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Zarich
02-21-04, 04:02 PM
I need a new system. I have a 1.2ghz thunderbird with a ti500 and pc133 ram.

So I am gonna get a new mobo, ram and proc for sure.

I can either get a Nforce2 board with a barton 2500 and 512 of ddr3200 with a new video card (either 5900nu or 9800pro)

or an a64 board with a 3000, and 512 of ddr3200, but no video card

Is a geforce 3ti500 gonna last me? or should I go for setup #1.
Secondly I can get a saphire oem 9800pro for 214 or a evga retail 5900nu for 218. Which would you get?

GlowStick
02-21-04, 04:10 PM
Well id get the 9800 Pro over the 5900 non-ultra, and if you feel its the time to upgrade then you should go for it.

Smokey
02-21-04, 04:11 PM
I would get the NF2 + barton, dont get a videocard yet as the new ones are just around the corner, and the GF3 is still fine.

Clay
02-21-04, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Zarich
I need a new system. I have a 1.2ghz thunderbird with a ti500 and pc133 ram.

So I am gonna get a new mobo, ram and proc for sure.

I can either get a Nforce2 board with a barton 2500 and 512 of ddr3200 with a new video card (either 5900nu or 9800pro)

or an a64 board with a 3000, and 512 of ddr3200, but no video card

Is a geforce 3ti500 gonna last me? or should I go for setup #1.
Secondly I can get a saphire oem 9800pro for 214 or a evga retail 5900nu for 218. Which would you get? Good questions. ;) The short answer is that it depends. What kind of games are you into? How important is AntiAliasing and Anisotropic Filtering to you for the kinds of games you play?

My gut tells me to get the A64 board with the 3000 since motherboards and processors typically have a longer life than video cards...of course this all depends on the individual. The GeForce3 Ti500 is still an acceptable card for many games at resolutions no higher than 1024x768 and with no AA and no AF applied. Even when we actually start to see DX9 titles (i.e. Half Life 2, Doom3 to name a few) most of them will still have codepaths down to DX7. Granted you would be getting a fraction of those games' eye-candy but you'd likely still be able to "play" them in some capacity.

HTH, it will help us here even more to know what kind of games you're interested in. As to your 9800Pro or 5900NU question..you might also want to consider a 5700Ultra (most are in the $170 range). Solely between the 9800Pro and 5900nu though at those prices you mentioned I'd go with the 9800Pro.

ChrisRay
02-21-04, 04:50 PM
Honestly I see no point in buying an Athlon 64 Socket chip until PCI express comes out, Then I'm going to consider moving on, But considering the current price set and the pace of technology, Not a good idea IMO,


Problem is you are stuck in a situation where new technology is around the corner, Wait for it or invest now? I figure in 2 years PCI technology will have taken a firm hold over AGP, By then your Graphic card will need upgrading again anyway,

But a board assuming bus rate and socket dont change, could last longer.

Zarich
02-21-04, 04:56 PM
I play just about everything that comes along. I definetly plan on playing doom3 and halflife2. I got this bug because I find ut2k4 is really bringing my system to its knees. I dont use either AA or AF. Mainly too bad of a framerate hit on the ti500, plus having to turn it on and off all the time is a pain. I never saw big enough difference to use it. Also I only game at 1024x768. oh and I failed to meantion I am poor. So even though new video cards are around the corner.. if they come out with price points like 399 and 499.. I wont be touching them.

Clay
02-21-04, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Zarich
So even though new video cards are around the corner.. if they come out with price points like 399 and 499.. I wont be touching them. Ah, the voice of reason! :angel: I agree, the problem is...there's always something around the corner. The timeframe as to how long/short a timeframe is acceptible is all personal preference.

ChrisRay made some good points about the A64 and PCI Express. Actually, I should give more credit to the "around the corner" argument as this "corner" we're coming up on is a substantial one (potentially) with PCI Express, DX9 next generation graphics cards, etc. If Doom3 and HL2 games are your focus then the ideal choice would be to wait and see how things shake down in reality. If you want to decide based on some SWAGing then that crowd would say 9800Pro and I couldn't really disagree (based on the SWAGs). ;)

Gator
02-21-04, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Zarich
I need a new system. I have a 1.2ghz thunderbird with a ti500 and pc133 ram

Boy this is a tough question :|

Well, in my opinion I don't like VIA chipsets, but I've heard bad things about Nforce3. The only chipset I like is the SIS755, but only ECS motherboards currently use that and I'm not a big fan of theirs because their boards tend to be cheaply made. And although Athlon64 makes me drool, and although many people here will say they love their Athlon64's computers and both their NF3 and VIA based boards work perfectly fine... in my opinion nothing REALLY takes advantage enough of 64bit processing for it to limit your video card upgrade.

