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anzak
02-18-04, 11:15 PM
Im buying a new computer very soon and was wanting to know what you think I should do. The system is an Athlon XP 2500+ with 512 DDR400 memory. My only problem is choosing a video card, I could get a Geforce FX 5900nu for only $160 or keep the default card (FX 5200nu) and wait for the next generation of cards with PS3.0. What do you think?

DSC
02-18-04, 11:46 PM
5200NU? 64bit or 128bit card? If you can live with the low performance and wait for NV40, then you might as well stick with the 5200NU until NV40 is available.

But it's not as simple decision as before, since NV40 will be the last AGP card from Nvidia and the industry is moving to PCI Express, hope you'll hang on the comp and NV40 for a long time should you decide to get NV40, since newer mobos will not have an AGP slot at all.

Malfunction
02-19-04, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by DSC
5200NU? 64bit or 128bit card? If you can live with the low performance and wait for NV40, then you might as well stick with the 5200NU until NV40 is available.

But it's not as simple decision as before, since NV40 will be the last AGP card from Nvidia and the industry is moving to PCI Express, hope you'll hang on the comp and NV40 for a long time should you decide to get NV40, since newer mobos will not have an AGP slot at all.

Ya, I totally agree with DSC. Your also gonna want something more powerful and long term than just a Barton. A Barton is old school, A64 and P4 are where it's at. Since there is still a upgradability and comparable performance with the latest and greatest thus far, that would also be something to consider for long term.

I did the same thing you are considering. I bought the most power P4 for the price I was looking at and it easily overclocks to 3.5Ghz with retail HSF. I still have upgrade options down the road as prices fall. I can go Prescott, Extreme Edition or last of the Northwoods.

On the AMD side, you still have Socket 754 which is not changing soon and will be around awhile. Already you have the choices of 3000+/3200+ and 3400+. I hear that up to and maybe one beyond there will be a 3700+. Plenty of options until you are ready to go PCI-E.

I would definitely consider those things as well becuase they are just as important if not more so than the videocard alone.

Peace,

:afro:

zoomy942
02-19-04, 10:01 AM
i agree with everyone also. the thing with the bartons is that they like to overclock. mine is all the way up to 2.4. so its a little trooper. and if the 3200+ (i know their naming scheme is dumb) is a 2.2, i dont know what mine would be considered. i agree with them though, if you want a super machine but want to complete your masterpiece with a graphics card later, get a mega powerful CPU and all that, then get a 5200nu. or just get something with integrated video. but keep in mind, you might wait for the nv40 AGP and then 3 months later the nv42 or nv43 or whatever will show up with pci express. you are buyin a pc in the gray zone before things start to change. if i were you, and you havent caught the upgrade bug yet, either crate a medium system, so at least you have a case for later.. or just wait all together and get a monster when all these clouds of changes clear a little

anzak
02-19-04, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by zoomy942
...so at least you have a case for later.. .

Well, with the new BTX cases coming out I won't even be able to use that. Since there is so much new stuff coming out within the next year I may just wait. PCI Express, BTX cases, new socket processors, and DDR2 ram in one year. If my notebook only had a better graphics chip, I could live with the PIII processor a little while longer. It's only gonna cost me around $650, I can make it work for 18 months then buy a new PC with all of the new technology. Or I could get about the same system with an Athlon 64 3000+ for around $850, which is what I might do.

zoomy942
02-19-04, 11:48 AM
thats a good call about the case. i forgot about that. but at least BTX wont be a big deal till late this year. but i would wait and save a few bucks and be one of the cool people with all the new neat stuff first!

MUYA
02-19-04, 12:10 PM
And u know the NV40 will drive prices down too :D so yes wait a bit and then take a plunge when the next gen 3D card hits as well as when the overall picture pertaining to CPUs is clear too. I mean PRescott 64? or Athlon64 with socket 939 etc.

Cotita
02-19-04, 04:15 PM
the 5900 is a great card, so I would get one right away.

It will take at least 18 months for newer technologies to replace AGP/ATX/DDR et al.

The athlonXP may not fade away at all, AMD still needs a mainstream processor to compete with celeron and athlon64 is still too expensive to manufacture compared to the athlonXP

By the time you really need to replace your barton/fx5900, PCI-x, 64bit OS and DDR2 will be common place and most bugs will be addressed (and new ones appear, but you really didn't expect it to be perfect, right?).

Besides first generation BTX, prescott, PCI-X, and DDR2 will be quite expensive and it will take a while for prices to come down.

