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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15061
well this isnt good if this is true .... i havnt seen anyone talk about it yet, but arent all the new motherboards just one 16x and one 1x slots i havent seen any with more than that ...we have to give up all our availible pci-ex slots for one nv40.... i was hoping that with pci-ex we could see better add on sound cards ...cough soundstorm cough..... cough ....now this doesnt look to be to promising.... oh well
retsam :screwy:
I think that was a foregone conclusion! For the ultra anyway, I always expected a two slot design :|
-=DVS=-
03-31-04, 09:19 PM
In the future they should make GPU just like CPU socket addon , with normal heatsink :thinker:
Yes its bad if all nv40 models take so mutch space up and mobos have only few pci-ex slots untill we have full pci-ex mobos with 6 slots , but nv40 is gonna be AGP so at the moment there is no imediate problem. to lose few pci slot is not a problem as long as card is worth it :cool2:
bkswaney
04-01-04, 03:11 AM
I never use all my slots anyway.
I really do not see what the big deal is.
Most people use maybe 2 or 3 pci slots at most.
Good motherboards have a space between the agp slot and the first pci slot. That means that a 2 slot cooler doesn't take up any pci slots.
Now I am sure the people making Motherboards are smart enough to continue this with pci express.
http://www.vr-zone.com/Home/news189/Kyrene-m.jpg
you see the pci express 1x slot is right next to the the 16x slot. most mb's shipping this year will only have two slots ..... whats the point in buying a high end system with all the bells and whistles if you cant use them.... my whole point is with pci-express sounds cards "the reason we dont see any soundstorm pci cards is the fact there isnt enuff bandwidth on pci 2.1" and gigabit ethernet they would see such and explosion of performance with the features of pci-express.... now whats the point... might as well wait for next years round of motherboards with more then two slots...
retsam
Razor04
04-01-04, 04:39 PM
my whole point is with pci-express sounds cards "the reason we dont see any soundstorm pci cards is the fact there isnt enuff bandwidth on pci 2.1" and gigabit ethernet they would see such and explosion of performance with the features of pci-express
Now why couldn't there be a SoundStorm PCI card now? I see no reason whatsoever other than a nice excuse from NV. Current PCI sound cards don't seem to have any problems at all so I don't see where the problem is. I really would like to get a PCI Express GigE card though when they come out. I know there are a lot of people here that would tell me it doesn't matter when it is all integrated now. Well that is true to an extent...but I like to be able to buy a top of the line card with a ton of features and then just transfer it to a new system whenever I build it instead of finding a motherboard that has the same features. As you mentioned though that 1X slot is useless if the graphics card is hogging it.
nutball
04-01-04, 06:50 PM
Now why couldn't there be a SoundStorm PCI card now?
Because they knocked it on the head as financially irrelevant.
NickSpolec
04-01-04, 07:22 PM
Good motherboards have a space between the agp slot and the first pci slot. That means that a 2 slot cooler doesn't take up any pci slots.
Well, if a motherboard has extra space below the AGP slot, then that means it has 1 less PCI slot in the first place.
Now why couldn't there be a SoundStorm PCI card now? I see no reason whatsoever other than a nice excuse from NV.
well look very carefully
http://www.amdmb.com/images/nforce/mcp-diagram.jpg
you notice the apu isnt hanging off the pci bus .... but instead hanging off the hypertransport bus ..... its really simple.. more bandwidth .... well and bidirection communication....oh and each port gets the full bandwidth, its not shared!!! but i read someware that sound cards use as much as 100 MB of bandwidth out of the 133MB total..... thats without other devices communicating on the pci bus ..... i wish i could find the sound card bandwidth numbers someware .... but regardless you get my point ...
and also just from a PR standpoint the sound storm is an amazing chip... just that alone is enuff to make a few of these boards...
retsam :screwy:
Filibuster
04-01-04, 09:30 PM
Maybe the rumored extra transistors and two NV40 chips are because they are including audio on one of them, like they did with the NV1... :p
omg
Retail PCI express motheroboards should have at most only 1 PCI slot in most cases. Some will have none. So don't worry about taking up 1 PCI-E 1x slot, there will be enough. PCI will play second fiddle on most boards, just like ISA did when the PCI conversion happened - I don't remember seeing anymore than 3 ISA slots on a PCI motherboard, and even that was rare, 2 was the most common.
