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alosito
02-27-04, 04:43 PM
I am very new at this. I am trying to choose between two laptops with a 17-inch monitor: HP Pavilion zd7010us and HP Pavilion zd7101us. The first one comes with a GeForce4 440 Go video card and the second one has GeForce FX Go5600. How much difference in picture quality does GeForce4 really bring? The laptop will be used mostly for regular desktop applications and very occasional DVDs.

saturnotaku
02-27-04, 04:47 PM
Both chipsets should provide comparable image quality. Regardless, I wouldn't get the 440 Go. That's based on GeForce2 technology. If you plan on keeping this laptop for a while, get the FX Go. Even if you only game a little bit (or decide to get into it later), you will be much, much happier with the FX.

5150 Joker
02-27-04, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by alosito
I am very new at this. I am trying to choose between two laptops with a 17-inch monitor: HP Pavilion zd7010us and HP Pavilion zd7101us. The first one comes with a GeForce4 440 Go video card and the second one has GeForce FX Go5600. How much difference in picture quality does GeForce4 really bring? The laptop will be used mostly for regular desktop applications and very occasional DVDs.


Skip HP and go for the Dell XPS laptop, it owns.

alosito
02-27-04, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by 5150 Joker
Skip HP and go for the Dell XPS laptop, it owns.
It is more than twice as expensive and it only has a 15-inch display. Is it really worth it?

Clay
02-27-04, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by alosito
The laptop will be used mostly for regular desktop applications and very occasional DVDs. One thing to consider just in case you plan on also doing any gaming is that these widescreen laptops don't always play nice when it comes to "standard" resolutions... i.e. most games don't support that widescreen layout/resolution. So some games might look a bit stretched or cropped.

alosito
02-27-04, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by saturnotaku
Regardless, I wouldn't get the 440 Go. That's based on GeForce2 technology.
So even though it is a GeForce4 chip, it is based on GeForce2 technology?

trashcan
02-27-04, 06:16 PM
Dude I just bought a laptop. I got AMD 64 3000 cpu,60 gig,512 megs,64 meg ati 9600,dvd cd-rw, for $1,550 with 250$ mail in rebate new. I dont know if you have to have a nvidia chipset for video (linux made me think about not getting ATI card),or if you have to be under a dollar amount,but this laptop rocks and the ATI is better then the FX to go5600, I assume it is anyways.


Here is all the laptops you listed plus what I bought, for you to compare. Also you missed it by about week BestBuy had up to $450 rebates on some laptops.The laptop I bought now only has a 100$ dollar rebate. Wait a week or two and they will have deals again I bet.


Laptop I bought:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1069301995506&skuId=6249703&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01174


Laptop your looking at:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1061769819806&skuId=5990412&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01174





Couldn't find a zd7101us,but I thought this looked good for a nvidia based laptop when I was looking to buy.It's got the better video,but smaller screen and smaller hard drive,but also costs $300 less then the one your looking at.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1067388547609&skuId=6172768&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01174


The bad thing about buying a laptop is your stuck with it for a while and there isn't much you can upgrade. I recommend taking your time and look, then look some more. Dont worry about what someone says about buying this brand or that, as long as YOU are happy that is all that matters.

dante_uk
02-27-04, 06:39 PM
Actually, my work laptop is a dell with widescreen, max res is 1280x800 ( though I know some go higher, 1600,x1400)
It's nvidia Geforce 4GO and no it's not based on Geforce 2. It's more like the xbox chip. It has some pixel shaders.
I've played Q3 and UT2004 demo on it under linux ( SuSe 8.2 )
and I played the pile of s**t Deus sux2 demo under the winxp partitiion.
The Deus sux2 demo won't run without pixelshaders. Not that you'd guess from the crap graphics ( I've seen the demo on the xbox too and looks exactly the same).
Also ran 3dMark2003 game tests 1,2,3 ( 4 requires dx9 cards ).

I'd properly go to the FX card though I suspect for DX7/8 gaming the GF4GO may actually be slightly faster.

Gator
02-27-04, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by alosito
So even though it is a GeForce4 chip, it is based on GeForce2 technology?

Yes, all GF4MX (which includes the Geforce 440 Go) are actually based upon the GF2 core design but with higher clock speeds. That means it only supports DX7 which is very old.

The GeForce FX Go5600 is pretty decent for laptop video cards, and if the price is right on that HP then go for it. It should last you for whille and has DX9 support. I like Dell laptops with the R9600 better, but HP has surprisingly good warranty and tech support so if it fits your budget then why not. :)

alosito
02-27-04, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by trashcan
Laptop I bought:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1069301995506&skuId=6249703&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01174
eMachine??? Right!

DSC
02-27-04, 11:49 PM
GF4 Go doesn't have Pixel Shader unit, and games that requires PS won't run on it at all(Prince of Persia, Deus Ex:IW etc).

bkswaney
02-28-04, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by DSC
GF4 Go doesn't have Pixel Shader unit, and games that requires PS won't run on it at all(Prince of Persia, Deus Ex:IW etc).


