So what about heat and power on the new round of cards ?

[Spotch]

Originally posted by MUYA
I got the 2800+ where it is warrantied ;) As u can't get things from AMD thru official channels in NEPAL. So u have to order it and laso pay a premium for delivery and it best have a local waranty. And it did.

Also say you bought an OEM CPU in newegg and it was DOA? would newegg not replace that or a retail shop? Curious. U can in Hong Kong, where I am at now.

Here in the US of Gay Marriages, :eek2: , they sure wouldn't replace it two and a half years down the road! Dont know of anyone on earth that would. Also nothing beats a new Intel prcessor complete with prepaid shipping package fed-exed to your door within a day. :D

[MUYA]

Originally posted by Spotch
Here in the US of Gay Marriages, :eek2: , they sure wouldn't replace it two and a half years down the road! Dont know of anyone on earth that would. Also nothing beats a new Intel prcessor complete with prepaid shipping package fed-exed to your door within a day. :D

Hardly any online shops in HKG and the prices are like the retail shop prices too. But, HKG is just a few islands within a few hundred KM squared so probably why the intenet thang hasn't taken off :D

[Spotch]

Originally posted by MUYA
Hardly any online shops in HKG and the prices are like the retail shop prices too. But, HKG is just a few islands within a few hundred KM squared so probably why the intenet thang hasn't taken off :D

I think it might be because HKG is pretty much the biggest shopping center in the world.

(salute)

[MUYA]

Originally posted by Spotch
I think it might be because HKG is pretty much the biggest shopping center in the world.

(salute)

LOL maybe! :D But, computer parts prices are still expensive dude compared to online rpices etc in the US. Sometimes availability of certain things like for eg Athlon64s are limited initially. U folks in the US and Europe as well as Japan get first stabs at it.

[Spotch]

Originally posted by MUYA
LOL maybe! :D But, computer parts prices are still expensive dude compared to online rpices etc in the US. Sometimes availability of certain things like for eg Athlon64s are limited initially. U folks in the US and Europe as well as Japan get first stabs at it.

I bet nice knee high womens red italian leather boots are cheaper in HKG than in the US.

:canadian:

[MUYA]

Originally posted by Spotch
I bet nice knee high womens red italian leather boots are cheaper in HKG than in the US.

:canadian:

Dunno dude, I dun have a fetish for womens knee high red italian leather boots so I wouldn't know :p

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Spotch
Oh sorry I dont play 2001se. :rolleyes:



Then how would you like it explained to you?.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:D

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Spotch
they sure wouldn't replace it two and a half years down the road! Dont know of anyone on earth that would.
If Your talking about processors, I do. Although at the rate of todays tech.
It seems to be slowing down. Really, it's all relative to what games are pushing the hardware today. Games for PC just aren't comming out like they used to, and developers are now leaning towards the console market. I was hoping that the D3 and HL2 engines would be showing up in games by now to help boost the PC market. One can only wait.

Originally posted by Spotch
Also nothing beats a new Intel prcessor complete with prepaid shipping package fed-exed to your door within a day. :D [/B]
Apparently Athlon FX-51's do. ;)

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Spotch
I bet nice knee high womens red italian leather boots are cheaper in HKG than in the US.

:canadian:

Woa, where did that come from. :jumping:

[Spotch]

Originally posted by Woodelf
Then how would you like it explained to you?.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:D

How about in terms of what benefit you get when you are actually USING your computer instead of when you are testing it.

Originally posted by Woodelf

Apparently Athlon FX-51's do. ;)

I am talking about Intel's warranty performance not the actual performance of the chip itself! :bash:

Originally posted by MUYA
Dunno dude, I dun have a fetish for womens knee high red italian leather boots so I wouldn't know :p

Originally posted by Woodelf
Woa, where did that come from. :jumping:

My dad bought some for my mom when they went to HKG back in the 70's so I know bargains can be found. :). Plus if you have never tried a pair on then you don't know what you're missing.

:naughty:

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Spotch
How about in terms of what benefit you get when you are actually USING your computer instead of when you are testing it.

