NV40 has hardware MPEG 1,2,4 decode/encode

[Nv40]

if ATI says it then its true?
ATI original papers says that R300 support TRueform and SS antialiasing.. mmm.

if i cant use my favorite Program or any other ,(far better than the pinaccle included software) and the supposedly "encoding" capabilities of ATI hardware are restricted to x software then is useless. which DEvelopers not PR marketting says clearly that ATI HArdware DOESNT support Decoding in hardware ,but that is merely "software based". end of story for me.

btw.. my resolutions of HDTV are incorrect.. was waiting for someone to correct it..
thanks for the clarification. :)

[sxotty]

Originally posted by Razor04
NV is going to run into the exact same problem as ATI in this arena. DirectX VA is the only way to access these features somewhat easily (and even then the MS documentation is horrible) but I don't know of very many codecs that are based purely in DirectX.

First you speak too quickly there is something called openGl and they could access it thru that if the hardware makers make it accesible, 2nd there isn't an inherent reason it has to be DX like I said.

Third I have an ATI card man, if I read that the R420 was going to have mpeg encoding hardware that would be as good as say the HAUPPAUGE 250 pvr then I would be jumpin up and down in excitement, please don't judge this based on some silly idea of brand bias the fact is I am about to buy a mpeg encoding card and if any new graphics card can do it instead that is $150 saved which means the graphics card can cost $150 more sweet deal for me.

[Razor04]

Originally posted by Nv40
if ATI says it then its true?
ATI original papers says that R300 support TRueform and SS antialiasing.. mmm.

if i cant use my favorite Program or any other ,(far better than the pinaccle included software) and the supposedly "encoding" capabilities of ATI hardware are restricted to x software then is useless. which DEvelopers not PR marketting says clearly that ATI HArdware DOESNT support Decoding in hardware ,but that is merely "software based". end of story for me.

btw.. my resolutions of HDTV are incorrect.. was waiting for someone to correct it..
thanks for the clarification. :)
Last I checked there was a TruForm box in the driver properties. SS on the other hand...well we all know the story behind that. Just because it isn't exposed currently doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that it can't be used with the correct software. Also just because one piece of software can do something doesn't mean that it is vapor and doesn't exist. It just means that that person found a way to do it that might have needed some special support. In the case of harware encoding this hasn't been really pushed in any form (by ATI or anyone else) because of the complexity in getting it to work (see my points above). I am not saying that ATI is perfect...but I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

BTW...I think you are a little confused about the hardware decoding support. ATI has had this for ages...much much longer than NV has. Hell NV never did anything more than HWMC till they got into the laptop market. Even after they added iDCT support to their chips they refused to include it on anything other than their extremely low end chips because "the high end comps don't need hardware acceleration". Oh and ATI's hardware decoding is supported in WinDVD, PowerDVD and even in nVDVD.

[Razor04]

Originally posted by sxotty
First you speak too quickly there is something called openGl and they could access it thru that if the hardware makers make it accesible, 2nd there isn't an inherent reason it has to be DX like I said.

Third I have an ATI card man, if I read that the R420 was going to have mpeg encoding hardware that would be as good as say the HAUPPAUGE 250 pvr then I would be jumpin up and down in excitement, please don't judge this based on some silly idea of brand bias the fact is I am about to buy a mpeg encoding card and if any new graphics card can do it instead that is $150 saved which means the graphics card can cost $150 more sweet deal for me.
True there is OpenGL...but I have never seen a video codec access it. Doesn't mean it can't be done though. There are codecs that are native to DirectX but most are VFW only. I don't see where brand bias plays into this. If NV does create some uber card with the NV40 I will surely pick it over an ATI card. I just want whatever is best and whatever gives me the best value. If you were referring to my comment about replacing NV with ATI in the Inq story then all I meant was that it wouldn't have ended up as big of a deal as it has with NV.

One thing about the current hardware encoders...do any of them other than high end professional cards compress anything other than the stream coming into the card? What I mean is can they compress something that didn't enter the card through a external input? I am not very familiar in this area and don't know how they work in this aspect.

[sxotty]

Originally posted by Razor04

One thing about the current hardware encoders...do any of them other than high end professional cards compress anything other than the stream coming into the card? What I mean is can they compress something that didn't enter the card through a external input? I am not very familiar in this area and don't know how they work in this aspect.

You know I actually have no idea... you would think I would have found out but I wanted the card to compress VCR tapes-->Mpeg2-->DVD R so I never even thought about whether it would compress an uncompressed avi or something.

[bloodbob]

Of course it could also be hardware accelerated compression just like the hardware accelerated tech demos for photon mapping which run faster on like a P3 in software :)

[sxotty]

Originally posted by Razor04
even in nVDVD.

good I use nvDVD :)

[gmontem]

Scaling - No big deal here...just the same old thing that cards do when they resize for TV Out.
But high-quality scaling is a big deal. These cards need better scalers that can match or exceed at least the high quality scaling done in the Faroudja FLI2300 chip.

And I feel advances in motion-adaptive deinterlacing on consumer video cards are pretty important. I would like them to do better than those expensive dedicated deinterlacers. Also I doubt the current ATI and NVIDIA boards can deinterlace 1080i.

[adm]

All I can say is that I can't wait for it, Hopefully it'll be at an affordable price though.

[Vishruth]

All I can say is that I can't wait for it, Hopefully it'll be at an affordable price though.
ahem...? :zombie4:

You do realise this thread is about a year old, don't you? And as far as I know, Nvidia 6600's are affordable.

[gram_vaz]

lol, i so thought this thread was weird at the beginning. i thought to myself, wtf? i thought the 6 series were the nv40 gpu...

[einstein_314]

All I can say is that I can't wait for it, Hopefully it'll be at an affordable price though.

Umm, yeah, me too...Oh wait, I bought one 10 months ago and the encoder/decoder still doesn't work correctly. Way to revive a long lost thread..:D

[ChrisRay]

Old thread. Doesnt need to be bumped. :p