April - June look to be exciting

[zakelwe]

I had a thread called something like "nv40 are you excited yet" but it got closed before any excitement appeared, I started it too early :) , but now I think there is a bit more excitement appearing, without hopefully counting chickens before they are hatched, like the nv30 story.

On Anandtech they have reported the moving of AMD FX55 to May, as well as several AMD64 variants in 939 and 754 pin versions around this time ; D stepping Prescott in 775 format will also be present.

So it looks like April - June will be a fantastic time to get a really fast system that should actually last a long time, ignoring the expense of course ;)

I find the prospect of maybe a 2.6GHz AMD FX55 or 2.4GHz AMD 64 3800+ coupled with an nv40 ( or r420 ) a really mouthwatering prospect, recent games have knocked frame rates back to below 60 again fairly easily, so it would be nice to have to not make too many sacrifices , if any, with the new hardware and keep it above 60.

The cost to me in the UK will take some swallowing. I would need a new motherboard, the cpu, upgrade to 1GB RAM and also the video card to get for this sort of system. As we tend to pay 30-50% more than the USA as well the cost is rather daunting.

However I feel that sort of system might have quite a long lifetime ahead of it, like my GF4 which has just run out of steam a couple of months ago. It would be nice to have the hardware makers ahead of the software developers fos a period as well :)

If anyone is thinking of going nv40 / r420 are you also going to try and upgrade the cpu / ram as well to make sure the system is balanced and not system capped, or is it going to be a case of grab the card first then slowly upgrade due to cost ?

Note, this is assuming normal $499 for top end cards, I have to assume something at this stage so that seems as good a guess as any.

Regards

Andy

[MUYA]

Yah man looks an exciting time ahead for us hardware phreaks!

Personally I am only looking to upgrade me CPU and mobo when a socket 939/Socket 755 CPU hits 4000+ as I already have a barton 2800+@2.2Ghz :D but thast Q1 2005 according to Anadtech's roadmaps!!!! Enough time to save up or drink it away :p

[AthlonXP1800]

Yeah it will be very exciting time in May/June with socket 939 with PCI Express and Athlon 64 3800+ will be launch in May.

Cant wait to upgrade my system to Athlon 64 3800+ and NV40 PCI Express version. :)

[DMA]

Time to start saving some money again. *sigh* :)

[AthlonXP1800]

Originally posted by DMA
Time to start saving some money again. *sigh* :)

:lol: I been saving since over a year ago for Athlon 64 but it never released so I kept my saving for it when I heard about new socket 939 and PCI Express. Now I am ready to buy! :p

[zakelwe]

It's not going to be one of those leaps where you buy the hardware and then have to measure it to make sure you have spent money wisely, it is going to be one of those leaps which blows you away :)

IMHO ;)

Regards

Andy

[DMA]

Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
:lol: I been saving since over a year ago for Athlon 64 but it never released so I kept my saving for it when I heard about new socket 939 and PCI Express. Now I am ready to buy! :p

So you're all set then i guess. I have to sell alot of my old toys to afford the new goodies. My 9800XT is out the door next, so there i have half the R420. :)

Originally posted by zakelwe
It's not going to be one of those leaps where you buy the hardware and then have to measure it to make sure you have spent money wisely, it is going to be one of those leaps which blows you away :)



Yeah, this will be fun fun fun times for the nerds. ;) :bounce:
I wonder how NV40/R420 will run on todays systems, a P4 2.4C for example. Todays high end cards feel a little sluggish with a slower CPU, so who knows how much CPU power these monster cards are gonna need. :p

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by DMA



Yeah, this will be fun fun fun times for the nerds. ;) :bounce:
I wonder how NV40/R420 will run on todays systems, a P4 2.4C for example. Todays high end cards feel a little sluggish with a slower CPU, so who knows how much CPU power these monster cards are gonna need. :p

That's a pretty good point to be honest, in the past if your cpu was not up to it you could buy a fast video card and run at high IQ settings as you would still be getting the same frame rate as you would at low settings and being cpu capped, ie the video card took the strain.

With all the game AI/sound etc coming out is might be so that you have to compliment the video card quite equally with a fast cpu, ie a totally balanced system. I think UT2003 botmatch is a good example of both cpu and gpu needing to be good for good frame rates, surely this trend is going to continue into the future ?

I feel this sort of system balanced progress is sometimes forgotten on more graphics orientated sites, where talking about video cards is more important than using video cards to their full advantage by thinking about the rest of the system, ie theoretical not practical.

Regards

Andy

[S.I.N]

Originally posted by DMA
So you're all set then i guess. I have to sell alot of my old toys to afford the new goodies. My 9800XT is out the door next, so there i have half the R420. :)

Please do PM when your ready to let that go and if its under $300.:D

[DMA]

Originally posted by zakelwe
I think UT2003 botmatch is a good example of both cpu and gpu needing to be good for good frame rates, surely this trend is going to continue into the future ?


Probably. But i think a ~3 GHz cpu will do just fine. :)
This generation we'll see a nice little performance jump in shaders, FSAA etc, so i guess the cards will have to do more work this time.

Originally posted by S.I.N
Please do PM when your ready to let that go and if its under $300.:D

Hehe, i must say it hurts even thinking about selling my 9800XT. But now is the time to sell it i guess. At least if i want some money for it. :p
I'm thinking that i'll do just fine with a 5900XT until the next gen ships (all i really play atm is UT, and for that the NV card is just fine). But then again, what if Far Cry shows up after i've sold the 9800XT? (omg)

I'd hate to be stuck with a "not so good" DX9 card then. :)

Life is hard.. :D

[Woodelf]

Socket 939 sounds cool, but I think I'll wait for more speed to go in it before I get one.

