GF6800 series vs. X800 series

[Slappi]

My best guess on the X800 vs. GF6800:

X800XT will beat the 6800U in:
-Speed
-IQ
-One slot
-One molex connector
-PS upgrade (won't need one)
-Less noise
-Less Heat


X800XT will tie the 6800U in:
-Price


X800XT will lose to the 6800U in:
-PS and VS 3.0 shader feature


X800Pro will beat the 6800U in:
-IQ
-One slot
-One molex connector
-PS upgrade (won't need one)
-Less noise
-Less Heat
-Price


X800Pro will tie the 6800U in:
-Speed


X800Pro will lose to the 6800U in:
-PS and VS 3.0 shader feature


X800SE will beat the 6800NU in:
-IQ
-Less Heat


X800SE will tie the 6800NU in:
-Speed
-One slot
-One molex connector
-PS upgrade (won't need one)
-Noise
-Price


X800SE will lose to the 6800NU in:
-PS and VS 3.0 shader feature


This is just my best guess going on the R420 rumors.

[Omega53]

:lol2: I can actually see it happening tho

[EMunEeE]

The RADEON X800 PRO will be close speed wise (on par if not slightly better). IQ however will remain with ATI even though NVIDIA's is looking better and better.

The RADEON X800 PRO will undercut the GeForce 6800 Ultra if it is $399 while the 6800U is $499.

[vampireuk]

-One molex connector
-PS upgrade (won't need one)

I love all this kerfuffle over nothing, after spending $500 on a card im sure a splitter is going to break the bank :screwy:

As for the PSU why has this become a issue? If you want the best system you can get why would you suddenly become money tight over the most important componant. Oh wait because NVIDIA did it :p

[Geforce4ti4200]

threads like those arent allowed I guess. I made a post like that and got in trouble for speculating on atis performance vs. nvidia. why dont we wait till the r420 comes out before speculating? we do know the nv40 has ps 3.0, we know nothing about the r420

[Razor04]

NV seems to have gotten a lot right this generation and I must say I am quite impressed with what they have done. What they really need to do though is get back to a smaller, cooler, less power hungy card as the boards are getting a little ridiculous in this aspect. They could also use some more improvement in the AA department. They took a big step forward there but not quite big enough imho. I am very impressed by the video processor but it looks like it has a ways to go before it is truly all they say it is. Should be very interesting these next couple weeks...

[MUYA]

A few more weeks for r420...man things are intertsing now to state the obvious! :D

I dunno how the manstreams will pan out with them being neutered to the high end ones but all good for consumer wrt to pricing etc :p

[vampireuk]

threads like those arent allowed I guess. I made a post like that and got in trouble for speculating on atis performance vs. nvidia. why dont we wait till the r420 comes out before speculating? we do know the nv40 has ps 3.0, we know nothing about the r420

Is this your way of trying to deflect you looking like a complete fool with all your knowledge of the NV40 turning out to be false? By trying to imply I'm not going to allow a thread comparing the two products simply because I offered my opinion. Shall I remind everybody of what you said in the runup to the release? :clap:

[sebazve]

the r420 is gonna support vs 3.0 (which the most important thing) which is unkown is the support of ps 3.0...

[Clay]

threads like those arent allowed I guess. I made a post like that and got in trouble for speculating on atis performance vs. nvidia. why dont we wait till the r420 comes out before speculating? we do know the nv40 has ps 3.0Please don't whine. You were not speculating you were practically proselytizing. We've addressed this with you via PMs and via posts. You are wearing thin on us. I'm posting this in the forum since you chose not to acknowledge my PM in which I was very patient and respectful. What Slappi posted (while I may find it silly) is not akin to yours.we know nothing about the r420I'm shocked, I thought you knew everything about both the NV40 and R420.why dont we wait till the r420 comes out before speculating?Did you actually say that? I don't believe what I'm seeing. :rofl

[Edge]

It's kinda pointless speculating on these kinds of things when there isn't anything official, or even leaked, on the issue. Raw specs and rumors only go so far, going by the tech sheets you'd think an FX card would thoroughly whip the 9700 in shaders but obviously the real-world performance is nothing like that. I'm gonna see what ATI and Nvidia's budget (sub-$200) line of cards are going to look like, it would be nice having a card that's as fast as the 9800 pro with increased AA/Aniso and PS3.0 support (though a sub-$100 9800 sounds even better :D)

[Slappi]

I should of put in this asterik.

