View Full Version : A-Rod to the Yankees... thoughts ?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/baseball/mlb/02/16/bc.bba.yankees.rodriguez.ap/index.html
well well... who woulda thunk this just a week or two ago...
I personally love Soriano so it'll be interesting to see what kind of loss he will be... and... no don zimmer :(
First things first.
I HATE THE YANKEES!
Now back to the topic. I HATE THE YANKEES!!! If the yankees lost every game now until eternity by 40 million runs, I still would not be happy.
Pay-Rod was a baby when he left my Mariners now he wants to buy him self a champoinship just like the yankees do every year. Pay-Rod is 4 times the player Soriano will ever be, so there will be a huge gain instead of any loss.
BTW
I HATE THE YANKME'S!
Yankees suck! (http://www.yanks-suck.com/)
stncttr908
02-16-04, 02:35 PM
Once again this is terrible for baseball. Although I must say there are many owners that don't put enough money towards their franchises. Also I'm not saying this due to my hatred for the Yankees, as I disagree with the Bo-sox and their acquisition of Schilling just as much. At least the Orioles are loading up and can give both Boston and New York a run for their money.
Might I add that I don't believe the Yankee organization is big enough for both A-Rod and Jeter. They've had their battles in the past and their egos are too large for the clubhouse. If Jeter goes on the DL and A-Rod takes his place at short for even a few games, it'll add fuel to the fire. The New York media will take care of the rest after that.
intercede007
02-16-04, 02:43 PM
An observation.
If any other team in Baseball had the outrageous amount of resources the Yankees have, would they be ostricized just like the Yankees for buying all the talent they could find?
If you have a problem with what they Yankees are doing and can do, please escort yourself out of this country and find another economic system in which to live. Capitalism obviously isn't for you.
If money was everything the Marlins wouldn't have won last year. Get over it, stop being jealous and let Steinbrenner spend his cash however he wants.
It's Baseball people, not the damn national deficit.
I don't like it one bit and if your man enough come and show me the door your self I will give you my address. ;)
You sound like another yankee supporter. Are you from that area. If so your opinion sux and you suck and you opinion means squat and you prolly should be palced in jail with the rest of the yankee criminal slime.
Baseball is FAR more important than the deficit. For you to even to make a comparison makes me think you just might be a pinko. Curses you for talking ill of baseball and curses you for supporting the yankees. curses you!
Of course you know I have blind hatred towards the yankees *cough*stanton throwing at mariners*cough* that there is no logic or clear thinking.
:D
intercede007
02-16-04, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by UDawg
I don't like it one bit and if your man enough come and show me the door your self I will give you my address. ;)
You sound like another yankee supporter. Are you from that area. If so your opinion sux and you suck and you opinion means squat and you prolly should be palced in jail with the rest of the yankee criminal slime.
http://members.cox.net/intercede007/Glocks.jpg
Ohh yeah, I'll be there ready to go. Out of my country you commie bastard!! ;)
intercede007
Captain Volkswagen
Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Destin, Florida
Posts: 1349
the yanks have a payroll around $200 million, the jays have a payroll at roughly $50 million. competitive imbalance? is there any point in watching a single jays game this year, since both the yanks and bosox are spending the game of baseball into irrelevance, as no one can compete with their spending abilities? first place (AL East) + wild card in the AL have already been decided.
an aside, when the jays won their two world series in the 90s, the jays had the highest payroll in the majors, at $50 million! other teams were complaining that the jays were ruining baseball, since they were buying a lot of players and spending the most $$$. funny how things have changed (while other things have stayed the same). :D
intercede007
02-16-04, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by bigC
the yanks have a payroll around $200 million, the jays have a payroll at roughly $50 million. competitive imbalance? is there any point in watching a single jays game this year, since both the yanks and bosox are spending the game of baseball into irrelevance, as no one can compete with their spending abilities? first place (AL East) + wild card in the AL have already been decided.
an aside, when the jays won their two world series in the 90s, the jays had the highest payroll in the majors, at $50 million! other teams were complaining that the jays were ruining baseball, since they were buying a lot of players and spending the most $$$. funny how things have changed (while other things have stayed the same). :D
Soo....where's the beef?
