UDawg changes his position

[UDawg]

I have completely changed my position on Islam. I had thought there would be some sort of reform in Islam but I do no think so now. I now think the only reform in Islam that will take place is the insurgence of Islamic immagrants into western countries.

I also used to think it was just a problem of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that were the problem today. I now say the Islam its self IS the problem. I personally do not see any place in the world for a viscious religion such as Islam. Now do I want to kill all Muslims? No. Am I saying we need to jail all Muslims? No. I am saying we need to pay very close attention to this religion and watch out for its more violent movements.

People say "you have to understand them and understand what the US has done to them" Bull CRAP! They were slaughtering people long before the US was a world power.

You are most likely thinking "does UDawg hate all Muslims and think they all are bad? No but I do dispise their leaders who incite their followers and hold them down.

That is my final position on this matter. I am not open to debate on this. So if you do have questions you should not direct them to me bacause I am not going to post in this thread again. You can how ever feel free to call me any names you want and even display your new or re-newed lack of respect for me. Have fun and and have a good day kiddies.

[saturnotaku]

Thus spoke the UDawg...nevermore.

[Omega53]

I just wish that everyone in the US would just forget about the rest of the world and let everyone kill each other off and just worry about outselves. For all the damn money we spend on other countries we could easily take care of the several issues plaguing the US. Im so sick of everyone worrying about the rest of the world instead of consitrating on home. I say F*** the rest of the world except canada and uk and just stop worrying so GD much!

[Saint Lucifer]

I know he isn't going to respond to this, but isn't that more or less how he has always thought?

[Riptide]

Islamofascism is certainly the current threat.

[sytaylor]

The mainstream isn't the problem, if you look at Iraq the leading most promenant Shia clericks condem what the radicals do, it just seems Islam has a lot of very useful dogma for inciting violence.

[2fast4u]

"i am not open for debatte on this" .. gotta love it... "i just closed my mind forever and i dont want any of you people trying to change my mind. why dont you take your stupid reasoning and go to bed - ive got church service to attend!"

[bknblk]

"i am not open for debatte on this" .. gotta love it... "i just closed my mind forever and i dont want any of you people trying to change my mind. why dont you take your stupid reasoning and go to bed - ive got church service to attend!"

This is a good example of an inappropriate, insensitive, and pointless post.

[2fast4u]

This is a good example of an inappropriate, insensitive, and pointless post.

insensitive maybe, inappropriate probably. pointless, no.

[bknblk]

2Fast,

you are wrong on this one. UDawg's intention was to simply vent his opinion without people feeling the need to dissuade him from aforementioned opinion. He is obviously not one to shy away from debate. I think his 8100+ post count will vouch for that. However, I speak more to your reference to him being a G-d fearing man and somehow trying to tie that in as a negative. There is simply no room for that here.

[2fast4u]

UDawg's intention was to simply vent his opinion without people feeling the need to dissuade him from aforementioned opinion. He is obviously not one to shy away from debate.

its cowardly to post your opinion on a messageboard (esp. this one) and not accept debatte. this is not the point of a political forum. if you cant handle someone else rational opinion, dont post. i felt i needed to mock that, but my post had a negative character in the end.

However, I speak more to your reference to him being a G-d fearing man and somehow trying to tie that in as a negative. There is simply no room for that here.

strange, there does seem to be room to bash about anything on this board. while my statement wasnt even meant serious it turns out that open and honest expressions of intolerance are being widely accepted here.

[1stFlight]

Of course there's room for that.

If I were Athetist, a God fearing person would be a negative to me
Were I Christian a non-God fearing person would be a negative to me (flashback to the days when Christians went around converting everyone, oh wait they still do, "Missions" anyone?)

There's no difference, only differing points of view

[mrsabidji]

People say "you have to understand them and understand what the US has done to them" Bull CRAP! They were slaughtering people long before the US was a world power.

Ever heard about the crusades ? Just saying...


You are most likely thinking "does UDawg hate all Muslims and think they all are bad? No but I do dispise their leaders who incite their followers and hold them down.

So blame it on the leaders and not the religion itself.


I just wish that everyone in the US would just forget about the rest of the world and let everyone kill each other off and just worry about outselves.

Guess what... that's just what the rest of the world wishes too. ;)

mrsabidji

[2fast4u]

every religion is wicked in my understanding. the christian churches werent exactly free of sin before democracy evolved in the west. islam is still in a stage where its being misused for political reasons so extremely because the middle east is sadly politically backwards.

but every now and then someone tries to "prove" that their religion is superior to the others. now that cracks me up every time :angel2:

[DiscipleDOC]

every religion is wicked in my understanding. the christian churches werent exactly free of sin before democracy evolved in the west. islam is still in a stage where its being misused for political reasons so extremely because the middle east is sadly politically backwards.

but every now and then someone tries to "prove" that their religion is superior to the others. now that cracks me up every time :angel2:

That may be true. But Christians never strapped c4 to their body and blew up a bus load of children all for the name of God.

I don't think that Islam is all bad, but until you have leaders of Islam stand up in a unilateral voice and denounce the violence that some of the sect are doing, you're going to have more and more people associate Islam with death.

[1stFlight]

That may be true. But Christians never strapped c4 to their body and blew up a bus load of children all for the name of God.

I don't think that Islam is all bad, but until you have leaders of Islam stand up in a unilateral voice and denounce the violence that some of the sect are doing, you're going to have more and more people associate Islam with death.

You're right, but "good" Christians did engineer the near genocide of the American Indians (children too) and provide justification for the horror of slavery in the US for over a century.

Before condemning one religion, make sure your chosen one doesn't have it's share of skeletons in the closet.

