no PS 3.0 support for R420???

[3dfxfan]

According to this thread at Beyond3D, the R420 will only support Pixel Shaders 2.0, and not Pixel Shaders 3.0 as expected :

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10401

[tEd]

ps2.x

[EMunEeE]

Fine with me...as long has PS 2.0 shader performance is lightning fast. Supporting PS 3.0 IMO is only for PR marketing reasons (to say company A has it, and company B does not). I doubt we will see any games use PS 3.0 in the forseeable future. The R420 (or its refresh rather) is still a lock for me for purchase in summer/fall 2004. :)

[AthlonXP1800]

Yeah, R420 is basically the 3rd refreshing of R300.

I can see lots of 9700 Pro will get R420 and I think 9800 Pro & XT owners see no point to get R420.

We all never know whether or not Far Cry, Doom 3, Half Life 2 and Stalker will add PS & VS 3.0 support.

[Hellbinder]

Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
Yeah, R420 is basically the 3rd refreshing of R300.

I can see lots of 9700 Pro will get R420 and I think 9800 Pro & XT owners see no point to get R420.

We all never know whether or not Far Cry, Doom 3, Half Life 2 and Stalker will add PS & VS 3.0 support.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It is not another refresh of the R300... :rolleyes:

You will just have to wait and see for yourslef. This whole speculation is based on some assumption some guy made based on some software he used.

[-=DVS=-]

PS 3.0 support is good for nothing if hardware can't run it fast enough , example NV30/35 line poor PS 2.0 and reverts to lower precision and shaders for speed.

Now lets wait and see what future will bring us . Remember everything is PR bull untill proven in court of peoples benchmarks :D

[Quitch]

Originally posted by 3dfxfan
According to this thread at Beyond3D, the R420 will only support Pixel Shaders 2.0, and not Pixel Shaders 3.0 as expected :

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10401

Your post says WILL, the thread you link to says MIGHT. I do belive you're talking ass :)

[ChrisRay]

You know, it coulda have just been his interpretation, Whether thats how rumors get started or not, No reason to be a jerk

[Quitch]

I wasn't. That is what would be described in the UK as "pulling you leg" or gentle humor. If the phrasing wasn't enough, there was also a smilie. If that isn't enough... tough :P

DISCLAIMER: This post may contain light humour. The author takes no responsibility for the misinterpretation of this by the over-serious and self-appointed moderators.

P.S. There was nothing to interpret. They said "It says this", it didn't say that, end of story.

[bkswaney]

I think the 420 will pull from the R3xx design.
But it's not a refresh.

Much like nvidia is doing with the NV4x cards.

I cannot wait to see what ati brings us this go around. :)

[NickSpolec]

You know, it coulda have just been his interpretation, Whether thats how rumors get started or not, No reason to be a jerk

It's a perfect reason to be a jerk. 3Dfxfan always posts FUD and BS.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
You have no idea what you are talking about. It is not another refresh of the R300... :rolleyes:

You will just have to wait and see for yourslef. This whole speculation is based on some assumption some guy made based on some software he used.

Well, we'll know in about a month for sure.

Let the betting begin :afro:

[ChrisRay]

Originally posted by Quitch
I wasn't. That is what would be described in the UK as "pulling you leg" or gentle humor. If the phrasing wasn't enough, there was also a smilie. If that isn't enough... tough :P

DISCLAIMER: This post may contain light humour. The author takes no responsibility for the misinterpretation of this by the over-serious and self-appointed moderators.

P.S. There was nothing to interpret. They said "It says this", it didn't say that, end of story.


How can someones opinion not be open for interpretation? Did you even read the long posts on Beyond 3d? I really think you should go read the entire threads and original post,

Ya'll are ridiculous, There is nothen wrong with his post, My God there's a post 10 pages long about this on rage3d, over 15 pages on Beyond 3d last time I checked, and the entire thread is filled with different views on the issue.

Like I said. Ya'll being ridiculous, Theres absolutely nothing wrong with this post. Its called Heresay and rumors which can be portrayed as news, and it gives users something to talk about. :rolleyes:

[ragejg]

good point.

