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poursoul
02-03-04, 12:36 PM
No HL2 untill summer at least

Read it here (http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/02/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/).

MUYA
02-03-04, 12:39 PM
Apparently Arx Fatalis devs have licensed the HL2 engine for their game....if u have heard of arx Fatalis

:D

digitalwanderer
02-03-04, 12:47 PM
Thanks Poursoul.

On the brightside I finally got to use the http://www.elitebastards.com/forum/images/smiles/lame.gif emoticon on the frontpage over at Elite Bastards. :)

Malfunction
02-03-04, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by poursoul
No HL2 untill summer at least

Read it here (http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/02/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/).

I'm anxious for the release of the game. Not because of the game, graphics or DX9 shaders. I'm interested to see what hacks occur when people play online. I'm just curious to see what the everlasting effects will be because of it (Source being stolen) or if infact it was all a plot to buy more time?

I really can't understand why anyone would still be interested in it if the source was leaked, unless they will be able to create better security for online gaming.

Like I said, I wanna see what happens after it is released. Maybe a month after, I dunno.

Peace.

:afro:

stncttr908
02-03-04, 01:31 PM
I'm not quite sure I care anymore. :rolleyes:

poursoul
02-03-04, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by stncttr908
I'm not quite sure I care anymore. :rolleyes:

with you all the way man, note my lack of emotion.

digitalwanderer
02-03-04, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by OWA
Maybe they should have just shipped the single player version without a rewrite and released the multiplayer much later...kind of like what Unreal II did. At least that way the people that are only interested in the single player part wouldn't be annoyed by having to wait so long for the multiplayer to be rewritten.
IF the single player version is finished.... :bleh:

mrsabidji
02-03-04, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Thanks Poursoul.

On the brightside I finally got to use the http://www.elitebastards.com/forum/images/smiles/lame.gif emoticon on the frontpage over at Elite Bastards. :)

Elite Bastards has a frontpage ? :wtf:
Seriously, I never noticed there were that many news on EB frontpage (too lazy to scroll down)... er... that's a lot of news, congratulations. :D

Back on topic, I really wonder why we keep on talking about HL2... it's not exciting in any way. I mean, we kind of know what it's gonna be like (gameplay, graphics, tech...) so there's not much left to be learnt or to speculate about, and we know the game won't be released before a long long time...
So, HL2 got delayed again... whoa, hot news !
boooooring.

mrsabidji

poursoul
02-03-04, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by mrsabidji
Elite Bastards has a frontpage ? :wtf:
Seriously, I never noticed there were that many news on EB frontpage (too lazy to scroll down)... er... that's a lot of news, congratulations. :D

Back on topic, I really wonder why we keep on talking about HL2... it's not exciting in any way. I mean, we kind of know what it's gonna be like (gameplay, graphics, tech...) so there's not much left to be learnt or to speculate about, and we know the game won't be released before a long long time...
So, HL2 got delayed again... whoa, hot news !
boooooring.

mrsabidji

That's just it, all the news to report is when it will be released. And there you have it.

Edge
02-03-04, 05:43 PM
Wow, people here sure are impatient. So what, a game is delayed and all the sudden you don't care about it anymore? If that's the opinion people took before, then noone would've cared about Half-life 1 when it was released (which was delayed for over a year). I'm just trying to figure out where all the enthusiasm went for this game. I mean, it looks great, it does some amazing things not found in any other FPS, they have a legitimate reason for delaying it more (though I honestly doubt that even without the source code leak that it would've shipped before this month anyway), and yet it's the new Duke Nukem Forever in people's eyes.

And if we "kind of know what it's gonna be like", then why in the hell would ANYONE be interested in Doom 3 when the alpha for it has been out for over a year and a half? Hell, even looking at the newest information and screenshots/movies, it doesn't look like they've changed the basic gameplay from the alpha much (if at all). A few incomplete maps and a collection of a handful of weapons from Half-life 2 is hardly enough to tell what the game is going to be like. Hell, can anyone here even tell me the basic STORY of the game based on the alpha, like who the aliens are or what that mysterious tower is? And besides, isn't this the board that almost always answers people who base their opinions off of alphas that "it shouldn't be used as any indicator of what the final product will be like"? By compairison, we know a lot more about Farcry from the videos/pictures/demo that's been released.

But do you honestly think that hacks will still be a huge issue when the game is realeased? I mean they aren't just taking this time to sit on their butts, they're probably changing as much of the code as they can so they don't have a problem with hacks or anything, not to mention they've already said that the main coding for Steam wasn't leaked (and if it was it sure didn't affect the security in current Steam games), so they still have a very dependable platform to use against hacks in the game...IF they ever get it working right.

I'm trying to figure out why people are singling out Half-life 2 when every other big game that was supposed to be released last year was delayed into this year (Doom 3, Stalker, Farcry, hell even Halo 2). If you're going to ignore a game because it was delayed, there isn't much to look forward to.

saturnotaku
02-03-04, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Edge
I'm trying to figure out why people are singling out Half-life 2 when every other big game that was supposed to be released last year was delayed into this year (Doom 3, Stalker, Farcry, hell even Halo 2). If you're going to ignore a game because it was delayed, there isn't much to look forward to.

