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EMunEeE
03-19-04, 01:32 PM
First hands-on look at NV40

CeBIT 2004 Shocking power requirements


By Paul Dutton: Friday 19 March 2004, 16:33

THE INQUIRER has managed to get hold of one NV40 sample.
We agreed not to photograph what we saw, but can confirm the following.

When removing the heatsink, we noted that the NV40 GPU itself was, in comparison to what we have seen before, quite large.

However whilst our earlier information indicated that it comprised of 205 -210 million transistors, our sources currently say that what we were holding was a 175 million transistor part.

With the heatsink removed we could see that a small formed surrounding was employed to assist leveling of the heatsink.

Unlike the ill fated GeForce FX 5800 Ultra (NV30) where a heatsink on the back of the PCB could also interface with a small section of the PCB directly behind the GPU as well as the memory modules, additional circuitry in this area on the NV40 prohibits this.

Whilst a heatsink still seems necessary to assist thermal control of the new lower voltage memory modules, the heatsink on the front of the GPU will have to do all the work.

Eight 32MB video memory modules are installed – four on each side of the PCB and as we first reported from Computex in Taiwan – these are of the new GDDR3 type.

However these were not from Micron, which at that time seemed to be both ATi and Nvidia’s GDDR3 development partner. Instead, Samsung seems to be the preferred supplier of the 256MB we saw installed.

The primary shocker was that the board requires two large 4-pin power connectors as opposed to the single power connector on current high-end products.

Perhaps a lot of end-users who have been thinking that they might wait and upgrade to NV40 when it becomes available, should start saving their sheckles to upgrade to a new power supply unit as well.

One final thing, contrary to previous speculation, we think that ‘NV40’ that will come to market may be what was originally planned, as NV45 is, we’re told, the PCI Express part.

Whether that has an AGP to PCI Express bridge chip remains to be seen.




Full article (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14827)

175 mil transistors??:confused:

Two Molex Connectors?? :confused:

cthellis
03-19-04, 01:42 PM
Got linked in the NVIDIA graphics cards forum as well, though of course it belongs here. At any rate, what I wrote there:

However whilst our earlier information indicated that it comprised of 205 -210 million transistors, our sources currently say that what we were holding was a 175 million transistor part.

If correct, does this mean we WILL be seeing NV40 in its original form quite soon? Could validate many people's view that nVidia will have a card soon AND those who think the ~205 million beastie we were expecting will have larger delay problems. It would at least allow them to not lose ground to (or even get the jump on) R420, and let them finalize their other chip in the usual refresh schedule--which in this case would be a much bigger refresh than normal. Hehe...

Only problem is if the NV40 in that form loses enough ground to R420, it could lose lots of sales to begin with, and not attract enough attention even should NV45 (or whatever) trump it by a lot later on.

Hmm... So much speculation, so little time! :p

EMunEeE
03-19-04, 01:49 PM
If the r420 and the nv40 have almost equivalent transistor counts, I automatically go with ATI's offering as the clear cut winner.

Geforce4ti4200
03-19-04, 01:54 PM
strange, so nvidia is now reviving the origional nv40? wow with all those power and heat requirements, alot of people may just go r420 for that reason alone. Id rather have a smaller, cooler card that I dont need to upgrade my psu for and thats also faster as well, or even the same speed.
I am thinking it has to be the old nv40 and it wont be released. the new nv40 would have never gotten a sample to the inquirer this early

jimmyjames123
03-19-04, 03:32 PM
The Inquirer got hold of "one NV40 sample". This may be different than what we see coming out in the next couple of months, correct? From what I have read, weren't some developers sent an older NV40 version with 175 million transistors many months ago? This could be what The Inq got their hands on, a prototype design.

-=DVS=-
03-19-04, 04:46 PM
That brings us to alot of questions !

1. So if 175 MT version got 2 molex connectors does that mean 210 MT version will have 3 or 4 ? :D

2. will 175 MT version realy be full 16 pipe :o ?????

All this is very fishy one thing that we know for sure is heavy heatsink :(

Lezmaka
03-19-04, 06:34 PM
No, it's just the inq's usual of "predict all likely scenarios so people will think we know what we're talking about"

bkswaney
03-19-04, 07:10 PM
The NV40 has been 16 pipe all along.
Nvidia knew the 420 had 12 so they upped the NV4x to 16. ;)
Looks better on the box. :p

I thought everyone had figured that out already.

All the rumors on the "new" NV40 and delays is all
about head games. :)

The NV40 will launch the 13th.
The 420 will launch next week.

Take it to the bank. :D

Razor04
03-19-04, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by bkswaney
The NV40 has been 16 pipe all along.
Nvidia knew the 420 had 12 so they upped the NV4x to 16. ;)
Looks better on the box. :p

I thought everyone had figured that out already.

All the rumors on the "new" NV40 and delays is all
about head games. :)

The NV40 will launch the 13th.
The 420 will launch next week.

Take it to the bank. :D
Do they actually market that on the box? I don't recall seeing too many boxes with the number of pipelines on them as a marketing feature. On the other hand with the current war brewing it is very possible.

On a side note...please learn what line wrapping is. There is no need to press enter when you reach the side of the text box. This isn't a type writer type thing...it is a lot more like a word processor. Sorry but it is just plain distracting.

jimmyjames123
03-19-04, 09:51 PM
Relax man, my goodness!

Ninja Prime
03-20-04, 12:39 AM
175mil...

TOLD YA SO!

pwned.

:p

MUYA
03-20-04, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Ninja Prime
175mil...

TOLD YA SO!

pwned.

:p

maybe teh 175 mill count is without counting the caches? :p

30 million transistors to make up how much KB of cahces?

hehehe

maybe not ;)

Ninja Prime
03-20-04, 11:04 PM
maybe teh 175 mill count is without counting the caches? :p

30 million transistors to make up how much KB of cahces?

hehehe

maybe not ;)


All depends on the type of cache. Assuming they use the norm of 6t SRAM cells that would be around 768kb.

Though we all know that they always include the cache in the final transitor count, right? ;)

It find it interesting that they even got it up to 475mhz on .13 micron with 175million transitors, I wonder if it's got a jet engine on it like the 5800 did...?

Geforce4ti4200
03-21-04, 12:19 AM
:canadian: however good the nv40 may be, it may not overclock very much, so if the r420 overclocks really good, it could diminish the performance gap, also if the nv40 stock is more than 10% faster than the r420 stock, nvidia could just charge $600+ while ati $500