Retail PCI express motheroboards should have at most only 1 PCI slot in most cases. Some will have none. So don't worry about taking up 1 PCI-E 1x slot, there will be enough. PCI will play second fiddle on most boards, just like ISA did when the PCI conversion happened - I don't remember seeing anymore than 3 ISA slots on a PCI motherboard, and even that was rare, 2 was the most common.
dude look at the picture i posted .... all the motherboards that i have seen are all the same... two pci-express and three or four pci 2.1's
Geforce4ti4200
04-02-04, 03:42 AM
Maybe the rumored extra transistors and two NV40 chips are because they are including audio on one of them, like they did with the NV1... :p
omg
there may be space on the back of the pcb for simple audio, none of that complex soundblaster live stuff. wont be that great for musicans either. could be a great idea, it would make the fact it takes a pci slot no big deal anymore.
"dude look at the picture i posted .... all the motherboards that i have seen are all the same... two pci-express and three or four pci 2.1's"
so with nvidia's fx card you can only use one card but with ati's r420 you can use that plus another pci-e card and go dual monitor :)
Doesn't bother me, I dont have a single PCI card in my system anyway.
well look very carefully
http://www.amdmb.com/images/nforce/mcp-diagram.jpg
you notice the apu isnt hanging off the pci bus .... but instead hanging off the hypertransport bus ..... its really simple.. more bandwidth .... well and bidirection communication....oh and each port gets the full bandwidth, its not shared!!! but i read someware that sound cards use as much as 100 MB of bandwidth out of the 133MB total..... thats without other devices communicating on the pci bus ..... i wish i could find the sound card bandwidth numbers someware .... but regardless you get my point ...
and also just from a PR standpoint the sound storm is an amazing chip... just that alone is enuff to make a few of these boards...
retsam :screwy:
Yeah I heard from nForceHQ that the major reason apart from OEM's wanting to save a few bucks here and there was that the APU would bog down HT and so probably the performance of the APU wouldn't be as good as the overall performances. And the idea of the single chipset solution is also to keep the prices low...i think.
Lezmaka
04-02-04, 07:57 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15061
well this isnt good if this is true .... i havnt seen anyone talk about it yet, but arent all the new motherboards just one 16x and one 1x slots i havent seen any with more than that ...we have to give up all our availible pci-ex slots for one nv40.... i was hoping that with pci-ex we could see better add on sound cards ...cough soundstorm cough..... cough ....now this doesnt look to be to promising.... oh well
retsam :screwy:
That's nice and all, but from available information, it doesn't matter how many slots NV40 takes up on PCI-E motherboards.
If the roadmap in this post (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=289390&highlight=roadmap#post289390) is correct or even mostly correct, NV40 is AGP only, no version with a PCI-E bridge will be made. NV45 will be PCI-E and if that takes up two slots, then you would have a valid concern. Who knows how many 1x slots the average PCI-E motherboard will have by the time NV45 is out, which is October/November at the earliest if you want to go by the 6 month cycle. Unless NV40 is another NV30-type debacle and gets killed off rather quickly.
NickSpolec
04-03-04, 10:46 AM
Uhhh.. Unless Nvidia is naming the PCI-Ex version of NV40 something else (like NV41), then yeah, that road map is wrong. Nvidia has already annouced that they would make PCI-Ex cards and have already added PCI-Ex support to the lastest Bloatware drivers.
Doesn't bother me, I dont have a single PCI card in my system anyway.
Me neither :).
Retsam those are not the final boards that will be released. Just relax and wait till some are actually for sale then get stressed about it.
I am putting in a hauppage tv card tho, so I will need at least one pci slot still :)
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