*Slappi's opinion may contain bias do to the fact that he is overloaded with ATI stock. :alc:

[Slappi]

Am I feeling another contest coming on for a 6800NU? (bud)

[CaiNaM]

umm.. so what, exactly, is the purpose of this thread?

all i see here is someone making ridiculous predictions based on no information whatsoever, other than what appears to be the OP's personal bias. seems nothing like nothing more than trolling for an argument if you ask me...

i mean, while we have seen some indication the ati part will have higher core and memory clocks, how does that logically equiate to less heat, less noise, and lower power consumption? especially consdidering some of the 6800u previews were done using a 300w PS?

[Slappi]

umm.. so what, exactly, is the purpose of this thread?

all i see here is someone making ridiculous predictions based on no information whatsoever, other than what appears to be the OP's personal bias. seems nothing like nothing more than trolling for an argument if you ask me...


How am I trolling for an argument? That is my opinion and the part about a bias was a joke. Sheesh man chill out a little.

The thing is I am most likely right about it.

[Razor04]

umm.. so what, exactly, is the purpose of this thread?

all i see here is someone making ridiculous predictions based on no information whatsoever, other than what appears to be the OP's personal bias. seems nothing like nothing more than trolling for an argument if you ask me...
If this had been two days ago we wouldn't have known anything about either card (apart from rumors) and everyone would be happy discussing this topic. However I find it extremely amusing that some people are now getting all worked up over the slightest mention that the 6800U might be beat. Come on guys it is just idle speculation. We'll find out who is the overall winner in a couple weeks after the X800 launch. In the mean time I think those people that are waiting to see what the X800 has to offer before buying a card are the smart ones. No sense in wasting money on a 6800U if the X800 ends up being better.

[Cota]

shouldn't this go on the rumors section??

[CaiNaM]

How am I trolling for an argument? That is my opinion and the part about a bias was a joke. Sheesh man chill out a little.

by making a post stating a yet unknown product is clearly superior to a product we now know about.. on a board which is "friendly" to that product. a post like this on rage3d wouldn't raise an eyebrow; it's an ati fanboi's board anyway.

this is akin to going to another "gang's" home turf and dis'n 'em - with nothing to back it up.

The thing is I am most likely right about it.

based on what? you offer no supporting evidence whatsoever. you don't even offer a theory in which you come to this conclusion.

[Clay]

I'm being patient with this whole thread due to the "damned if you do damned if you don't" effect it has if it is closed or not. I don't see Slappi's post as troll bait. He just made "best guesses"...not feigned statements of fact or attempts to convince others of his SWAGs. This belongs in the hardware rumor mill though so away...we go!

[hell_of_doom]

My best guess on the X800 vs. GF6800:

X800XT will beat the 6800U in:
-Speed
-IQ
-One slot
-One molex connector
-PS upgrade (won't need one)
-Less noise
-Less Heat


X800XT will tie the 6800U in:
-Price


X800XT will lose to the 6800U in:
-PS and VS 3.0 shader feature


X800Pro will beat the 6800U in:
-IQ
-One slot
-One molex connector
-PS upgrade (won't need one)
-Less noise
-Less Heat
-Price


X800Pro will tie the 6800U in:
-Speed


X800Pro will lose to the 6800U in:
-PS and VS 3.0 shader feature


X800SE will beat the 6800NU in:
-IQ
-Less Heat


X800SE will tie the 6800NU in:
-Speed
-One slot
-One molex connector
-PS upgrade (won't need one)
-Noise
-Price


X800SE will lose to the 6800NU in:
-PS and VS 3.0 shader feature


This is just my best guess going on the R420 rumors.