[MUYA]

Originally posted by Woodelf
Socket 939 sounds cool, but I think I'll wait for more speed to go in it before I get one.

Seconded and waiting for 4000+ will probably enable the market to be introduced to retail 64 bit games, OS, applications etc :D So I will wait a year or so :D

Edit: I forgot to mention I was more excited about the new GPUS :D

[GlowStick]

I also want a new cpu really bad, but that means new


Mainboard, CPU Ram

and then i might as well get a new case and psu since id have so many spare parts.

So a cpu just costs soo much : (

[bkswaney]

I'm hoping for a prescott that will clock up to 4ghz that fits my 875P chipset board.
Maybe the new stepping coming will do the trick. :)

Plus I'm going to slap a NV40 or R420 in it and be happy till Q2 2005.
That will be a 700 dollar upgrade this year.

[Geforce4ti4200]

it certainly looks to be exciting a couple months from now like it should too. enough with all those delays! :mad:


"I wonder how NV40/R420 will run on todays systems, a P4 2.4C for example. Todays high end cards feel a little sluggish with a slower CPU, so who knows how much CPU power these monster cards are gonna need."


they will run on a 2.4c but be so badly bottlenecked, even at 1600x1200 itll be totally wasted anyway. I wouldnt run it on less than a 4GHz overclocked p4 or 2.5GHz overclocked a64


"So you're all set then i guess. I have to sell alot of my old toys to afford the new goodies. My 9800XT is out the door next, so there i have half the R420."


If you want to sell it, do so now before it loses $100 in value. the 9800xt is already way overpriced compared to a 9800 pro anyway

[nutball]

Ufff. Nah, I've just finished building my new box, and very little that's going to come out in the April-June timescale is going to replace anything that's in it now.

The reason? It's built to be quiet, and it's going to stay quiet.

3GHz processor? No thanks, I'm already underclocking the one I've got.

NV40/R420? Nice idea, but not if they dissipate more heat than the FX5900U already does.

PCI-Express? Errrr... why? Exactly?

I've done overclocking, I've done bleeding edge. Seen the movie, got the T-shirt. Boring! I've growed up and moved on. :)

Now one of these (http://www.samsungelectronics.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecuk/product/product_detail.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1037252302.107 8487941@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfadckkfejmgfcfekcefedffgdfmh.0&prod_id=NB21BSAS)... mmmmmm.

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by nutball
Ufff. Nah, I've just finished building my new box, and very little that's going to come out in the April-June timescale is going to replace anything that's in it now.

The reason? It's built to be quiet, and it's going to stay quiet.

3GHz processor? No thanks, I'm already underclocking the one I've got.

NV40/R420? Nice idea, but not if they dissipate more heat than the FX5900U already does.

PCI-Express? Errrr... why? Exactly?

I've done overclocking, I've done bleeding edge. Seen the movie, got the T-shirt. Boring! I've growed up and moved on. :)

Now one of these (http://www.samsungelectronics.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecuk/product/product_detail.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1037252302.107 8487941@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfadckkfejmgfcfekcefedffgdfmh.0&prod_id=NB21BSAS)... mmmmmm.

Underclocked = rare breed.
Do You play games ?.

[fasedww]

Originally posted by MUYA
Seconded and waiting for 4000+ will probably enable the market to be introduced to retail 64 bit games, OS, applications etc :D So I will wait a year or so :D

Edit: I forgot to mention I was more excited about the new GPUS :D Thats what I"m getting with a Nforce 250 motherboard to jack up the speed on those 939 pin Amd's Hopefully to 3.00 Ghz. How's that for speed?, with one of those new generation video cards.

[nutball]

Originally posted by Woodelf
Underclocked = rare breed.
Do You play games ?.

Yes, but only rarely first-person shooters; certainly not enough to justify living with a case full of noisy fans!

:)

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by nutball
Yes, but only rarely first-person shooters; certainly not enough to justify living with a case full of noisy fans!

:)

I just find it interesting that someone would buy a fast chip to underclock, instead of saving their money and just get a cheaper slower cooler running chip. It Just seems so out of place to see a post like that on a site that focuses on gaming performance graphics cards.

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by Woodelf
I just find it interesting that someone would buy a fast chip to underclock, instead of saving their money and just get a cheaper slower cooler running chip. It Just seems so out of place to see a post like that on a site that focuses on gaming performance graphics cards.


exactly, waste of money too. He must not be much of a gamer either

[nobie]

Originally posted by nutball
Yes, but only rarely first-person shooters; certainly not enough to justify living with a case full of noisy fans!


Personally, I find the type of white noise produced by computer fans to be quite soothing :)

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by nobie
Personally, I find the type of white noise produced by computer fans to be quite soothing :) Heh i have a friend who is like that, he cant sleep with out turning his computer on first.....

[nutball]

Originally posted by Woodelf
I just find it interesting that someone would buy a fast chip to underclock, instead of saving their money and just get a cheaper slower cooler running chip.

If you underclock you can undervolt. That reduces the heat dissipation below that of the slower "cheaper" processors of equal effective performance.

It Just seems so out of place to see a post like that on a site that focuses on gaming performance graphics cards.

Meh. Overclockers think that they're the only game in town. Kinda childish IMO.

I'm not disinterested in performance, it's just that as far as I'm concerned performance is only one part of the trade-off. Noise is another element.

[nutball]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
exactly, waste of money too. He must not be much of a gamer either

Yeah well, last time I looked it was my money, not yours.

And there are games out there that don't require top-end CPUs you know.