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bkswaney
03-30-04, 02:23 PM
This has got the be BS.
I just do not see them making two cards like this.
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Thought I would pass this to you, our readers. Penstar's Josh has an intersting little comment dated back to the 26th of March about NVIDIA's (soon to be launched) NV40 which adds even more confusion, to the confusion that already exists. Josh states (and I don't know where he got his information from) that, IBM and TSMC will both fab NV40 GPUs. The difference being TSMC (according to Josh) is set to manufacture the 210 million transistor version of the NV40 and IBM is set to manufacture the 175 million NV40 variant. Can it get more confusing? Click on the headline to read the commentary.
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03-30-04, 02:26 PM
So lowerend topcard will be 175MT and higherend ultra 210MT ? , maybe we should wait for 210 release before throwing cash at 175 :D
was linked in the front page....seems very strange to me that...indeed.
einstein_314
03-30-04, 03:17 PM
Well hasn't it been said before that there will be a NV40 ultra and a NV40 non ultra released right away? Maybe the ultra is the 210 million transistors and the non ultra the 175 million transistors? I hope they're released at the same time. I'm waiting for an upgrade :)
silence
03-30-04, 03:22 PM
what's so impossible?
we have heard about "old, scrapped nv40" that was supposed to be 175 trannies, which was sent to devs at the end on 2003....
"current nv 40" is said to be 210 mil trannies monster that needs up to 175W to work...
let's assume that "original" nv40 wasn't nuff to beat r420 and that NV had backup plan >> 210 mil one, which will be used to win benchmarks and speed crown, while not being sold much.....
this way NV plays pretty safe....they can win back performance crown, but also have card that might be usefull, cause, let's face it, 175 W card won't be too popular among gamers....
sneaky.... but when u think about it, pretty much possible ;)
let's face it, 175 W card won't be too popular among gamers....
if it has the speed and a reasonable price for a highend part..it will .power usage will be a minor issue ,for enthusiast ,unless you care a lot about your electricity bill .. hehe
but someones who pays $500 or more for a video card ,doesnt look at those things , i remember back in the days of 3dfx people buying TWO voodoo2 $300x2=$600 , and they were very popular ,in the enthusiast market ,i will not mind buyind a huge card that consumes alot of power but that fly in all your games :)
btw.BK you have a very nice System :D
get the another 512 of ram and the best next generation card in the next round and enjoy the ride.. :)
my dream machine is one of the latest ATlon64 ,3Gb of ram + NV40 QUadro board for my Professional renderings.. :D
silence
03-30-04, 03:44 PM
that's big IF ;)
we'll see in 2 weeks, but i really dont expect i'll be buying card AND new PSU if competitor has good product as well. ~175 W is way too much.....at least for me :D
Normally the non-ultra is just a lower clocked version init? Not lacking in trannies..
GlowStick
03-30-04, 06:28 PM
The news is baffeling too me too,
The only explination if this is ture, one is high end, and one is midrange. And whoever told him that probly ment they are not both NV40's but from the NV4X family.
so let me get this straight the nv40 with 16x1 is the ultra or high end cards and the nv40 with 8x2 is the middle range cards ...wow so 400$ bucks for a 16x1 and 200$ for a 8x2 ...wow i think im gonna pass out !!!!
Geforce4ti4200
03-30-04, 07:49 PM
maybe the 8x2 pipes being talked about was actually for the old nv40 and the new nv40 could be 16x1 but thats wishful thinking. 175w? thats alot of power and heat, most people will just go r420 since they dont want to heat their cases so much it hurts their overclock
GlowStick
03-30-04, 07:54 PM
maybe the 8x2 pipes being talked about was actually for the old nv40 and the new nv40 could be 16x1 but thats wishful thinking. 175w? thats alot of power and heat, most people will just go r420 since they dont want to heat their cases so much it hurts their overclock
That 175W sounds made up to me.
I bet it will be 80w ish.
That 175W sounds made up to me.
I bet it will be 80w ish.
Maybe the "175 watt" number is just more of their alleged PR spoofing
one watt per million transistors...? :p THAT's how it works out? :p
bkswaney
03-30-04, 10:48 PM
if it has the speed and a reasonable price for a highend part..it will .power usage will be a minor issue ,for enthusiast ,unless you care a lot about your electricity bill .. hehe
but someones who pays $500 or more for a video card ,doesnt look at those things , i remember back in the days of 3dfx people buying TWO voodoo2 $300x2=$600 , and they were very popular ,in the enthusiast market ,i will not mind buyind a huge card that consumes alot of power but that fly in all your games :)
btw.BK you have a very nice System :D
get the another 512 of ram and the best next generation card in the next round and enjoy the ride.. :)
my dream machine is one of the latest ATlon64 ,3Gb of ram + NV40 QUadro board for my Professional renderings.. :D
Yep... I'm going to have a total of 1 gig of ram with a NV40 ultra
and slap in a new prescott when they put out a 3.6Ghz part. ;)
That will hold me to mid 05 anyway. "lol" :D
{Sniping}Waste
03-30-04, 10:50 PM
175Watts is alot of power. What we use now is around 60-90 watts. From the way the NV3X IC layout is with its large current leakage, the NV40 is using the same fab proces with no low-K(Black Diamond) or SOI (Sapphire) to lower the current leakage, its going to be a hot chip at 175 watts. Just look at the HSFs we use on CPUs now and you will guess what size heat sink will be needed and a fan at 35-40 CFM to keep up with that type of heat. Think about all that heat traped in your case. :fu:
Ppl batch the P4 Prescott and at 3.4 gig its puting out about 110wats and look at the stock cooler is comes with and that thing hits 80C at load. :retard:
GlowStick
03-31-04, 12:58 AM
175Watts is alot of power. What we use now is around 60-90 watts. From the way the NV3X IC layout is with its large current leakage, the NV40 is using the same fab proces with no low-K(Black Diamond) or SOI (Sapphire) to lower the current leakage, its going to be a hot chip at 175 watts. Just look at the HSFs we use on CPUs now and you will guess what size heat sink will be needed and a fan at 35-40 CFM to keep up with that type of heat. Think about all that heat traped in your case. :fu:
Ppl batch the P4 Prescott and at 3.4 gig its puting out about 110wats and look at the stock cooler is comes with and that thing hits 80C at load. :retard:
I havent seen any data saying that nv40 will or wont have any SOI? is this speculation or good rumor?