If I owned a GF3TI, although a damn fine card, by now I'd have probably switched to an overclock FX5700NU or better. The GF3 is simply showing it's age is all. My advice to you, get an Nforce2, some DDR400 PC3200 memory (for overclocking potential), and the nicely priced Barton2800. The fact is even at stock speed that chip is PLENTY fast for all the latest games, and if you decide to overclock it you'll be damn impressed. This choice would also entitle you to have enough money for an FX5700NU or higher (preferably the FX5900NU)

Just my opinion, do what you think is best. The GF3TI500 still kicks butt, but for how much longer? ;)

john19055
02-21-04, 05:52 PM
I would wait till the 64bit processor has been out longer and wait a while when you can get a motherboard that has pci express,I would go for the Barton and some PC3200 and a new video card because that will be able to play the games comeing out and be good enough untill next year.

qballshalls2002
02-21-04, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Zarich
I need a new system. I have a 1.2ghz thunderbird with a ti500 and pc133 ram.

So I am gonna get a new mobo, ram and proc for sure.

I can either get a Nforce2 board with a barton 2500 and 512 of ddr3200 with a new video card (either 5900nu or 9800pro)

or an a64 board with a 3000, and 512 of ddr3200, but no video card

Is a geforce 3ti500 gonna last me? or should I go for setup #1.
Secondly I can get a saphire oem 9800pro for 214 or a evga retail 5900nu for 218. Which would you get?

Option 1:

Wait till HL2 and Doom3 are reviewed and are benchmarked from popular review sites on newer PCIe videocards.

If PCIe has great performance gains than go with a 64bit PCIe platform.I'm quite sure by the time the videocards are reviewed,the A64 3000 should be under the $170 price range,

About your second comment, I dont think 512mbs of ram will be enough for games like DOOM3,Farcry and HL2.In many forums,including myself, Farcry uses about 560mbs of ram.


So my best reccommendation,go with my option one plan.In the meantime,just save money for DDr2 and a shiny new BTX case.

kyleb
02-21-04, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Zarich
I got this bug because I find ut2k4 is really bringing my system to its knees..

don't expect to be able to keep the big onslaught and assult maps at above 30fps with any system unless you run at fairly low settings.

Shaitan
02-22-04, 05:50 PM
"I would go for the Barton and some PC3200 and a new video card because that will be able to play the games comeing out and be good enough untill next year."


These words are well said. Thats what I`d do. Make it a gig of ram tho.

Blacklash
02-23-04, 12:50 AM
I really don't need to add much here except to echo what others said. Get a gig of ram...

bkswaney
02-23-04, 03:29 AM
Get the Barton and mobo.
Then this summer get a new card.

You need a lot more power to push the card.

I can tell u flat with a new barton and mobo
it will give new life to your GF3. :)
You will see a lot more fps.

These new video cards need a lot of cpu power.

ragejg
02-23-04, 11:27 AM
A little rundown on scaling (numbers are approximations based on personal experience):

GF3/SDRAM/XP1700: 7.2k in 3dmark01
GF3/SDRAM/XP2000: 7.5k in 3dmark01
GF3/DDR/XP1700: 8k in 3dmark01
GF3/DDR/XP2000: 8.5k in 3dmark01
GF3/DDR/XP2400: 9k in 3dmark01
GF3/DDR dual ch./XP2400 overclocked: 10k in 3dmark01
GF3/DDR dual ch./XP2500 overclocked: 11k in 3dmark01

Highest ORB score is like 14k.... so, yeah, GF3 scales nicely... :)

Dazz
02-23-04, 05:04 PM
I would say get the following.

nForce2 w/ 1GB PC3200 w/ XP2500+ GeForceFX 5900XT.

Cotita
02-23-04, 08:24 PM
I upgraded from

athlon xp 1700+
512mb ddr333
biostar KT33 mobo
geforce 4 ti 4600

to

atlhon xp 2500+
1gb ddr333
abit nf7-s nforce2 ultra 400
geforce fx 5900nu

at stock speeds I can run all of my games at 1600x1200, and some of them with 2xAA and 4x aniso.

last weekend I finished tunning my rig by overclocking

the xp2500 now runs at 2.2ghz like a xp3200 (actually it can reach 2.4ghz but I like to keep temps below 60)

the memory now runs at 400fsb with 2.5-3-3-11 timings

I "upgraded" the 5900 to a "128mb 5950ultra" by flashing the bios.

