This is for all of you that are still angry.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

http://www.stillangry.org/

[raystone57]

The page finally loaded. Kind of reminds me of Michael Savage the radio talk show host. He's angry about it too. And he says there's not enough anger in America about 9/11. He says his concern is not so much about whether America goes to war with Iraq but that people in this country general don't show a sense of anger - about 9/11. Not like I'm a big fan of his. I listen to him and some right leaning radio hosts for their jokes and their voice imitations of politicians and people in the news. Us Democrats are sorely missing some humorous leaders in the media and in Washington.

So anyway, back to Savage, he says he's sick and tired of America acting like a "battered housewife", cowering like "oh I feel so sad that you did that to me, oh please don't do that to me again Osama, please leave me alone!", and then "bending over all the way holding her angles and waiting for the next bashing". Or tens of thousands of dead Americans he adds. I'm not saying I agree with him, but his hyper delivery is entertaining.

raystone

[LORD-eX-Bu]

No, its a website, its a pretty right wing-radical website but its a good place I guess to read what some angy crazy people still think about 9/11.

[raystone57]

Yeah, I edited my post saying the site loaded and what I thought of it. Spent so much time writing it I missed your reply.

raystone

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Yup.

[netviper13]

Bwahahahaha! "Democracy should be encouraged, if not outright thrust upon, the oppressed peoples of the Mid-East. Let the invasion begin" Hmm if that's not a total contradiction I don't know what is!

Those people are full of crap, and so is anyone who agrees with their extremist views. Only in the minds of Capitalists are every other non-democratic people 'opressed'. In fact, capitalism has done much more opressing (*cough* Vietnam *cough*) than any other economic or political system.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by netviper13
Bwahahahaha! "Democracy should be encouraged, if not outright thrust upon, the oppressed peoples of the Mid-East. Let the invasion begin" Hmm if that's not a total contradiction I don't know what is!

Those people are full of crap, and so is anyone who agrees with their extremist views. Only in the minds of Capitalists are every other non-democratic people 'opressed'. In fact, capitalism has done much more opressing (*cough* Vietnam *cough*) than any other economic or political system.

Haha. Thats how regimes gets started and thats now Hitlers come to power. I do agree somewhat to your post. But, what about the women in the mid-east? I think they are oppressed very much. From Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia(oh yeah, there are two American women in that country too that aren't allowed to leave that have been brainwashed with Islamic fundamentalist ideals), but yeah, these people are crazy. Nobody was oppressed in Vietnam, it was a conflict, I don't think anyone was really oppressed. Maybe slaughtered, but not oppressed.

[stillangry]

I noticed some heavy traffic coming from this site. After I threw up reading some of the responses, I felt compelled to actually comment on them.

That can be viewed here:

http://www.stillangry.org/2002_10_06_trossman_archive.html#82826218

Gave special attention to netviper13's comments.

-stillangry

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by stillangry
I noticed some heavy traffic coming from this site. After I threw up reading some of the responses, I felt compelled to actually comment on them.

That can be viewed here:

http://www.stillangry.org/2002_10_06_trossman_archive.html#82826218

Gave special attention to netviper13's comments.

-stillangry

Uh-oh, What have I started...:eek:

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by stillangry
I noticed some heavy traffic coming from this site. After I threw up reading some of the responses, I felt compelled to actually comment on them.

That can be viewed here:

http://www.stillangry.org/2002_10_06_trossman_archive.html#82826218

Gave special attention to netviper13's comments.

-stillangry

Do you really have to cuss so much in your articles? I mean, it really hurts the message you are trying to get across.

[stillangry]

Please accept my apologies for the cursing.

Wow- you are fast with those replies.

-- http://www.stillangry.org

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Usually am, look at how many posts I have, but thats nothing, you should see the top 10 posters list. Welcome to NVNEWS.

[The Baron]

This site promotes vicious reprisals and full scale preemption against terrorists and the fascist despots who aid them with money, arms, and cultures of hate and death.

Wait just a damn second.

"Full scale preemption?" Yeah, the hijackers were Saudi, but not all Saudis are terrorists. Yes, Saddam is an Iraqi and is bad, but not all Iraqis are bad. Blanket statements such as this only create, oh, I dunno, a "culture of hate and death"?