Wrong guess dude :)
X420 XT is a monster of 16 pipes clocked over 550Mhz...
It's going to happen this in NVIDIA office :afraid:

some unofficial leaks...
X420XT is doing 15000+ in 3DMark03
X420Pro has the same performance as 6800Ultra
and X420SE falls between Radeon 9800XT and 6800 nu

As fas as IQ goes...the current image quality of Radeon 9800XT and 6800U is going to be a joke...

Mark my words...
I knew spec of NV40 and r420 for a long long time now, almost over 6 months...
I used to have different nick name, but laughed at me when I was saying that we are going to see 16 pipes cards, also i'm saying that r500 nv50 are going to have 512 mem bus with more than 24 pipes, + L1 and L2 cashe memory...

[Templar]

man if ATi takes the crown again what's going to happen to the Nvidiots and the rusty Malasian trawler they're on?

Maybe the 688 attack sub torpedo will miss that trawler HEHE :D

Simon

[CaiNaM]

If this had been two days ago we wouldn't have known anything about either card (apart from rumors) and everyone would be happy discussing this topic. However I find it extremely amusing that some people are now getting all worked up over the slightest mention that the 6800U might be beat. Come on guys it is just idle speculation. We'll find out who is the overall winner in a couple weeks after the X800 launch. In the mean time I think those people that are waiting to see what the X800 has to offer before buying a card are the smart ones. No sense in wasting money on a 6800U if the X800 ends up being better.

it has nothing to do with "the slightest mention that the 6800U might be beat", rather there is nothing to support that statement in any way, shape, or form.

could nv's 6 series be beaten? sure it could.. but if you're gonna come out and say "ati's product will win" or whatever, at least offer something to support a discussion.

[Mr JiggyFly]

The latest twist in the pipeline saga comes from ATI's camp and claims that ATI are about to announce a product carrying a 16x pipeline architecture. It is not clear if this refers to ATI's Radeon X800 (R420) chip or to some revised version. It would however be extremely unlikely that ATI had the time or resources necessary to have reacted to nVidia's 16x announcement so soon.

[Maverick123w]

Wrong guess dude :)
X420 XT is a monster of 16 pipes clocked over 550Mhz...
It's going to happen this in NVIDIA office :afraid:

some unofficial leaks...
X420XT is doing 15000+ in 3DMark03
X420Pro has the same performance as 6800Ultra
and X420SE falls between Radeon 9800XT and 6800 nu

As fas as IQ goes...the current image quality of Radeon 9800XT and 6800U is going to be a joke...

Mark my words...
I knew spec of NV40 and r420 for a long long time now, almost over 6 months...
I used to have different nick name, but laughed at me when I was saying that we are going to see 16 pipes cards, also i'm saying that r500 nv50 are going to have 512 mem bus with more than 24 pipes, + L1 and L2 cashe memory...

Yah you knew it all on your other name. Keep it up tell us the exact specs of the r420 and then maybe I'll believe you. Until then....

Anyways I think people are way overestimating the performanc eof the r420. Don't get me wrong its not goin to be an underachiever, but it will not stmop the 6800 into the ground. You sir can mark my words on that :angel2: I really doubt that Nvidia would under-estimate ATI this go. If the performance is close I'll go with Nvidia. I enjoy opengl and I'd like to play it at its best as long as I know I have more than acceptable ps 2.0 performance.

[Slappi]

by making a post stating a yet unknown product is clearly superior to a product we now know about.. on a board which is "friendly" to that product. a post like this on rage3d wouldn't raise an eyebrow; it's an ati fanboi's board anyway.

this is akin to going to another "gang's" home turf and dis'n 'em - with nothing to back it up.



Sheesh man I am a diehard NV fan and I can't wait to put one of their cards back in my comp I am just giving my best guesses.

I even collect NV cards. I have a Diamond riva128, STB TNT, Leadtek TNT2 Ultra, Creative labs GF1, CL GF1 DDR, Creative Labs GF2 64mb DDR, Leadtek GF3 Ti200, Leadtek GF4 Ti4400, Leadtek GFFX 5900 ultra.

All bought for my systems at the time.