I'm more than happy with the results.

Even at stock speeds I think its worth every penny and should last about 18 months until 3rd generation Socket 939 Athlon64 mobos with ddr2 and pci express come out at reasonable prices.

stncttr908
02-23-04, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by Dazz
I would say get the following.

nForce2 w/ 1GB PC3200 w/ XP2500+ GeForceFX 5900XT. I generally agree with the consensus, but I'd either wait for the new batch of cards or get a 9800 Pro 128MB. Now that is an awesome deal.

Cotita
02-23-04, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by stncttr908
I generally agree with the consensus, but I'd either wait for the new batch of cards or get a 9800 Pro 128MB. Now that is an awesome deal.

If you can get a 9800 por less than 200bucks then by all means get one. You can get a FX5900XT for less than 170 bucks now but I think a 9800 is worth the extra 20~25 dlls.

Zarich
02-23-04, 10:13 PM
I must say that this geforce 3. is a rock solid card... I have really enjoyed it.

TheTaz
02-24-04, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by ChrisRay
Honestly I see no point in buying an Athlon 64 Socket chip until PCI express comes out, Then I'm going to consider moving on, But considering the current price set and the pace of technology, Not a good idea IMO,


Problem is you are stuck in a situation where new technology is around the corner, Wait for it or invest now? I figure in 2 years PCI technology will have taken a firm hold over AGP, By then your Graphic card will need upgrading again anyway,

But a board assuming bus rate and socket dont change, could last longer.

I totally agree with Chris Ray... don't buy anything until PCI Express is out.

If you MUST upgrade now for a certain game or something... bump up yer Video Card with a 9600 Pro (Not SE, $130 on pricewatch.com) or FX5900XT ($184) for now... save yer pennies and buy a whole "sha-bang" this Fall.

My Daughter's machine is a 1.4 Ghz PIII Celeron with a 9600 Pro. Does very well for gaming. ;)

Regards,

Taz

Gator
02-24-04, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by TheTaz
I totally agree with Chris Ray... don't buy anything until PCI Express is out.


Well, that's debateable. I know how frustrating it can be to have an upgrade urge, and have everyone in the forums tell you to wait, something better is just around the corner, the prices will keep going down, just wait, yadda yadda.

True a GF3TI can indeed run all of today's current games, but I wouldn't recommend to keep waiting for PCI-E if you wanna upgrade now. PCI-E is hot, but lets not forget how much more expensive PCI-E video cards will likely be than AGP since they'll be brand new. Furthermore because it's brand new, you're almost guaranteed a PCI-E V2.0 will come out before long, so should one wait for that too? Lets not forget AGP 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x... I bought an AGP2x card back in the day thinking I was cool when what should come along but 4x and all of a sudden I don't seem so fast anymore, etc ;)

Originally posted by Zarich
I have a 1.2ghz thunderbird with a ti500 and pc133 ram.

This is a bare minimum for most games right now, it's time for an upgrade and I don't see a good reason for Zarich to wait for PCI-E. I recommend an Nforce2, Barton, DDR400, FX5900, and some happy gaming today and tomorrow ;)

Zarich
02-24-04, 11:42 AM
That scaling on the geforce 3 really makes me say.. hmmmm to the whole idea of upgrading.. maybe the new proc and ram would let me see another year of geforce3 happiness? Or would halflife2 run like crap.

Gator
02-24-04, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Zarich
That scaling on the geforce 3 really makes me say.. hmmmm to the whole idea of upgrading.. maybe the new proc and ram would let me see another year of geforce3 happiness? Or would halflife2 run like crap.

HL2 on a GF3TI? It would probably work ok if you limited it to 640x480 resolution (maybe 800x600) provided you upgraded the rest of your hardware. But if that resolution isn't acceptable to you, then FX5700NU or higher is your best bet.

Clay
02-24-04, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Zarich
That scaling on the geforce 3 really makes me say.. hmmmm to the whole idea of upgrading.. maybe the new proc and ram would let me see another year of geforce3 happiness? Or would halflife2 run like crap. The only real answer is "wait and see" ;) However, we know that HL2 will offer various shader paths (down to DX7) so if you turn of most of the other eye candy then the geometry is what could be the biggest potential strain. I'd be willing to bet that you could play it at 800x600 and have an acceptable gaming experience.