Ok, I went from certain games with certain thing's turned on (I can't remember precisely which ones since I didn't know there would be a quiz) fast. Then after the mod. I went really fast (higher frame rates). Now you know why I gave you 2001se. I wanted you to see a relative increase in actual numbers. sure people say it's optimised for certain hardware. I wasn't comparing different hardware, just an increase in speed on the same hardware. The only way you are going to see a true representation of the increase is through some form of set benchmark that never changes from one test to another, whether it be unreal 2003 or quake 3 benchmark. It need's to be a benchmark. and no you don't play benchmarks. Have you ever overclocked?. I can tell you from experience that it does work (well) in games. prove us wrong. ;)


Originally posted by Spotch
I am talking about Intel's warranty performance not the actual performance of the chip itself! :bash:

[/B]

Chances are really high that if a chip is going to fail, it will be during the burn in period anyway. That's the main reason to burn in. after that (unless you've overclocked a chip you want to keep over 2 years) your highly safe. I suppose it depend's on your income and chip price and avail. too. Warranties on chip's aren't my highest priority when there's a 30 day dealer warranty. I don't have time to wait for a replacement anyway. For sure though, I would get a retail chip if it were over $300.00. so it depend's. I don't really care about $80.00 athlon xp's being retail.

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Spotch



I am talking about Intel's warranty performance not the actual performance of the chip itself! :bash:



well, they both have a 3 year (boxed) warranty. so I don't see why you said nothing beat's intel warranty performance.

http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/products/box_processors/desktop/proc_dsk_p4/product_overview/war_inf/index.htm

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_867_2139,00.html

Also, overclocking void's your warranty. another reason I'm not too concerned about warranties. You don't overclock.

[Spotch]

Originally posted by Woodelf
Ok, I went from certain games with certain thing's turned on (I can't remember precisely which ones since I didn't know there would be a quiz) fast. Then after the mod. I went really fast (higher frame rates). Now you know why I gave you 2001se. I wanted you to see a relative increase in actual numbers. sure people say it's optimised for certain hardware. I wasn't comparing different hardware, just an increase in speed on the same hardware. The only way you are going to see a true representation of the increase is through some form of set benchmark that never changes from one test to another, whether it be unreal 2003 or quake 3 benchmark. It need's to be a benchmark. and no you don't play benchmarks. Have you ever overclocked?. I can tell you from experience that it does work (well) in games. prove us wrong. ;)


So are you saying that you overclock to get better performance when you play games?

Originally posted by Woodelf
well, they both have a 3 year (boxed) warranty. so I don't see why you said nothing beat's intel warranty performance.

http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/products/box_processors/desktop/proc_dsk_p4/product_overview/war_inf/index.htm

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_867_2139,00.html

Also, overclocking void's your warranty. another reason I'm not too concerned about warranties. You don't overclock.

I know that they both have the same warranty. The point was that the manufacturers warranty (Intel's in this case since it is based on my experience) is usually better than dealing with a third party distributor's warranty. For instance you would have to pay to ship the defective part back to newegg. With Intel I did not.

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Spotch
So are you saying that you overclock to get better performance when you play games?

From the begining. Yes.


Originally posted by Spotch
I know that they both have the same warranty. The point was that the manufacturers warranty (Intel's in this case since it is based on my experience) is usually better than dealing with a third party distributor's warranty. For instance you would have to pay to ship the defective part back to newegg. With Intel I did not.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Your wrong in getting retail chip's.
I was just trying to figure out why you said:
"Also nothing beats a new Intel prcessor complete with prepaid shipping package fed-exed to your door within a day."
And:
"I am talking about Intel's warranty performance not the actual performance of the chip itself!"

Didn't understand what Intel had to do with it.


As for Me,
I don't worry about such petty fee's as shipping a small part.
I recently shipped back a 9800pro to newegg (overnight). I don't like to wait.
Had the replacement the next week.
How long does it take to get it back from intel ?.
Personally out of the hundreds of processors that I've purchased, I've never had a problem with one failing due to normal usage. So You can see why I'm not so worried about chip warranties.
Half of them (the cheaper ones) I get locally. The rest from newegg.
I will say though that, of the processors in my spec's. Three are retail.
But only because they were a deal. like $5.00 difference.
My main chip (fastest) are always retail. I don't want to chance that sombody else has tested it for overclocking purposes. But then that wouldn't pertain to you either.:)

[Spotch]

Originally posted by Woodelf
From the begining. Yes.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Your wrong in getting retail chip's.
I was just trying to figure out why you said:
"Also nothing beats a new Intel prcessor complete with prepaid shipping package fed-exed to your door within a day."
And:
"I am talking about Intel's warranty performance not the actual performance of the chip itself!"

Didn't understand what Intel had to do with it.



