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SuLinUX
02-21-04, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by zoomy942
engine? what does that mean?
In how the web browser renders webpages, IE is fastest because all pages are optimized for it and even the MS site mozilla/firefox/netscape dont render proper. If I was you I would'nt use IE anyway, firefox/mozilla are far better and have the added bonus of popup blocking.
the plugin that "allows" popups does not work for me,at all.i still have to manually add the web page i want to allow .../tools/options/web options
Has any one found any problems with performance with Mozilla. Especially on a laptop:(
I have two windows open and my lappy keeps freezing up and slowing down. Happen even more when I have it minimized, it slows down all other applications.
threedaysdwn
02-27-04, 09:45 AM
The engine is the method the program uses to render pages from HTML/script/etc. source into the page you see on the screen. IE's engine is the most efficient... as in, it renders pages to the screen faster than competing programs.
Most web designers develop their sites with IE in mind. Therefore, they test their products with IE first and foremost. In many cases, making a page look correct in IE will cause Netscape/Mozilla to display the page improperly (usually it's small stuff, like the positioning of text and/or images). IE is the industry standard renderer. Well-designed alternative browsers either use the IE engine (like avant) or mimic it (Konqueror).
Some browsers, like Mozilla, evangelize the fact that they use their own standard, called "W3C" (or World Wide Web Consortium). Basically it's a big group of Netscape supporters that wanted to change the way the web worked at a detriment to IE. Nowadays the W3C is pretty much ignored by all.
Anyone who thinks Mozilla is better because it doesn't render the majority of web pages correctly OR that it's the web author's fault and that every web page should adapt to suit Mozilla's need is a mindless fanboy.
For businesses, real open standards like ASP .NET are infinitely more important than some archaic CSS definition that differs ever so slightly from the established norm.
Nephilim
02-27-04, 10:26 AM
Are you a web designer?
Professionally?
I'm curious because your post doesn't reflect the ideals and practices of the many, many, many web designers I know, including myself.
Businesses like ASP and .NET because they are turn-key solutions. Not because they are standards.
Nephilim
02-27-04, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by de><ta
Has any one found any problems with performance with Mozilla. Especially on a laptop:(
I have two windows open and my lappy keeps freezing up and slowing down. Happen even more when I have it minimized, it slows down all other applications.
I've never run into this problem, but I have heard of this happening. You might try re-creating your profile.
Did you upgrade, or is it a fresh install?
GlowStick
02-27-04, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by threedaysdwn
The engine is the method the program uses to render pages from HTML/script/etc. source into the page you see on the screen. IE's engine is the most efficient... as in, it renders pages to the screen faster than competing programs.
Most web designers develop their sites with IE in mind. Therefore, they test their products with IE first and foremost. In many cases, making a page look correct in IE will cause Netscape/Mozilla to display the page improperly (usually it's small stuff, like the positioning of text and/or images). IE is the industry standard renderer. Well-designed alternative browsers either use the IE engine (like avant) or mimic it (Konqueror).
Some browsers, like Mozilla, evangelize the fact that they use their own standard, called "W3C" (or World Wide Web Consortium). Basically it's a big group of Netscape supporters that wanted to change the way the web worked at a detriment to IE. Nowadays the W3C is pretty much ignored by all.
Anyone who thinks Mozilla is better because it doesn't render the majority of web pages correctly OR that it's the web author's fault and that every web page should adapt to suit Mozilla's need is a mindless fanboy.
For businesses, real open standards like ASP .NET are infinitely more important than some archaic CSS definition that differs ever so slightly from the established norm. As i make web pages for my job, i can gaurentee you that IE causes headaches because it dose not conform to *gasp* standards. When i had to add a form inside a table, it works fine in Opera, and Mozilla based browsers, but it would not work in IE, for some reaosn IE kept resizing the table to a werid size. What was the workaround? Simply to IMPROPERLY use HTML code, i had to leave the form tag open.
Now since most users do use IE web developers are forced to write crapppy ****ed up code just to make it look even decent in IE, witch conviently makes it not work with every other browser on this planet. (Opera, Mozilla, Konquer, and the mac one)
Ie is teh gay.
Originally posted by threedaysdwn
The engine is the method the program uses to render pages from HTML/script/etc. source into the page you see on the screen. IE's engine is the most efficient... as in, it renders pages to the screen faster than competing programs.
Wrong, you can see the recent browser benchmarks, where IE the dinosaur is left far behind eating Firefox's dust in rendering speed. IE's engine hasn't been updated since 6.0, it's showing its age.
Originally posted by threedaysdwn
Most web designers develop their sites with IE in mind. Therefore, they test their products with IE first and foremost. In many cases, making a page look correct in IE will cause Netscape/Mozilla to display the page improperly (usually it's small stuff, like the positioning of text and/or images). IE is the industry standard renderer. Well-designed alternative browsers either use the IE engine (like avant) or mimic it (Konqueror).
Industry standard? Please, it doesn't even render CSS correctly. Even PNG support is appalingly bad. Oh, need this be reminded, 20+ IE security vulnerabilities STILL UNFIXED as of this month. Good luck not being hurt by viewing the wrong pages on IE.
Originally posted by threedaysdwn
Some browsers, like Mozilla, evangelize the fact that they use their own standard, called "W3C" (or World Wide Web Consortium). Basically it's a big group of Netscape supporters that wanted to change the way the web worked at a detriment to IE. Nowadays the W3C is pretty much ignored by all.
