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harl
03-18-04, 04:23 PM
well in teory 20 ms don't have ghosting
but 16 ms use interpolated color.
16 ms vs 20 ms tomshardware (http://www6.tomshardware.com/display/20031105/index.html)

But i'm tired of theory I want someone to tell his impresion
I want to known if color dither can be seen and if really 20 ms is enougth
Any one has senn both types of TFT's?

Riptide
03-18-04, 04:31 PM
The newest 16ms displays do not use color interpolation. The Dell 2001FP, which can be had for $999 + ship (20.1" viewable) has a 16ms response time and no color interpolation - it was the first true 24bit color 16ms LCD on the market. Many others have since followed suit, albeit for more $$$.

If I were buying today I'd get the 2001FP based on my experience with my current 2000FP. And btw, I notice ghosting only rarely with this display and it's 25ms.

harl
03-19-04, 04:03 AM
In my workplace I got a DELL 1703FP (¿25 ms?)
I don't know how it work with games.
But images like this looks very ugly (for the red green contrast)
look this animation an then tell me how can you see it...

Riptide
03-19-04, 09:06 AM
Looks like red balls over a green background... Not sure what I should be looking for there. But it seems fine to me. And this is on a viewsonic ve155b right now. If I remember after work today (hey, it's a friday!) I'll try and look at it on my 2000FP @ home.

GlowStick
03-19-04, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by harl

Any one has senn both types of TFT's?

Yes Sir,

I have both a Hitachi 16ms panel (AUOPTRONICS) and a Herucles ProphetView 920 Pro DVi 20ms (HYUNDAI) and i can state that the 20ms has better color and less ghosting in games.

I recomend it.

Nutty
03-19-04, 06:38 PM
Looks like red balls over a green background

Only 1 ball, bouncing. Though even on my CRT at 85 HZ, it seems to be in more than 1 position at once, due to either my eyes, or phosphor longevity.

GlowStick
03-19-04, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by -=Gib-McFragger=-
Looks fine here.

Samsung 172X 12ms :afro: Heh, did you get a review sample with the real 12ms one?

harl
03-20-04, 02:37 AM
Only 1 ball, bouncing. Though even on my CRT at 85 HZ, it seems to be in more than 1 position at once, due to either my eyes, or phosphor longevity.

That's correct.
But in the DELL 1703FP I see a black shadow where the ball was.
I think that pixels cant change so quick.
And looks the same even with slower motion.

Dazz
03-20-04, 09:56 AM
Damn that thing bounces fast it seems to flicker with me before it moves to an other courner.

harl
03-21-04, 02:24 AM
Well the animation got 100 fps (one every 10 ms)
I will atach other with 50 fps, 20 ms

-=Gib-McFragger=-, what about color dithering?

ALobpreis
03-21-04, 06:33 AM
In my Hyundai Q15 (16 ms) both gifs look perfectly. :cool:

About dithering, what I can see sometimes is the different shades of a color. For example, in Explorer's title bar, where the blue goes to light blue, I can see some "steps", but not really 'dithering'. Desktop in 32 bits, of course.

harl
03-21-04, 04:11 PM
I would love to answer that, but first you have to tell me what color dithering is. :retard:

A Link is beter than thousand words:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/display/20031105/index.html

harl
03-22-04, 04:48 AM
LOL, that link IS 1000 words. :smoking:


But it's faster than copy&paste :angel:

PD:

Hola soy Iñigo Montoya, tu mataste a mi padre, preparate a morir ...

DSC
03-22-04, 05:50 AM
LCD monitors with 12ms response times are starting to be available in the market it seems. Wonder how much difference would 4ms make.....

harl
03-22-04, 06:16 AM
LCD monitors with 12ms response times are starting to be available in the market it seems. Wonder how much difference would 4ms make.....

The diference is form 60 Hz to 83.

But if with the color interepolation pixels blink between two colors
(to make the efect of the midle color)
The interpolation should be better with 12 ms

But I really don't know if that blink takes the full 12/16 ms
or just a fraction, (Response Time is the time needed
to go from on to off)

Riptide
03-22-04, 10:10 AM
OK, now that I've pulled my cranium out of my posterior I understand what that test was supposed to be showing. And it works just fine on my 2000FP here @ home. My viewsonic ve155b at work, however, showed significant flickering. Evidently the 25ms response on my 2000FP makes a big difference. That ve155b must be a much slower display.