I was stating an actual example of the benefit of RETAIL warrantys. It just so happens that the expeience is from an Intel RMA. I am not sure why it is so difficult for you to grasp the meaning here.

Maybe its because my english isn't so good.

Or....

Is it possible that if I had used an NVIDIA RMA as an example would you have replied saying ATI's warranty is just as good as NVIDIAS?
Ford->Chevy?
Boeing->Airbus?
Coke->Pepsi?
BubbleYum->Bubblicious?
Trojan->Durex?

:D


Originally posted by Woodelf

How long does it take to get it back from intel ?.
Personally out of the hundreds of processors that I've purchased, I've never had a problem with one failing due to normal usage. So You can see why I'm not so worried about chip warranties.


Intel sent the new processor in advance with a prepaid shipping envelope and container. I made the call and got the new chip the following morning.
If you have purchased hundreds of processors then you must only use them for about 2 weeks each or you purchase them for others so its clear a 3 year warranty is meaningless to you. I did state that a nice retail warranty offers piece of mind as well as protection. For instance I have never had a TV die on me within the first 4 years of purchase however it is still valuable to me to buy a 4 year protection on my investment just incase it does happen.

Anyhow lets just leave this alone and get this thread back on topic.

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Spotch
[B]I was stating an actual example of the benefit of RETAIL warrantys. It just so happens that the expeience is from an Intel RMA. I am not sure why it is so difficult for you to grasp the meaning here.

Maybe its because my english isn't so good.
I'm pretty sure this is correct,
Since you missed this: "I was just trying to figure out why you said:"
Pastence, I figured it out.


Originally posted by Spotch
[B]
If you have purchased hundreds of processors then you must only use them for about 2 weeks each or you purchase them for others so its clear a 3 year warranty is meaningless to you. .

Let's just say that my first build was a pentium II 233 when they were $2,500 in the store. I've had time to build, repair, and upgrade for myself and others since then. Oh, btw that PII 233 is still doing 300MHZ.;)
Quit antagonizing me. :D

[Spotch]

Originally posted by Woodelf
I'm pretty sure this is correct,
Since you missed this: "I was just trying to figure out why you said:"
Pastence, I figured it out.

Let's just say that my first build was a pentium II 233 when they were $2,500 in the store. I've had time to build, repair, and upgrade for myself and others since then. Oh, btw that PII 233 is still doing 300MHZ.;)
Quit antagonizing me. :D

The actual processor that I RMA'd in my example was a Pentium 90Mhz! It was in a machine that set me back over $3500 at the time. Complete with a very nice 512MB SCSI HD, 8MB RAM, SB16 Sound and a 15 inch VGA monitor! It rocked with Doom 2!

:rw:

[MUYA]

Originally posted by Spotch
The actual processor that I RMA'd in my example was a Pentium 90Mhz! It was in a machine that set me back over $3500 at the time. Complete with a very nice 512MB SCSI HD, 8MB RAM, SB16 Sound and a 15 inch VGA monitor! It rocked with Doom 2!

:rw:
Those were the days eh? :D U would have been satisfied with cr@p sprite graphics and not complained. Since 3DFX, NVIDIA and ATI came along, suddenly we have been spoilt. Oh that games gfx isn't upto standard as it only uses so and so shaders...oh that games gfx isn't good because it has low poly count....oh that game doesn't support bump mapping! hehheheh its fun :D

Also remember when PII came out it was like what $700 ??? or sumat! Ppl complain about the PEE or Athlon64 -FX now cost $700+ ..sheesh! :rolleyes:

hehhehehehe :p

[Woodelf]

No heat issues back then (on topic), He, He.
I didn't really get into hard core pc gaming untill 3.5" floppy games like duke nuke em 3D came out.
http://www.game-revolution.com/download/pc/action/duke.htm
I think that was probably the coolest game (for me) at the time. My neither my 286 nor 386 could run it right, so I upgraded to a super powerfull 486 DX66, 16MB, ISA sound, 20MB hard drive. I was blown away. ;)

[MUYA]

Originally posted by Woodelf
No heat issues back then (on topic), He, He.
I didn't really get into hard core pc gaming untill 3.5" floppy games like duke nuke em 3D came out.
http://www.game-revolution.com/download/pc/action/duke.htm
I think that was probably the coolest game (for me) at the time. My neither my 286 nor 386 could run it right, so I upgraded to a super powerfull 486 DX66, 16MB, ISA sound, 20MB hard drive. I was blown away. ;)

U know going from a pong machine to ZX Spectrum was noticeable :D