Anyone who thinks Mozilla is better because it doesn't render the majority of web pages correctly OR that it's the web author's fault and that every web page should adapt to suit Mozilla's need is a mindless fanboy.
W3C is the HTML standards body, not some Netscape supporter group. IE's inability to render standards compliant XHTML code correctly is the fault of the IE programmers at MS.
Originally posted by threedaysdwn
For businesses, real open standards like ASP .NET are infinitely more important than some archaic CSS definition that differs ever so slightly from the established norm.
MS is well known to diverge and split standards from the widely accepted ones. Java, Javascript, XML, etc etc. :rolleyes:
EDITED by MUYA: No Personal Insults Please
vampireuk
03-08-04, 11:53 AM
The engine is the method the program uses to render pages from HTML/script/etc. source into the page you see on the screen. IE's engine is the most efficient... as in, it renders pages to the screen faster than competing programs
Is that why when I open nV News in Firefox it opens a lot faster than in IE, and yes the cache was cleared. If you think IE is faster and better than Firefox then I want a check of the same ammount that MS gave to you:p
Anyone who thinks Mozilla is better because it doesn't render the majority of web pages correctly OR that it's the web author's fault and that every web page should adapt to suit Mozilla's need is a mindless fanboy.
Anybody who thinks all third party browsers should be ignored is a mindless idiot, hi!
saturnotaku
03-08-04, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by vampireuk
hi!
OMG HI2U!
:D
zoomy942
03-08-04, 01:47 PM
how do, when i open firefox, have one page asd my home page, and another tab as anotehr page, all when i open the browser?
OldOfEvil
03-28-04, 07:20 AM
ANyone get strange behavior when they have Firefox on their second display? I've noticed ( not on all pages, but most ) that many of the interactive bits to a web page behave stange, either not working or rendering funny, yet when I pull the browser over to my main window, it works just fine.
GlowStick
03-28-04, 11:00 AM
ANyone get strange behavior when they have Firefox on their second display? I've noticed ( not on all pages, but most ) that many of the interactive bits to a web page behave stange, either not working or rendering funny, yet when I pull the browser over to my main window, it works just fine.
Could you give me a link to a page that dose that.
Because if the page contains a 3d app like shockwave, your second monitor will not beable to display it correctly. Also if it has some video playing, depending on what program is running it will determine if you can see it on your second monitor correctly also.
SuLinUX
03-29-04, 04:01 PM
Wrong, you can see the recent browser benchmarks, where IE the dinosaur is left far behind eating Firefox's dust in rendering speed. IE's engine hasn't been updated since 6.0, it's showing its age.
Industry standard? Please, it doesn't even render CSS correctly. Even PNG support is appalingly bad. Oh, need this be reminded, 20+ IE security vulnerabilities STILL UNFIXED as of this month. Good luck not being hurt by viewing the wrong pages on IE.
W3C is the HTML standards body, not some Netscape supporter group. IE's inability to render standards compliant XHTML code correctly is the fault of the IE programmers at MS.
MS is well known to diverge and split standards from the widely accepted ones. Java, Javascript, XML, etc etc. :rolleyes:
EDITED by MUYA: No Personal Insults Please
I agree, the only reason why IE is the so called "industry standard" is because everyone with WIndows has IE, dont come with no other browser. IE is really a piece of crap and just to prove it, everyone should goto microsoft.com and watch there non IE browser not render the images because the site is so poorly coded.
http://suseux.commscentral.net:8000/notrender.png
how do, when i open firefox, have one page asd my home page, and another tab as anotehr page, all when i open the browser?
set your start page to:
http://somesite.com|http://somesite2.com
thats a | between each site
use it for as many sites as you want
I sitll find it cant handle asp.net or some asp pages just yet. I know they're not exactly WC3 but they are widley used and popular in the business community.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=270896
which site was that in your pictures?
talking about sse, mine is already built with sse2 etc
I could slap up an sse3 build, afaik it should build with icc, which you can get for free anyways, so why don't you lot go build it yourself
JonathanM
04-05-04, 09:39 PM
Has anyone been able to add support for Macromedia flash to cypher77's optimized version of firefox? link (http://www.smccormick.org/fb/)
I have the original version of firefox and it has flash, but can't get it to operate with this version.
Has anyone been able to add support for Macromedia flash to cypher77's optimized version of firefox? link (http://www.smccormick.org/fb/)
I have the original version of firefox and it has flash, but can't get it to operate with this version.
I'm wore out tonight so too lazy to Google around for this...so, what is cypher'77's optimized verion all about anyway (in a nutshell)...or send my lazy but a link please. Thanks! :)
JonathanM
04-06-04, 12:32 AM
Man you sure are a lazy mofo as the link to the optimized version is in my post ;)
Basically an SSE-enhanced firefox. JuiceZ wrote about it at the beginning of the thread :)
I know but there wasn't any actual rundown/faqs of what it was that I could see...I went up a dir and it was just some doods blog. ;) Sorrie, I should read earlier posts I know. :) I was too busy being lame and wasting my time at B3D last night.
JonathanM
04-06-04, 11:07 AM
I know but there wasn't any actual rundown/faqs of what it was that I could see...I went up a dir and it was just some doods blog. ;) Sorrie, I should read earlier posts I know. :) I was too busy being lame and wasting my time at B3D last night.
Ah now i get ya, yeah there's no info there. He should have a little sumthin up there...
So any advancement. Anybody get flash to work with this build?
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