It's obviously been going on for quite some time. The Yankees have been hording talent since the early 40's. You've just stated that the Blue Jays did it in the early 90's, and in even more recent history I point to the Braves.
How are the Yankees ruining baseball in 2004 if this has been going on since the sport has been around? When players stuck with a team, the new talent was always drawn to the team with the most pennents on the wall, not who can write the biggest check. Is that really so differant?
I ask again, where is the beef?
Originally posted by intercede007
http://members.cox.net/intercede007/Glocks.jpg
Ohh yeah, I'll be there ready to go. Out of my country you commie bastard!! ;)
intercede007
Captain Volkswagen
Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Destin, Florida
Posts: 1349
lol!! I'll see your a toy gun and raise you my 30-30 Marlin lever action and Winchester 12guage and a single shot Winchester 20 guage. Never mind the fact I have only two hands. :retard:
BTW It's cute how you painted the florescent orange safety barrel tip to black. :udawg:
What I don't understand is why you have the clips in? :eek: Gun safety 101. Never put a clip in until you are ready to use it. WAIT! are you ready!?:eek:
BTW just kidding about the serial thing.
The must be on the other side of the barrel.;)
:p
LiquidX
02-16-04, 04:38 PM
Being a NYer I love it, one more to stick it to those un-named losers. One think I HATE though is the loss of Soriano, he was always consistant and being so you young I think they should have kept him. I would have rather they sent Bernie Williams or even Jeter.:(
Originally posted by intercede007
Soo....where's the beef?
It's obviously been going on for quite some time. The Yankees have been hording talent since the early 40's. You've just stated that the Blue Jays did it in the early 90's, and in even more recent history I point to the Braves.
How are the Yankees ruining baseball in 2004 if this has been going on since the sport has been around? When players stuck with a team, the new talent was always drawn to the team with the most pennents on the wall, not who can write the biggest check. Is that really so differant?
I ask again, where is the beef? a lack of competition has damaged the game. declining attendance around MLB parks has shown that the fans are becoming disinterested in the game. when only a handful of teams can compete, that breeds a lot of fan apathy. why bother watching or going to the games when your team has been mathematically eliminated before the season even starts, since you have to compete with teams that can outspend you to death.
the differences between the game now and the game in the 40s is that fans have no connection with multi-billionaire owners and their multi-millionaire players. the infield of the yankees earns more than the entire jays roster.
also, fans have a lot more choice where we can spend our sports entertainment dollar on. if fans becomes dissatisfied with the pro game, they can turn to the minor leagues. ie, while i still watch the NHL, i haven't attended a game in two years: i've had it with overpriced tickets and rich spoiled brat players. instead, i go to OHL/AHL games. not only are the games more affordable, but the players aren't overpaid egomaniacs.
stncttr908
02-16-04, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by bigC
a lack of competition has damaged the game. declining attendance around MLB parks has shown that the fans are becoming disinterested in the game.This is entirely true, although I'm sure that some of it it still the lingering effects of the 1994 strike. Even with that said, it's not capitalism, it's baseball. The Yankees need the other teams to succeed and generate a fan base, otherwise there'd be no league for them to play in either. If I were a fan of the Tigers, Royals, Brewers, Devil Rays, or a fan of any of the slew of uncompetitive teams I'd be angered too.
intercede007
02-16-04, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by bigC
a lack of competition has damaged the game. declining attendance around MLB parks has shown that the fans are becoming disinterested in the game. when only a handful of teams can compete, that breeds a lot of fan apathy. why bother watching or going to the games when your team has been mathematically eliminated before the season even starts, since you have to compete with teams that can outspend you to death.
the differences between the game now and the game in the 40s is that fans have no connection with multi-billionaire owners and their multi-millionaire players. the infield of the yankees earns more than the entire jays roster.
also, fans have a lot more choice where we can spend our sports entertainment dollar on. if fans becomes dissatisfied with the pro game, they can turn to the minor leagues. ie, while i still watch the NHL, i haven't attended a game in two years: i've had it with overpriced tickets and rich spoiled brat players. instead, i go to OHL/AHL games. not only are the games more affordable, but the players aren't overpaid egomaniacs.
