If agp dies out in 6 months, this will suck but......

[Geforce4ti4200]

is it true there may be a pci-e verson of the mx440, fx5200 and fx5600 along with a 9600 and 9600 pro? Isnt agp supposed to live longer due to all those 9800 pros out there? If not, anyone know what cards will move to pci-e? god I hope theres a pci-e ti4200

[Sazar]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
is it true there may be a pci-e verson of the mx440, fx5200 and fx5600 along with a 9600 and 9600 pro? Isnt agp supposed to live longer due to all those 9800 pros out there? If not, anyone know what cards will move to pci-e? god I hope theres a pci-e ti4200

pci-e is an evolution... like pci - agp graphics...

[bkswaney]

U will see AGP cards for the next few years for sale.
Just like there r still a few PCI cards out to buy now. :)

[MUYA]

There is no way the transition to PCI Express is going to render all AGP motherboards uesless. All them millions and millions of PC users are not going to adopt PCI Express machines immeadatelty. It will take a few years. Both NV and ATI will keep producing cards for PCI _ex and AGP, more AGP because there will be more demand for them ;)

[randsom]

i for one, wont be adopting pci-e right off the bat.


anyone remember the early problems with 8x agp, driver issues, compatiblity problems, power issues.

itll probably take 6 months to get all the kinks worked out, then the second wave of pci-e motherboards and other hardware, will be upon us, then ill go for it, but until then( i cant believe im going to say this, being a hardware addict and all)) im sticking with what i got, except a upgrade to a nv40 or a r420, and i wont decide that untill we get a review or 2

[netviper13]

As with any transition to a brand new standard, it won't happen over night. You'll see both boards with AGP and boards with PCI Express available on the market.

[SnakeEyes]

And as usual, don't expect to see the changed bus itself make any real performance difference for those who have it, at least for a while. It'll just be a different slot to put video cards into for the first version or two of hardware, and possibly even longer. That is, except possibly for people getting cards capable of HDTV work and using them for that. ;)

[randsom]

exactly,:(

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by netviper13
As with any transition to a brand new standard, it won't happen over night. You'll see both boards with AGP and boards with PCI Express available on the market.


Thats what im trying to say, but alot of people think motherboards wont be made with an agp slot anymore. If agp cards are still being made and with all those agp cards out there, will someone be out of luck when he choses to upgrade his motherboard in mid 2005 and wants to use his agp r420?

[Dazz]

There will be an FX5200, 5700 and 5950 PCI Ex cards vut they use a bridge so no real peformance increase intill the tru PCI ex cards come out aka NV45+

[Geforce4ti4200]

maybe there will be a way to mod ti4200s for a pci-e bridge?

[SnakeEyes]

I wouldn't count on being able to mod an AGP card to run in the PCI-e slot. Too many issues, the most basic of which are the differences in the slot layout itself. If there was an adaptor to plug the AGP card into that fit the PCI-e slot, I guess it could be done. But the adaptor would have to have the PCI-AGP bridge chip on it to do the proper translation between the two devices. By the time you got done buying that adaptor, you might as well have sold the AGP video card and spent the little bit extra for the PCI-e version.

[nutball]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
Thats what im trying to say, but alot of people think motherboards wont be made with an agp slot anymore. If agp cards are still being made and with all those agp cards out there, will someone be out of luck when he choses to upgrade his motherboard in mid 2005 and wants to use his agp r420?

I don't see why you think AGP slots on mobos should die out any faster than, say, ISA did after the introdution of PCI. That took years!

[Gator]

PCI-E is not a big deal folks, I've said this before but I'll say it again, look at the difference in performance from AGP4x to AGP8x. Only very high resolutions of 1600x1200 and above really take advantage of AGP8x in benchmarks. That means that nothing is really taking advantage of the added bandwidth of AGP8x. So if you consider that PCI-E will allow for even MORE bandwidth, does anybody really care? Will anything really benefit from it when AGP4x still appears to be adequate? You decide :p

And I agree with what randsom said, who knows what kind of early bugs they'll find in PCI-E. Give me PCI-E v2.0, and then maybe we'll talk (again, if the bandwidth is even worth it)