Simple - because Valve was promising through hell and high water to get the game out on Sept. 30. There were no such promises from any of the other games (except maybe Halo 2, but it's extremely unlikely that it will see the light of day on the PC). At least with Far Cry, though the full game won't be out for another six weeks, we have a fully playable demo. If there was an HL2 SP demo out now, I guarantee you more people would be excited about it. But since the whole hacking controversy we've basically heard jack and as a result we've moved on to more exciting things (Far Cry).

StealthHawk
02-03-04, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Edge
Wow, people here sure are impatient. So what, a game is delayed and all the sudden you don't care about it anymore? If that's the opinion people took before, then noone would've cared about Half-life 1 when it was released (which was delayed for over a year). I'm just trying to figure out where all the enthusiasm went for this game. I mean, it looks great, it does some amazing things not found in any other FPS, they have a legitimate reason for delaying it more (though I honestly doubt that even without the source code leak that it would've shipped before this month anyway), and yet it's the new Duke Nukem Forever in people's eyes.

When the developers keep quiet for so long, then proudly(arrogantly?) announce that it will ship on a certain day in a certain month, then miss that date and don't say anything people have a right to be pissed. No word on how close they are to completing the game, what still needs to be worked on, or when the game will be released. Not only that, but right up till September 30 we had assurances that the game would be on time. It obviously didn't go gold at any time during September, so it was pretty obvious the date would be missed.

To this day, we still don't know how finished the game was/is. Is Valve just rewriting parts of the game because of the source leak? Or were they never finished to begin with?

Eventually the party line from Valve became "the benchmark will be here on Sept30" and where did it go? No explanations about the lateness of the benchmark or the game. I guess they expect everyone to take for granted that because they got hacked the game will be delayed indefinitely and without reason or excuse. Does it really take over 7 months to re-secure the code? At this time all we know is that the game has will be delayed till May or beyond(7+ months). Not to mention all the talk about how the vaunted AI is really just scripted sequences.

I don't know when work on HL2 started, but HL1 is 5+ years old already. Where is Team Fortress2? Where is Condition Zero? Condition Zero went gold in October and it still is NOWHERE to be found. Didn't Valve say in October that the game would be available in mid November? I have never heard of a game going "gold" and still not being available almost 4 months later. What a perennial joke.

I'll probably still buy HL2 when/if it ever comes out, but there are other things to look forward to this year.

NAZCA M12
02-04-04, 08:40 AM
Well, i'm getting pretty disgusted with delays. Most new games get delayed at least once nowadays. I don't see why gamers should be that forgiving all the time. But since, we're talking about HL2, Valve/Vivendi promised a solid date and kept it until suspiciously late, when Sep 30th was looming, before they announced its delay (increased hype or pre-orders perhaps?) :mad: It's been quite some time, but the game keeps getting delayed.

After all these months, now i too doubt that the game would be ready at the promised date. The fact that Valve got a lucrative deal with ATI and all of a sudden every HL2 preview had a "HL2 preview powered by the new ATI..." and stuff like that, plus the vouchers, didn't help the situation. I say, with a clever marketing stunt, it is possible to create a good amount of hype on the market and preserve it. But the really hard thing is to earn the customers respect and (even harder) to maintain it. And Valve/Vivendi/ATI certainly lost a ****load of respect from my side.

Broadly speaking, i think publishers should be a lot more responsible on the dates they announce. And since they can't say an estimated date or release without asking the development studio first, the devs shouldn't commit themselves to certain dates that cannot be met. Having that in mind, i respect a lot more the "when its done" joke, than the "September 30th, guaranteed" one.

Personally, after this i'll definately wait a few months (years?) until the games initial price drops, then i'll consider buying it. Sounds hard to do? I don't give a damn, i'm fed up with their lies, i'll stick to it.

And Edge, it's not about being impatient (gamers), it's all about being responsible and frank (devs)...

digitalwanderer
02-04-04, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by mrsabidji
Elite Bastards has a frontpage ? :wtf:
That's my line! I think we may have a copyright infringement problem here... :|

Seriously, I never noticed there were that many news on EB frontpage (too lazy to scroll down)... er... that's a lot of news, congratulations. :D
Yeah, I blame Hanners. Ever since he got news posting privelages he's been a pain-in-the-ass to keep up with, he's ALWAYS beating me with stories! (But it's kind of fun to race him like that, it keeps it fresh & fast. :) ) I still can't believe I have unlimited posting privelages on the frontpage there, I'm just waiting for the day I abuse it. :lol:

Edge-It's not about gamers being impatient, it's about Valve lying to 'em about the release date and jerking them around so much. That just ain't cool. This is turning into a "Romano is going to make you his bitch!" type of PR with a release date. :roll:

Vash
02-04-04, 10:04 AM
Valve messed up, yes. Did they do it on purpose, to spite every single gamer on the face of the planet?

No. But a lot of people are acting like they did.