Exactly.
So haven't you justified economicaly why the game is suffering? Are fans really that apathetic about something that has been happening for 60+ years or like you said, are they just walking away to other avenues?
Let's not foget that we are in an economic downturn and the entertainment industry is never immune from damage. If you want to see a baseball game, and times are tough, are you going to buy 60 dollar tickets and go watch the Yankees play from the nosebleed seats, or buy a 20 dollar ticket and sit on the 3rd base line down the road at the local double-a park?
In a given year, only a handful of teams are really put together to compete anyway. Again, that is nothing all that new.
Good god...I never saw anyone complaining this much when the Braves had a pitching staff even God couldn't put together and were winning everything in sight.
Originally posted by intercede007
So haven't you justified economicaly why the game is suffering? Are fans really that apathetic about something that has been happening for 60+ years or like you said, are they just walking away to other avenues?
Let's not foget that we are in an economic downturn and the entertainment industry is never immune from damage. If you want to see a baseball game, and times are tough, are you going to buy 60 dollar tickets and go watch the Yankees play from the nosebleed seats, or buy a 20 dollar ticket and sit on the 3rd base line down the road at the local double-a park? i think the situation re fan apathy has become magnified in recent years thanks to greater media exposure. there are venues for fans to vent their frustrations re a sport that didn't exist 40 or even 20 years ago (ie, the internet, radio phone-in shows, the proliferation of sports-only TV networks, etc). so, the game is suffering probably because of a combination of fan apathy, greater competition for our entertainment/sports dollar, and league/team mismanagment (uncompetitive league).
certain teams around the league continue to throw tonnes of money at high ranking players, thereby gaining a competitive advantage, while at the same time driving up the price of the marginal and mid-level players. then, these teams raise ticket prices, expecting the fans to continuously pay for an overpriced event that rarely delivers full entertainment value. this cannot continue since it is the fans that pay for these high salaries: ie, fewer viewers means lower ad rates and less money for TV broadcast rights; lower attendance hurts the bottom line.
the 1994 strike, i think, is not really a factor anymore, since labour *peace* was achieved in the last CBA. however, the price of that peace is still being felt now: without salary constraints, a team like the Yankees will continue to spend however much they want, since they have showed a willingness to do so, regardless of whatever penalties they will face. the luxury tax system is obviously an ineffective measure to curtail overspending, as is evidenced by the Yankees current off-season shopping spree.
a team like the Jays, acting with a budget of around $50 million, has to compete with the Yankees for free agent signings. but, if one team is willing a pay a so-so pitcher $10 mill, and you hold the line at $6 mill, guess where that player will sign. then, the weaker team, or team with the more modest payroll, will have to fill the void with an even more marginal pitcher (which will receive more than his due, as market pressures drive up all salaries and competitive-desperation sets in), or with a rookie rushed to the league. the so-so $10 mill pitcher, with a $100 million infield behind him, will have a great year, and other players with similar stats will demand salaries in the same range.
LiquidX
02-16-04, 07:56 PM
The way I see it the Yanks are the big green monsters at the end of the game. If your good enough you can beat them or put up a good fight. To me the Yanks have made this game better instead of a bore. Alot of teams have stepped up there game and have put there players to a new standard because of the Yanks. Every teams goal now is to beat the damn Yankees.
Look at basketball when Jordan was there and the Bulls roamed free. The Bulls where the big green monsters and every team new they had to topple them. Back then even if the Bulls didnt make it to the finals...the team that stopped them got has much recognition as the team that one the championships.
You all really want to see that gone? No big bad green monster (the Yanks) at the end of the game? You all have to be Kidding me.