I recently upgraded my rig with an XP2500, nf7-s, fx5900 and 1g PC3200 and couldn't be happier.

zoomy942
02-19-04, 04:18 PM
i wouldnt be me unless i said that the 5900 is a great card, but if you are jut wanting to get by, get a 5700NU and overclock her. it runs everything great. i use AF and 2X AA and things look fabulos at 1024x768. and you can take a barton 2500 (1.8) to very high clock speeds....
one thing.. get a barton MOBILE 2500 and people are easily getting it to 2.5 and 2.6. i can get my non mobile to 2.4

anzak
02-19-04, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by zoomy942
i wouldnt be me unless i said that the 5900 is a great card, but if you are jut wanting to get by, get a 5700NU and overclock her. it runs everything great. i use AF and 2X AA and things look fabulos at 1024x768. and you can take a barton 2500 (1.8) to very high clock speeds....
one thing.. get a barton MOBILE 2500 and people are easily getting it to 2.5 and 2.6. i can get my non mobile to 2.4

Bah, the FX 5700nu is not worth the price. 5700nu upgrade $129, 5900nu upgrade $160. The 5700 is a good card but not worth the price in this case. Im just gonnna get the 5200 and later upgrade to a PS3.0 midrange card, which im guessing will have an 8x1 or 4x2 design with 256bit memory .

zoomy942
02-19-04, 07:53 PM
thast a good choice buddy. enjoy when you gert your new stuff!

Gator
02-19-04, 09:39 PM
FX5200NU is pretty damn weak though, especially if it ends up being 64bit memory bus.

Have you considered refurbished cards? Newegg has a refurb FX5700NU for only $109. You could probably sell it for nearly the same price on ebay later ;)

Hell I'd rather see you with a GF4TI than a FX5200NU... we're talking GF3TI200 performance if not worse :p Your new rig deserves more than than a FX5200NU. Newegg has a refurb GF4 TI4200 128DDR AGP8x for only $80us

anzak
02-19-04, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Gator
FX5200NU is pretty damn weak though, especially if it ends up being 64bit memory bus.


Yeah, Im gonna call Ibuypower about that. If I was to pick another card it would be the Geforce Fx 5900nu which is $160. The 5200 will do me fine untill the next genration of cards are released granted it's the 128bit memory version.

zakelwe
02-20-04, 02:35 AM
My prefered choice -

AMD64 3000 system
5200 card


then upgrade to the nv40 SE\XT\LE\non ultra or whatever they are going to call it and have a lot faster system than the Barton / 5900 system and more futureproofing.

Will cost something more obviously though.

Whatever, enjoy your new rig, whichever way you go, as long as it is better than your last you are going to have fun.

Regards

Andy

Edge
02-20-04, 05:48 AM
Yeah if it's the 128 bit card then you should be able to hold out for at least another 4 months or so until better cards might be out, but if it's the 64 bit then I'd just upgrade to the FX5900 in your case. The FX5900 has it's drawbacks, but it's hardly going to be outdated when PS3.0 cards come out (which might not even be the next generation if reports are right). Though maybe see if they offer ATI upgrades as well, a 9700 or better card would go fairly well with that system, and would be a bit more future-proof than the FX card due to it's faster DX9 rendering (or if you're an AA ***** like me).

Geordan
02-20-04, 08:35 PM
Hey,

I did almost exactly what you're doing in january. Amd 2600, 512 ram and a asus A7v600. I spent 530 CDN and then another 300 CDN on a leadtek 5900 lx a couple weeks ago. It runs damn fast, and if far cry says anything about next gen games, I can tolerate medium to high graphics at 1024 until I get a BTX system in however long.

This is the best way to go I think. I had a p3 600 with a geforce mx 440 and there was no way in hell I was gonna wait another stinking year before I upgraded.

My advice is do it, I'd take that 5900 as well, it will make the wait much less painful.

-Geordan

anzak
02-20-04, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Geordan
Hey,

I did almost exactly what you're doing in january. Amd 2600, 512 ram and a asus A7v600. I spent 530 CDN and then another 300 CDN on a leadtek 5900 lx a couple weeks ago. It runs damn fast, and if far cry says anything about next gen games, I can tolerate medium to high graphics at 1024 until I get a BTX system in however long.

This is the best way to go I think. I had a p3 600 with a geforce mx 440 and there was no way in hell I was gonna wait another stinking year before I upgraded.

My advice is do it, I'd take that 5900 as well, it will make the wait much less painful.

-Geordan

Thanks for the advice Geordan. Im still waiting for the PS3.0 cards though. Midrange cards are usualy on par with last generations high end plus the PS3.0 support.

AIW Guru
02-21-04, 12:28 AM
I'm using an MSI GeForce FX 5200 with 128bit memory interface.
I've had an AIW VE, AIW 8500DV, AIW 9600pro, GeForce 3ti200, GeForce 4ti4200.
So, I've experienced a great difference in performance.
Honestly, this 5200 is fast enough.
It plays all the games i like (tacops, UT2K4demo, NFSU) with full detail at 1024x768 JUST FINE!
There's really no reason to get anything higher than that if you're going to be getting NV40 soon anyway.