Are R420 going to be in short supply?

[AthlonXP1800]

It may look like some of ATI's partners could not meet demand to produce enough R420 PCBs due to power shortage (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article2.asp?datePublish=2004/04/09&pages=A1&seq=1) within the next few months and PCBs production in Canada probably will not be affected.

[PatrickL]

Not a word about ATI in the article you linked and you come up with that post ? :screwy:

[AthlonXP1800]

Not a word about ATI in the article you linked and you come up with that post ? :screwy:

It will affect all, many ATI boards were manufactured in China to low the cost so NV40 PCBs likely not affected because the PCB manufactured and supplied in USA.

[Viral]

Aren't NV40 chips still being made in TSMC(or at least most of them)? If so, this effects both ATI and nVidia.

And besides that.. TSMC's production plants aren't located in China......

[AthlonXP1800]

Aren't NV40 chips still being made in TSMC(or at least most of them)? If so, this effects both ATI and nVidia.

And besides that.. TSMC's production plants aren't located in China......

It not about the chipsets, it about PCB boards printed out, 2 years ago Nvidia decided and choose a USA PCB company called Flextronics to make PCB boards for Nvidia's NV3x line and future generations, the chipsets made by both IBM and TSMC. Actually NV40 with 222M transistors are made by IBM (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15268).

[Geforce4ti4200]

short supply? there may not be much demand for $500 cards to begin with and even if there is, people will just get the 9800 pro if the x800 is unavailable

[Dazz]

Yeap no point in making loads of $500 cards if only a select few will buy them.

[madmartyau]

short supply? there may not be much demand for $500 cards to begin with and even if there is, people will just get the 9800 pro if the x800 is unavailable

I can't see anyony buying a 9800pro instead of an X800 if the performance difference will be more than 2 times.

[Dazz]

Thats why i think they have the X800SE to bridge the gap. Sure it has less memory bandwith but what about it's memory bandwith saving features? in PS2.0 games it's down to raw fillrate at the moment.

[killermmn]

a reactor nuclear!!

[Geforce4ti4200]

I can't see anyony buying a 9800pro instead of an X800 if the performance difference will be more than 2 times.



I can, were talking twice the price difference as well. alot of people bought the 9600pro/xt for 2/3 the price of the 9800 pro but its less than 1/2 the performance, making it a bad bang for the buck but in the case, the 9800 pro could be an equally good bang for the buck as the x800

[gstanford]

Aren't NV40 chips still being made in TSMC(or at least most of them)? If so, this effects both ATI and nVidia.

And besides that.. TSMC's production plants aren't located in China......
This is about the PCBs not the chips.

Speaking of the NV40 chip itself though, no, it isn't manufactured by TSMC, but by IBM (the mainstream and budget variants will probably come from TSMC however).

[Dazz]

You are also forgetiing thats the RRP of $299 i am sure when it hits online store it will be MUCH lower :)

[zakelwe]

Flextronics is based in Singapore not USA

Flextronics has made initial samples of nv30. MSI also made samples for nvidia for GF4

If made by IBM on SOI then I wouldn't worry too much about lack of low k and running too hot.

Regards

Andy

[nutball]

If made by IBM on SOI then I wouldn't worry too much about lack of low k and running too hot.

What do you mean by "too hot"? :confused:

If these things genuinely do require 2 Molexes to supply extra power ... then, well, it's been a while since I took Thermodynamics 101, but... power in == heat out.

It can run at 50C, 80C, 100C or 150C for all I care, if it's dumping 100+W of heat into my case, then it's running "too hot".

Or maybe the nVidia(R) TwinMoleFX(TM) is just for bragging rights :confused:

[Spiritwalker]

Aren't NV40 chips still being made in TSMC(or at least most of them)? If so, this effects both ATI and nVidia.

And besides that.. TSMC's production plants aren't located in China......

Not technically China, but Taiwan (which is China according to the Chinese government)

[AthlonXP1800]

Flextronics is based in Singapore not USA


Wrong! It not only that it based in Singapore, Flextronics has many manufacturing plants based in USA, Europe and Asia that included Singapore and others. Nvidia decided to choose a local Flextronics plant in USA so it much quick and easier to shipped out PCB boards.

Also there is a local Flextronics manufacturing plant in Blantyre, Scotland, it around 10 miles where I lived, I knew someone who worked here before as engineer.

[zakelwe]

Wrong! It not only that it based in Singapore, Flextronics has many manufacturing plants based in USA, Europe and Asia that included Singapore and others. Nvidia decided to choose a local Flextronics plant in USA so it much quick and easier to shipped out PCB boards.

Also there is a local Flextronics manufacturing plant in Blantyre, Scotland, it around 10 miles where I lived, I knew someone who worked here before as engineer.

It's still based in Singapore not the USA, Flextronics is not a USA PCB company, they have offshoots in the USA but that's like saying BP is an american oil company .

Regards

Andy

[zakelwe]

What do you mean by "too hot"? :confused:

If these things genuinely do require 2 Molexes to supply extra power ... then, well, it's been a while since I took Thermodynamics 101, but... power in == heat out.

It can run at 50C, 80C, 100C or 150C for all I care, if it's dumping 100+W of heat into my case, then it's running "too hot".

Or maybe the nVidia(R) TwinMoleFX(TM) is just for bragging rights :confused:

I mean too hot in that it downclocks itself.

If you are so worried about your case being not ventilated enough then you can always go water cooling ? But why not just make sure it is ventilated enough?

Regards

Andy

[AthlonXP1800]

It's still based in Singapore not the USA, Flextronics is not a USA PCB company, they have offshoots in the USA but that's like saying BP is an american oil company .

Regards

Andy

Ah right I see, yeah Flextronics's Corporate Headquarthers is based in Singapore.

[zakelwe]

Ah right I see, yeah Flextronics's Corporate Headquarthers is based in Singapore.

I actually deal with their branch in Denmark but when I mentioned it to the guy he just looked at me blankly, doh .. well I tried.

Regards

Andy

[ntxawg]

It may look like some of ATI's partners could not meet demand to produce enough R420 PCBs due to power shortage (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article2.asp?datePublish=2004/04/09&pages=A1&seq=1) within the next few months and PCBs production in Canada probably will not be affected.


hmm seems like ibm is having prob's themselves, will nv40 be in short supply too? http://www.eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=PZ0BBUALYQ2O0QSNDBCSK HQ?articleID=18901773

"One problem is ongoing yield issues within the company's 300-mm fab in East Fishkill, N.Y. For months, IBM has been struggling with yields in the fab, a 130- and 90-nm plant."

[volkskrant]

It may look like some of ATI's partners could not meet demand to produce enough R420 PCBs due to power shortage (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article2.asp?datePublish=2004/04/09&pages=A1&seq=1) within the next few months and PCBs production in Canada probably will not be affected.
:nono: :ass:

[Blacklash]

I am looking forward to the release of the X800pro.

I expect it to be close to the 6800u in performance. I certainly think it will WELL out shine a 9800pro. Of course the real one to see will be the X800XT.

However I think the X800pro will be a good card worth the investment and a solid performer in its own right. Particularly if you don't want to sink darn near 500usd into a card.

[oqvist]

Well ATI had the same problem with the R300. ATI didn´t count the NV30 to be such a failure and when people wanted the R300 they wheren´t fast enough to produce more.

The companies don´t like to storage video cards especially not high end.