Spiritwalker
03-31-04, 12:39 PM
175Watts is alot of power. What we use now is around 60-90 watts. From the way the NV3X IC layout is with its large current leakage, the NV40 is using the same fab proces with no low-K(Black Diamond) or SOI (Sapphire) to lower the current leakage, its going to be a hot chip at 175 watts. Just look at the HSFs we use on CPUs now and you will guess what size heat sink will be needed and a fan at 35-40 CFM to keep up with that type of heat. Think about all that heat traped in your case. :fu:
Ppl batch the P4 Prescott and at 3.4 gig its puting out about 110wats and look at the stock cooler is comes with and that thing hits 80C at load. :retard:
[H] just did a review today of the new 2.4A Prescott cpu. Seems they have most of the heat issues worked out. Running his stock OC at 3.3 he only hit 114°F at load. A lot better than original numbers.
volkskrant
03-31-04, 03:57 PM
This has got the be BS.
I just do not see them making two cards like this.
Yup seems :bs: :bs: :udawg:
{Sniping}Waste
03-31-04, 04:14 PM
[H] just did a review today of the new 2.4A Prescott cpu. Seems they have most of the heat issues worked out. Running his stock OC at 3.3 he only hit 114°F at load. A lot better than original numbers.
Looks like number from a watercooling setup. If you read on the last page were the temp are given, the cooler used to get the temps are from a Koolance Exos.
Alan_Grey
04-02-04, 11:40 AM
Hello,
I've just registered to tell you all that you're very silly. It's 175 and 210 million transistors. The power the cards use is completely unknown.
Everyone go back and edit your posts, or start the thread from the beginning, otherwise your sheer rubbishness will haunt me for years to come. :baaa:
Ta,
Alan_Grey
Spiritwalker
04-02-04, 11:49 AM
This CPU was easily not running as hot as the CPUs that we sampled for testing from Intel at the release of the Prescott core and during our first overclocking adventures. Our 2.4A was showing 99F at idle and 114F under load at 3.7GHz and 1.6v. Laying our hands on the bottom of the socket seemingly verified these temps. Our 2.4A runs pretty cool even when running a very quick clock speed. So you see, it is quite likely that extreme cooling will not be needed, at least for this CPU.
This is what I was refering to
nutball
04-02-04, 11:54 AM
Hello,
I've just registered to tell you all that you're very silly. It's 175 and 210 million transistors. The power the cards use is completely unknown.
Everyone go back and edit your posts, or start the thread from the beginning, otherwise your sheer rubbishness will haunt me for years to come. :baaa:
Ta,
Alan_Grey
Cheers Alan, thanks for the input.
Hello,
I've just registered to tell you all that you're very silly. It's 175 and 210 million transistors. The power the cards use is completely unknown.
Ta,
Alan_Grey
it will be nice that there is indeed an *NV40* with ~210 million transistors too . and that the NV40 with 175 mt is only the non-ultra.. :)
but the diferences seems HUge!! for an "ultra" ,even for a refresh of the NV40... notice that the NV30 was ~125 mt. and the NV35 was ~130 mt. so if the rumors of 2 NV40's are true ,then its possible that one "NV40" is the NV41 and that the bigger one is the NV40.
there is a huge diference from 175 ->210 mt .. nothing more than 35 million transistors. its even more than the diference between the R420 and the NV35..~30mt. (which have been said R420 is 160mt.) :drooling: so seems like the Nv45 is also released with the NV40. and will be sold as the ultra ,and that it will have many ,many more features and performance enhancements over the Old NV40.. if the rumours are true ,then it will be the first time for NVidia doing something so ambitious in just a new generation of Gpu. at least we can dream .right? :)
210 mt.. allows more pipes ,more vertex shaders units ,and probably technology we have never seen before on NVidia cards,that comes from the NV50.
Lezmaka
04-02-04, 06:15 PM
Hello,
I've just registered to tell you all that you're very silly. It's 175 and 210 million transistors. The power the cards use is completely unknown.
Everyone go back and edit your posts, or start the thread from the beginning, otherwise your sheer rubbishness will haunt me for years to come. :baaa:
Ta,
Alan_Grey
Really?
You would think nvidia, you know, the people making the chip, might have an idea of how much power the cards use.
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