I'm excited about the game, but in a very laid-back sorta way. Once it goes gold, then I'm gonna be excited. It just really ticks me off when people go about saying how much they don't care, how much the game's gonna suck, how much Valve sucks, when their tune is going to do an about face the day the game's released.

digitalwanderer
02-04-04, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Vash
Valve messed up, yes. Did they do it on purpose, to spite every single gamer on the face of the planet?

No. But a lot of people are acting like they did.
We don't know if they messed up, if they did how or why, nor their reasons...that's a big part of the problem and the main reason for so much animosity against them right now. :(

Vash
02-04-04, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
We don't know if they messed up, if they did how or why, nor their reasons...that's a big part of the problem and the main reason for so much animosity against them right now. :(

That's true... I should amend my statement to say, "Did they? Probably not." I can't honestly see any company purposefully doing something like this to their customers, but anything can happen. I'd like to hear more from Valve about the whole thing, but they've been quiet - which I can respect.

But then, if it's a marketing and planning screw up, wouldn't it be a good idea to just shut the marketing guys up for a while and finish the game?


I don't know - I just don't have the energy for anything concerning this game, and I won't until the gold announcement is confirmed.

Kamel
02-04-04, 06:22 PM
i'm terribly disappointed in valve and halflife in general.

i downloaded the version (i know, forgive me father, for i have sinned), and i could tell from playing it that it was FAR from finished. would the hacker have given out old source code? i think not. if it was only some technical development source code and not the full thing like they claim, then why are they delaying the release because of it?

valve has left a lot of unanswered questions to me.... they are using the hacker as a crutch, god only knows what would have happened had they not been hacked... they would have had to of found another excuse.

i never thought about it by the way, i guess it is a possibility that they staged the whole thing.

oh well... personally, i will not be buying halflife2

StealthHawk
02-04-04, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
This is turning into a "Romano is going to make you his bitch!" type of PR with a release date. :roll:

That's Mr. John Romero :p And any poor sap who actually bought that horrible excuse for a game certainly was Romero's bitch!!!!!!!!!!11111

|JuiceZ|
02-04-04, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
That's Mr. John Romero :p And any poor sap who actually bought that horrible excuse for a game certainly was Romero's bitch!!!!!!!!!!11111

LOL! Got that riot.

btw, earlier you echoed my sentiments completely :thumbsup: I'll definitely pick it up once/if its released but theres plenty of other titles that we know will be released soon to look fwd too.

saturnotaku
02-05-04, 06:13 AM
From a story on IGN:

Very little news is better than no news at all, and PC gamers will be clinging to a small tidbit reported today in a CNN Money article: Valve has claimed that they are "currently targeting this summer for the completion of Half-Life 2."

Nothing more was reported about the game's release beyond this. However, it's the most information that has appeared since October's news of the Half-Life 2 code theft, which almost certainly delayed the game's release significantly. Since then, Valve has been deafeningly silent about their hugely anticipated sequel.

Since it made its surprise appearance at E3 2003, Valve's follow-up to the universally acclaimed Half-Life has become the title that PC gamers are waiting for. Valve's originally announced release date of September 30, 2003 seemed too good to be true, and indeed, the date came and went as hype and speculation about the game reached a zenith.

Amidst news of leaked game code and release delays of unspecified length, gamers have been left to pure speculation as to Half-Life 2 details and its future. Of course, the details left out of today's announcement are likely to trigger plenty of fresh speculation, rumors, and conspiracy theories.

Perhaps the safest speculation now is that, assuming Valve keeps its summer 2004 completion goal, we should at last be reunited with Gordon Freeman by autumn of this year. That, at least, is something to look forward to.

madmartyau
02-05-04, 07:18 AM
By the time it(HL2) comes out I will have spent my money on about half a dozen other games that will probably be better anyway.

DaveW
02-05-04, 08:50 AM
From the Inquirer


The piece suggests the delay in delivering game has been due to well-publicised theft of game's source code. Does that mean that when the code was nicked, it wasn't just copied, it was totally nicked, so that Valve had to start again from scratch? Hmm.


Valve are full of crap. Why can't they just admit that the game was nowhere near finished on the release date. Infact it was only 10% done. I doubt they can do the other 90% of this game by this summer either.

I am Jack's total loss of respect for Valve.

Vash
02-05-04, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
That's Mr. John Romero :p And any poor sap who actually bought that horrible excuse for a game certainly was Romero's bitch!!!!!!!!!!11111

I will have you knoe that Teh Remaro is stil awesome he is making games for the Nokia N-Gage and they are the best! I don't haev mine any more becuse Jerry saw a frog and ran aruond and sat on it becuase he is fat.

[/JeffK]

:D

UDawg
02-05-04, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by stncttr908
I'm not quite sure I care anymore. :rolleyes:

What's HL2? Is that anything like Duke Nukem Forever? :p


I could not wait for this game for the longests time. I am one of those people as I am sure most of you are that could not wait for TFC2 Brothers in Arms. 3 YEARS AGO!!!!! Meh I just don't care now either. I want Far Cry and hope the online play will sustain us.