Originally posted by UDawg
First AND ONLY thing.... first.
I HATE THE YANKEES!
Originally posted by intercede007
Good god...I never saw anyone complaining this much when the Braves had a pitching staff even God couldn't put together and were winning everything in sight.
Then you have had your head in the sand. There was lots of that during the 90s. I for one
HATE THE BRAVES!!!! but not ast much as the yankme's. :D
THAT STUPID CHOP! AND JANE THE TRAITOR FONDA WITH HER STUPID HAT AND THAT STUPID CHOP!
DID I MENTION I HATE THAT CHOP!?
now that the BoSox lost on getting A-rod, they're not against trying to get a salary cap in MLB. Steinbrenner's response is great :lol: :
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1737841
Riptide
02-19-04, 12:29 PM
Not to hijack the thread or anything...
But does anyone seriously think any person out there deserves to be paid a quarter billion for basically running around and hitting a ball with a stick?
Sometimes it just amazes me how fanatical people are about sports. And this is coming from a 49er fan. I watch the games (most of 'em) but it's not THAT important to me. I can live without it. :)
Originally posted by Riptide
Not to hijack the thread or anything...
But does anyone seriously think any person out there deserves to be paid a quarter billion for basically running around and hitting a ball with a stick?
Sometimes it just amazes me how fanatical people are about sports. And this is coming from a 49er fan. I watch the games (most of 'em) but it's not THAT important to me. I can live without it. :)
He only deserves what they are willing to pay him. I have no problem with them paying him billions. When they raise the ticket prices I won't go. The economy will balance this out. When people stop going they cannot pay them these silly salaries. They pay them these salaries because we keep going to see them play.
I say more power to Pay-Rod if he can get it. He will have to accept the reuslt it may make ie., his trade to the Rangers.
Originally posted by Riptide
Not to hijack the thread or anything...
But does anyone seriously think any person out there deserves to be paid a quarter billion for basically running around and hitting a ball with a stick?
Sometimes it just amazes me how fanatical people are about sports. And this is coming from a 49er fan. I watch the games (most of 'em) but it's not THAT important to me. I can live without it. :)
arod did not ask for the money from the rangers... they GAVE it to him..
whats he supposed to say... please I don't think I want all that money.. give me a little less and I'll be happy :D j/k btw...
but yah there is no salary cap or any such thing in baseball...
the nfl as the strictest rules afaik... and the nba is not too far behind...
BUT the market still makes a difference...
Riptide
02-19-04, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by UDawg
I say more power to Pay-Rod if he can get it. He will have to accept the reuslt it may make ie., his trade to the Rangers.
There is such a thing as extravagance, and it is not a good thing IMHO.
Paying people that kind of money to run around and catch balls is ridiculous. I know the market will bear it and all, that's fine, I'm not saying it should be illegal to pay someone gobs for something stupid like this.
But extravagance is extravagance and I calls 'em as I sees 'em. ;)
Think back to when your grandpa used to get after you for not eating your brussel sprouts because of the starving kids over in x continent. There are people who would kill for $20 and they pay this guy a quarter bill for running around catching balls? I'm not a commie bastid or anything and I'm totally against legislating against this but there used to be a certain level of conservatism that our grandparents had that was a GOOD thing. They knew the value of a dollar, people now not so much...
stncttr908
02-19-04, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Sazar
whats he supposed to say... please I don't think I want all that money.. give me a little less and I'll be happy :D j/k btw...This happens in the NFL all the time. A star who is getting paid more than the team can afford will take a pay cut in order to free up some cap room. Now consider that NFL salaries are only a fraction of the largest salaries in baseball, and you'll see my point.
Originally posted by stncttr908
This happens in the NFL all the time. A star who is getting paid more than the team can afford will take a pay cut in order to free up some cap room. Now consider that NFL salaries are only a fraction of the largest salaries in baseball, and you'll see my point.
yes but the players union in baseball does not like reducing contracts...
unfortunately baseball players are a little more demanding than football players...
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