05:40 PM
I think it's all about HDTV & the mandates that take place in the next few years....... http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040105/55184_1.html
The market potential is huge & using the Fast14 tech to reduce production costs is a smart move.....JMO;)
suburbanguy
02-18-04, 08:40 PM
Nutty wrote:
The Gamecube graphics chip which was designed by ATI has embedded frame-buffer in the core so its nothing new.
Wrong.
Gamecube's graphics chip was *not* designed by ATI. it was designed by ArtX, before ATI bought them.
Razor04
02-19-04, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by suburbanguy
Wrong.
Gamecube's graphics chip was *not* designed by ATI. It was designed by ArtX, before ATI bought them.
This is pretty much an academic distinction in my eyes now. I mean come on lets face it...ATI is pretty much ArtX in disguise now. Acquiring ArtX is probably the absolute best thing that they have done in a very long time.
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