[AthlonXP1800]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
Let the betting begin :afro:

The betting has began now as I placed my bet. :D

I bet on 2 things about R420:

1. R420 will not supported PS & VS 3.0.

2. R420 will be approx 2 times faster than 9700 Pro, it wont be 3 times as people hoped for.

That explained Colin Mc Rae 4 demo ran on R420 performed 100fps to 120fps, I assumed it ran everything maxed at 1024x768x32 compared to Radeon 9700 Pro with Athlon XP 3000+ ran everything at maxed with 4xFSAA & 8xAF gave 50 to 65fps and at above 60fps on Athlon XP 2200+ overclocked to 2GHz with Radeon 9800XT from Rage3D thread (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33744153&perpage=30&pagenumber=1) and MAYA's Radeon 9700 Pro with Athlon XP 2800+ overclocked to 2.2GHz at this forum thread (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25296&perpage=20&pagenumber=1).

[Richthofen]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
You have no idea what you are talking about. It is not another refresh of the R300... :rolleyes:

You will just have to wait and see for yourslef. This whole speculation is based on some assumption some guy made based on some software he used.

No Hellbinder that is not correct.

The whole speculation is based on 2 things.
First one is the speculation a game developer @ the 3dcenter forum made based on ATIs developer tool "ashli".

The second thing is the owner of the website 3dcenter.de
He stated in a news or article that he got official confirmation that ATI is not going to support Shaders 3.0.
He says it is a direct source with pretty close insider information.

From his tone or voice it seems that Nvidia is the source. But thats my own or other forum members speculation/interpretation.

We will see pretty soon how it turns out. If the information is correct - then it is damn disappointing.

[PatrickL]

Richtofen you are wrong. he never said he had official confirmation.

He said he has a direct source that is pretty different and far from an official statement.

[Dazz]

Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
The betting has began now as I placed my bet. :D

I bet on 2 things about R420:

1. R420 will not supported PS & VS 3.0.

2. R420 will be approx 2 times faster than 9700 Pro, it wont be 3 times as people hoped for.

That explained Colin Mc Rae 4 demo ran on R420 performed 100fps to 120fps, I assumed it ran everything maxed at 1024x768x32 compared to Radeon 9700 Pro with Athlon XP 3000+ ran everything at maxed with 4xFSAA & 8xAF gave 50 to 65fps and at above 60fps on Athlon XP 2200+ overclocked to 2GHz with Radeon 9800XT from Rage3D thread (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33744153&perpage=30&pagenumber=1) and MAYA's Radeon 9700 Pro with Athlon XP 2800+ overclocked to 2.2GHz at this forum thread (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25296&perpage=20&pagenumber=1). The show model showed between 2 & 3 times as fast as any other DX9 card.

[5150 Joker]

The question that begs to be answered is will there be PS 3.0 games available within the next year? I think the likely answer is none or a very small amount that you could count with one hand--no major titles anyway. Seeing how PS 2.0 hasn't even really gotten off the ground yet, I can't imagine 3.0 being adapted anytime soon. I'd much rather see a speed up of PS 2.0 performance and overall performance rather than die space being spent on features that won't be put to use or will be severely outdated by the time they are required.

If the NV40 supports PS 3.0 but is slower than the R420, I'll buy the R420, no doubt about it. If they are both the same speed with the same AA/AF quality, then and only then will I buy NV40. My bet is the R420 will be faster.

[Richthofen]

Originally posted by PatrickL
Richtofen you are wrong. he never said he had official confirmation.

He said he has a direct source that is pretty different and far from an official statement.

yeah you are right. It's not an official information. That was the wrong expression on my part.
Furtheron i gave some wrong information.
The source is not Nvidia but an ATI AIB.

[jbirney]

From what I have heard this PS2.0 to PS3.0 is much like PS1.1 to PS1.4.

Meaning there is nothing you can do in PS3.0 that you can not do in PS2.0. Just that PS3.0 will run faster. I dont thing this will be THAT big of a deal. Shure its a bit dissapointing but who knows....

[Dazz]

I think its faulty information; think about it the R420 is a 32bit precision VPU which is what PS2.0 needs. Ati have confirmed it to be 32bit rather then 24bit.

[bkswaney]

Originally posted by Dazz
I think its faulty information; think about it the R420 is a 32bit precision VPU which is what PS2.0 needs. Ati have confirmed it to be 32bit rather then 24bit.


Really?? I thought ATI had not said anything more or less.
So it IS a 32bit for sure?

[Dazz]

It was the only details they gave out, that their next Generation cards would use 32bit rather then the current 24bit. 32bit is needed for DX9.1 / C spec video card.

[tEd]

Originally posted by Dazz
It was the only details they gave out, that their next Generation cards would use 32bit rather then the current 24bit. 32bit is needed for DX9.1 / C spec video card.

32bit isn't required.