Correct. I would go with the FX for sure.
Or with a ATI card.
The ATI cards in the laptops kick the crap
out of nvidia's.
Nvidia really needs to do something in that market.
ATI has taken a lot of nvidia's market share there.

goofer456
02-28-04, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by bkswaney
Or with a ATI card.
The ATI cards in the laptops kick the crap
out of nvidia's.
Nvidia really needs to do something in that market.
ATI has taken a lot of nvidia's market share there.

dante_uk
02-28-04, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by DSC
GF4 Go doesn't have Pixel Shader unit, and games that requires PS won't run on it at all(Prince of Persia, Deus Ex:IW etc).

Excuse me but:
http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4go.html
or directly to the pdf
http://www.nvidia.com/object/LO_20021113_4730.html

So you're maybe right about the GF4 440 GO but I have the GF4 4200 GO
and that does have Pixel shaders and did run the Deus Sux 2 Demo.

In fact according to the pdf it supports PS 2.0+

• nfiniteFX engine for fully programmable
vertex & pixel Shaders (VS2.0+ & PS2.0+)


but that doesn't seem right. It does run the 3dmark2001 nature demo but not the 3dmark2003 nature demo.

Edge
02-28-04, 08:55 AM
The 3dmark2003 nature scene uses DX9 shaders, not DX8, so it doesn't work on any cards except the GFFX and the ATI 9500 or higher. The 3dmark2001 Nature test, as well as game tests 2&3 of 3dmark2003, use DirectX8 shaders.

And the GF4 4200 Go is a totally different chip from the 420/440/460 chips, the ones with 4x00 in the name are REAL Geforce 4 cards, the other ones are just GF2 cards with higher clocks.

dante_uk
02-28-04, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by Edge
The 3dmark2003 nature scene uses DX9 shaders, not DX8, so it doesn't work on any cards except the GFFX and the ATI 9500 or higher. The 3dmark2001 Nature test, as well as game tests 2&3 of 3dmark2003, use DirectX8 shaders.

Not that I disagree with anything you said. But to clarify, I never said my GF4 4200GO ran the 3dmark2003 nature scence, I was maybe a little unclear there.

The link above in my post and the quote from the pdf do say that the GF4 4200GO supports PS 2.0. Now I personly think that is wrong and so does 3dmark2003, which is why it won't run the nature scene.

Maybe someone at nvidia should try proof reading those pdf's or explain exactly which bit of the PS2.0 spec this chip can handle :)

Johnmcl7
02-28-04, 03:31 PM
The GF4 go naming is incredibly confusing, the GF4 4200 go is a good gaming graphics card unlike the other GF4 gos (420,440,460) If the decision was between the GF4 4200go and the FX5600 it might be tougher, but the choice between a GF2 based card and FX based card is easy, the FX5600. You can't upgrade the laptop afterwards, so you may live to regret it if you don't go for the FX card to start off with.

John

bkswaney
02-28-04, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Johnmcl7
The GF4 go naming is incredibly confusing, the GF4 4200 go is a good gaming graphics card unlike the other GF4 gos (420,440,460) If the decision was between the GF4 4200go and the FX5600 it might be tougher, but the choice between a GF2 based card and FX based card is easy, the FX5600. You can't upgrade the laptop afterwards, so you may live to regret it if you don't go for the FX card to start off with.

John

Well, some very high end laptops can be upgraded.
But most cannot.

I have a GF2GO in my notebook. It's been a great card
just outdated now.
Still it's very stable. :)

thor1182
03-01-04, 11:21 AM
go with a Alien Ware Area 51m. It has user upgradability, and looks good. Eventually they will get more colors, and a new 16.1 screen. The XPS looks ugly and unwiedly.

theultimo
03-01-04, 10:33 PM
My FX works great, I would recommend it or a 5700 when it comes out.

Johnmcl7
03-02-04, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by bkswaney
Well, some very high end laptops can be upgraded.
But most cannot.

I have a GF2GO in my notebook. It's been a great card
just outdated now.
Still it's very stable. :)

I do know some laptop cards can upgraded (Dell and Alienware) but it's also proprietary, and in this case he can't upgrade, so it's really better going for the better graphics card from the start.

It's a 9600 pro turbo(!) that I've got in my laptop, great little graphics card, been playing UT2k4 with AA and AF on no problem :cool:

John

goofer456
03-02-04, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Johnmcl7
I do know some laptop cards can upgraded (Dell and Alienware) but it's also proprietary, and in this case he can't upgrade, so it's really better going for the better graphics card from the start.

It's a 9600 pro turbo(!) that I've got in my laptop, great little graphics card, been playing UT2k4 with AA and AF on no problem :cool:

John

Did you read the benchmarks of the 9700 mobile? They are even more stunning and way beyond the competition;)