Extreme high price for Nv40?

[russo121]

If this story about difficulties at IBM is true, what can we conclude?! Nv40 will be an expensive card... don't you think?

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14131 :mad:

[aapo]

Originally posted by russo121
If this story about difficulties at IBM is true, what can we conclude?! Nv40 will be an expensive card... don't you think?

1. It's the Inquirer...
2. nVidia pays IBM per chip, not per wafer. Therefore low yields are not a problem for nVidia but for IBM.
3. nVidia can't put the possible higher costs into the end user prices due to fierce competition from ATi.
4. Even if nVidia would raise prices, it would mainly affect mainstream parts where the big money lies.
5. Did I mention it was said by the Inquirer? :D

[-=DVS=-]

And its old news :D
-> Bad news for Nvidia <- (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24831)

Personaly i think there might be delay to launch NV40 if they haveing problems , but they switched back to TSMC so no problem prolly.

[russo121]

Originally posted by aapo
1. It's the Inquirer...
2. nVidia pays IBM per chip, not per wafer. Therefore low yields are not a problem for nVidia but for IBM.
3. nVidia can't put the possible higher costs into the end user prices due to fierce competition from ATi.
4. Even if nVidia would raise prices, it would mainly affect mainstream parts where the big money lies.
5. Did I mention it was said by the Inquirer? :D

Hey man... how can you say "Therefore low yields are not a problem for nVidia but for IBM..."??? If there are no chips to sell, who as a problem? IBM? I don't think so......

[Morrow]

Originally posted by aapo
1. It's the Inquirer...
2. nVidia pays IBM per chip, not per wafer. Therefore low yields are not a problem for nVidia but for IBM.

While we are at it, the "nvidia pays IBM per chip" is just a rumor and has never been confirmed! I highly doubt any IHV does have this "special" arrangement since this would be financially too risky for the semiconductor manufacturing facility!

[MUYA]

Originally posted by Morrow
While we are at it, the "nvidia pays IBM per chip" is just a rumor and has never been confirmed! I highly doubt any IHV does have this "special" arrangement since this would be financially too risky for the semiconductor manufacturing facility!

Loss leading by IBM? Ie to make sure they stay with them in the long run when they finally sort things out with their production runs etc. Who knows?

But I do not (IMO and no other qualification) think Nv40 cards will be higher than $500. Otherwise no one is gonna end up buying them, they have to remain competitive....even "loss leading" their prices untill they can get a decent return when volumes ramp up etc. They might use their reserves for this to remain competitive against ATI.

Dang i hate waiting :p

[zakelwe]

What is guarranteed is we'll be paying high prices in the UK, so I am really going to try and get a card from the USA where it will be the normal range of $499 downwards I assume. I'll have to get someone who is over there to pick it up for me on one of their trips.

Regards

Andy

[Mariner]

Sounds like a good idea, zakelwe, especially considering that the dollar is expected to drop to around £ 1.00 = $ 2.10 during the coming months... ;)

[AthlonXP1800]

Originally posted by Mariner
Sounds like a good idea, zakelwe, especially considering that the dollar is expected to drop to around £ 1.00 = $ 2.10 during the coming months... ;)

Yeah sources from The Inquirer revealed NV45 will selling at $499, it sure will do the same with NV40.

In UK it amazing very cheaper in today exchange rates:

US $499 = UK £264.59

I think I will see Leadtek NV40 and NV45 will sell for £300 here. :D

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by Mariner
Sounds like a good idea, zakelwe, especially considering that the dollar is expected to drop to around £ 1.00 = $ 2.10 during the coming months... ;)

If it's going to be 2.10 to the £ i will be sending them, with a large cardboard box :)


Regards

Andy

[Mariner]

I once paid £215 (or thereabouts) for an Orchid Righteous 3D!

The last 3 cards I have bought have cost less than a hundred quid, however. Perhaps I'm getting tighter in my old age?

[AthlonXP1800]

Originally posted by Mariner
I once paid £215 (or thereabouts) for an Orchid Righteous 3D!


My dad paid £200 for first 3D card Orchid Righteous 3D for me on Xmas 1995 from PC World, when bought the card and I had Incoming game. :D

I was really surprised at the price 1 year later, dad bought Gullemot 3dfx Banshee card from the same store for £99. I thought "Half price?" wow. :)

[nobie]

NV40 is already delayed from March to April, maybe troubles with IBM are the reason...

[Nutty]

I think I will see Leadtek NV40 and NV45 will sell for £300 here.

BS will it.. you forget we live in rip-off britain. Once customs get some tax slapped on I reckon it'll be closer to 400 at release time. Hell I paid 350 for my GF4 when they came out several years ago.

[AthlonXP1800]

Originally posted by Nutty
BS will it.. you forget we live in rip-off britain. Once customs get some tax slapped on I reckon it'll be closer to 400 at release time. Hell I paid 350 for my GF4 when they came out several years ago.

You paid too much for your GF4, I bought GF4 for £309, it was the cheapest one. Last year I bought 5900 Ultra for £356 and then I was pissed off when NV38 was on sale, the cheapest Leadtek 5950 Ultra was £290, I overpaid £66.

[|JuiceZ|]

high price for a highend card? go figure.....

I still see 5950's & 9800XT's for around that price at local retailers. The trend will always be higher prices as the cost of manu goes up. Thats why theres so many different lvl cards offered from both companies.

[nutball]

Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
I think I will see Leadtek NV40 and NV45 will sell for £300 here. :D

£300? Dream on!

£400. That's what the top-end cards will be costing here. I'd put money on it.

[AthlonXP1800]

Originally posted by nutball
£300? Dream on!

£400. That's what the top-end cards will be costing here. I'd put money on it.

Really? I will ask you a question, why did Leadtek 5950 Ultra cost £327 when it first in stock compared to Leadtek 5900 Ultra cost £376 when it first in stock. When 5950 Ultra is first in stock and 5900 Ultra was cost £350 at the time. It surprised 5950 Ultra is cost less than 5900 Ultra and 5950 Ultra is slight faster than 5900 Ultra.

Imagine in exchange rate and then add 17.5% VAT.

$499 = £264.59 x 17.5% = £310.89 inc VAT

Well I will bet either NV40 and NV45 will sell for £300 to £310 when it in stock in April. This will marked exactly 2 years since I bought Geforce 4 Ti 4600 for £309 on 15th April 2002. ;)

[nutball]

Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
Really? I will ask you a question, why did Leadtek 5950 Ultra cost £327 when it first in stock compared to Leadtek 5900 Ultra cost £376 when it first in stock. When 5950 Ultra is first in stock and 5900 Ultra was cost £350 at the time. It surprised 5950 Ultra is cost less than 5900 Ultra and 5950 Ultra is slight faster than 5900 Ultra.

What did those cards cost in dollars?

Imagine in exchange rate and then add 17.5% VAT.

$499 = £264.59 x 17.5% = £310.89 inc VAT


Ummm.. since when has it worked like that?

[Paul]

Originally posted by nutball
Ummm.. since when has it worked like that?

Indeed. The cards will debut at £399, i'd imagine.

[Xentropy]

As usual, the inquirer seems to be a tad confused.

The earlier article they refer to is mentioning tapeouts and their success rates. This has pretty much nothing to do with chip yields.

Of course, if IBM is having such a poor tapeout success rate, they may have to review their deisgn rules for chip layout. This is still much different from their process yield rate however.