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Joe DeFuria
10-15-02, 08:47 PM
I see you still like to make a fool of yourself by making contradictory statements...same ol' Roscoe!

For the record, I never claimed, hinted or suggested that the NForce2 was based on 0.13 micron technology.

Um...for the record, you said:

Now let us re-cap what happened since May 1. NForce2 chipset was previewed in mid-July 2002. Was this alleged due date of August the due date of the NV30 or the NForce2?

And the author of the ee-times article claimed:

Some of that will come from a new graphics chip slated to arrive in August.

The new chip will be manufactured on Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.'s latest 0.13-micron manufacturing process, Huang said. Huang did not reveal the name or specific features of the chip, but did say it was a fundamentally new architecture from the GeForce 4 Titanium introduced earlier this year.

And based on that, you come up with some baseless conjecture that the "August Date" might have been some confusion between nForce2 and NV30?! (Which then would make the nForce2 late, anyway...)

It's one thing to "read between the lines", Roscoe, it's another to make up an entire book.

The author could also have gotten the anticipated tape-out date mixed up with the "arrival" date.

Or the Author could have just been on an acid trip, too. Perhaps he was deaf and was making his best attempt at reading Huang's lips. Maybe the Author is actually ATI's CEO, and he's just trying to spread mis-information!! :rolleyes:

Then Defuria twists the meaning of "arrives" to mean something completely different to what most people would think arrives would mean.

Really? "Most people" would just think that "arrives" means "able to buy it / in stock?"

I'll just have to test that theory....

He's still steamed that all those years spent defending 3dfx and attacking NVIDIA (more like spreading FUD against NVIDIA) went for nothing. He's a 3dfx fanboy who refuses to accept that he lost the war. Time to let go.

Lol...Only you would consider this some type of "war", roscoe. There's a difference between attacking ill-conceived, contradictory, and fan-boy logic, vs. "attacking nVidia."

I have no reason to attack nVidia. Am I attacking nVidia here? How does arguing over whether or not a part is "late" some type of attack? The only relevant fact here is that the nV30 has yet to "arrive". Funny...I thougt I was attacking you, not nVidia.

But I guess since you feel the need to "protect any perceived" attack on nVidia, you feel that you are one in the same.

Get a breath of fresh air, Roscoe. These are only video cards and companies. Not worth fighting over.

Ill-conceived logic, on the other hand...

Bigus Dickus
10-15-02, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by legion88
You, BD, naturally "speculated" that there won't be any NV30s this year other than review samples. That was in mid-August. Looks like you tone down your rhetoric from no NV30s to just being late.

No, my speculation is still that there won't be NV30's on the store shelves for everyone to buy this year. Review samples, yes. Not toned down at all.

However, there's plenty of room between the speculation that it won't arrive this year at all, and the rather obvious conclusion that it will be late (since you have some stumbling block over the tense is).

Of course, you can contest technicalities all you want, and point out that Huang stated "holiday season" and that it need only arrive this year to meet that deadline. Fine... whatever. People expected it here this fall, and it's not going to be.

jbirney
10-16-02, 08:41 AM
NVIDIA was accused of being late here in this forum since freakin' August.

From a Confernce call with nV in may they stated fall for NV30:
http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=17259833

Then on May Firs you have the CEO in an arbitration hearing with MS were we found this out:

Speaking today at a chip conference in San Francisco, NVIDIA President and CEO Jen-Hsun Huang reiterated that a new graphics chip from NVIDIA is slated to arrive in August.
The new chip will be manufactured on Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.'s latest 0.13-micron manufacturing process, Huang said. Huang did not reveal the name or specific features of the chip, but did say it was a fundamentally new architecture from the GeForce 4 Titanium introduced earlier this year.


Taken from nV News (http://www.nvnews.net/cgi-bin/search.cgi?category=1&keyword=arbitration) and this Cnet article:

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-896850.html?legacy=cnet&tag=lthd

NV has said that the nv30 is the only IC slated for the .13u process so far. The x8 AGP cards are not "fundamentally new architecture" and we can rule those out of the picture. And he did say graphic chip not mother board ICs. So its not the nForce2 ICs. Looks like the NV30 was reported to be here in Aug from his statements. Thus its late.