Most Muslims that I've met have been good people, the "radicals" with few exceptions have good cause. I don't feel the Palestinians are in any way radical, however Al-Queda needs to removed from existance, the Iraqi are in a very usual positions as techinically, they're being occupied. If our country was suddenly overrun by an adversary, we wouldn't exactly be rolling out the red carpet for them now would we? Empathy people, empathy....and through that victory and understanding.

[2fast4u]

That may be true. But Christians never strapped c4 to their body and blew up a bus load of children all for the name of God.

thats true indeed. personally i think suicide bombings are the worst way of killing because it specifically targets civilians but christians had found multiple other ways to die for their god. thats not much different in my opinion at least.

I don't think that Islam is all bad, but until you have leaders of Islam stand up in a unilateral voice and denounce the violence that some of the sect are doing, you're going to have more and more people associate Islam with death.

yeah, this is long overdue. i dont think the muslim community is doing enough either. as usual its a two sided issue i guess. there is moderate and civilized islam btw, look at malaysia and the muslim community in europe for instance.

[saturnotaku]

The rest of the worldwide Muslim community needs to be much more proactive. Right now, they live in hiding and fear. It's an understandable reaction, however if they hope to start putting a stop to this nonsense they need to stand up and tell the rest of the world that the acts of these few radicals are not indicative of how the rest of the Muslim world works.

What would really show a lot of balls would be if some Muslims enlisted in the military and went on a witch hunt for these fundamentalist wackos.

[Riptide]

Fat chance of that happening. Have you seen the pew research polls? A lot of muslim countries support 9/11 and think we deserved it.

That said, the good news:
"71% of respondents in Anbar province, which includes the town of Fallujah, view attacks on coalition forces as acceptable; among all Iraqis, only 17% feel this way."
http://abcnews.go.com/images/pdf/949a1IraqPoll.pdf

The 17% part is the good news. ;)

Looks like the residents in Falljuah really are our enemies. Why should we go easy on them?

[Riptide]

tyeah, this is long overdue. i dont think the muslim community is doing enough either. as usual its a two sided issue i guess. there is moderate and civilized islam btw, look at malaysia and the muslim community in europe for instance.
Lucky for us, the ones who don't try and kill us apparently aren't doing everything their book commands of them.

[Riptide]

every religion is wicked in my understanding. the christian churches werent exactly free of sin before democracy evolved in the west. islam is still in a stage where its being misused for political reasons so extremely because the middle east is sadly politically backwards.

but every now and then someone tries to "prove" that their religion is superior to the others. now that cracks me up every time :angel2:
To get to the meat of whether or not one religion is more wicked than another it would be best to focus on the words and commands contained in each holy book or teaching and not focus on the actions of the followers. Followers can twist things around, words stick. :)

[Sazar]

The rest of the worldwide Muslim community needs to be much more proactive. Right now, they live in hiding and fear. It's an understandable reaction, however if they hope to start putting a stop to this nonsense they need to stand up and tell the rest of the world that the acts of these few radicals are not indicative of how the rest of the Muslim world works.

What would really show a lot of balls would be if some Muslims enlisted in the military and went on a witch hunt for these fundamentalist wackos.

it is the way they are portrayed in the media...

as an example look @ india which has one of the largest muslim populations in the world and they are still a minority...

attacks occur between hindu and muslim radical's and yet it is generally understood that these are the more violent/fundamentalist elements and the focus is more on the terrorists rather than the culture/religion...

the media here does not differentiate unfortunately therefore the assumption by the general population that has not taken the time to actually discover things for themselves is that islam is a violent religion and they are all out to kill us...

there are many muslim groups in america and europe who's sole goal is to educate people about islam and show them that it is not a violent religion and yet I don't see them getting any airtime...

btw there are muslims in the army... also pakistan which is an overwhelmingly muslim nation is moving against al-qaeda as well...

the 'witch' hunt though I am not so sure :cool: brings to mind the salem witch trials..

[2fast4u]

To get to the meat of whether or not one religion is more wicked than another it would be best to focus on the words and commands contained in each holy book or teaching and not focus on the actions of the followers. Followers can twist things around, words stick. :)

good point. admittedly i have neither read the bible or the quuran, its the actions of either churches which arent much different than any political pendants, which is enough reason for me to depise them. the reason im not going reading up on the religions is because i consider the whole concept of religion irrational and not worth believieving, that has nothing to do with possible moral values in either of their books.

[Riptide]

there are many muslim groups in america and europe who's sole goal is to educate people about islam and show them that it is not a violent religion and yet I don't see them getting any airtime...

btw there are muslims in the army... also pakistan which is an overwhelmingly muslim nation is moving against al-qaeda as well...

the 'witch' hunt though I am not so sure :cool: brings to mind the salem witch trials..
OK, so educate us. How is it not a violent religion? I already posted a linky quite some time ago asking for someone to rebut it. Remember? Here it is again:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/terrorist1.html

Now, if you've been educated and know that it's a peaceful religion what is your rebuttal for this? I keep an open mind... If these quotes are taken out of context then fine, but tell me exactly how.

[sytaylor]

good point. admittedly i have neither read the bible or the quuran, its the actions of either churches which arent much different than any political pendants, which is enough reason for me to depise them. the reason im not going reading up on the religions is because i consider the whole concept of religion irrational and not worth believieving, that has nothing to do with possible moral values in either of their books.

Dude, i was brought up with the bible, had to read tonnes of it in assembleys as a kid because i was one of the best readers in my kiddie school. Then in high school we studied it quite intesivley (catholic school), trust me you're not missing much if you already hold opinion similar to mine on the subject.