I agree that democracy and regulated capitalism (NOT pure capitalism) is the only way to ensure some degree of fairness in people's lives. But, to have the US just thrust it upon them, no way in hell.

Talk all you want about cultures of hate and death, we're still one of the ONLY (yes, ONLY) countries on Earth that practice the death penalty (and the only western country, too). We're almost universally hated for our practice since WW2 of sticking our face in things that probably aren't our concern (Marshall Plan? Good. CIA operations to attack communism? Bad.). Why do you think we're so hated?

We're hypocrites.

We talk about morality, then we show soft-core porn on TV and kill mentally retarded convicts. We talk about fairness in other governments, then fill our own with puppets of huge corporations.

Get real.

We are NOT pure, we are NOT innocent.

Marx said all people would eventually become Communist. Maybe Communist sometime in the future, but the tendency now (even without US help) is a conversion to democracy.

And before you say, "That's not true, give me one example of that in practice"--Slobodan Milosevic.

[stillangry]

well ive eeked out another couple weeks worth of pent of rage into the guise of sub par prose.

its time for bed. i have an unfulfilling desk job waiting for me in the morning.

http://www.stillangry.org

spread the word

[LORD-eX-Bu]

You can say the same thing about abortion. Dems and lefties fight against the death penalty, yet they have no problem with killing unborn babies. Ever seen a 10 week abortion? the baby comes out in peices, its not pretty. How would you like to be that baby and have your life taken away from you before you could even experience it. Whats your point? I agree that we have to watch ourselves in the way we deal with our problems and not generalize people because of their corrupt leadership or terror networks. But you have to understand, some of these cultures do promote hatred against US and indoctrinate and brainwash people into converting into their ideals. I beleive that these are the people that stillangry is reffering to, and if I am wrong, then I am with you Baron.

[The Baron]

For the record, I'm against the death penalty and abortion except in extreme circumstances (rape--that's an emotional trauma no one should have to deal with if they can't handle it).

There are some places whose rulers cannot be forced out of power by the populace of that nation and must be removed with the forces of another nation. Nazi Germany, Cambodia under Pol Pot, Iraq under Saddam. In such circumstances, it is absolutely right to remove such leaders from power if they are a threat instead of a boon to the people they govern.

The rest of the time--the populace itself will change the regime. You don't need to intervene.

Look at Russia in 1917. Russia in 1991. Yugoslavia/Serbia very recently.

Regimes fall. Regimes CAN fall without outside intervention. Let nature take its course.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by =SSC=The Baron
For the record, I'm against the death penalty and abortion except in extreme circumstances (rape--that's an emotional trauma no one should have to deal with if they can't handle it).

There are some places whose rulers cannot be forced out of power by the populace of that nation and must be removed with the forces of another nation. Nazi Germany, Cambodia under Pol Pot, Iraq under Saddam. In such circumstances, it is absolutely right to remove such leaders from power if they are a threat instead of a boon to the people they govern.

The rest of the time--the populace itself will change the regime. You don't need to intervene.

Look at Russia in 1917. Russia in 1991. Yugoslavia/Serbia very recently.

Regimes fall. Regimes CAN fall without outside intervention. Let nature take its course.

Thats great to find someone who is against abortion like that, under instances of rape or incest, or if the life of the mother is in danger due to the birth, then that is the only time that I would loosen up about the whole abortion thing, other than that, its a no go in my book. Anyways, I agree with what you posted about the regime, but I did not like the example of Russia in 1917, because of that regime that was started(maybe not forseen that it would happen) over 50,000,000 people died under that oppression. It wasn't until the collapse of the soviet union that those people experienced some freedom, but even now, Russia and those former soviet states are very much in disarray and are very dangerous. That regime fell due to the fact that it failed, can be attributed to the people and international failure and pressure, but the 1917 example isn't really good.

[The Baron]

The 1917 example IS good because it showed the people CREATED a radical paradigm shift in their government. Doesn't matter if we considered it good or bad (and the original intentions were horribly corrupted by the scourge to humanity Stalin), it HAPPENED. And nowadays, considering the role money plays and trade with other nations, democracy is pretty much the only way anybody's gonna go.

--edit--Also, look at the other Soviet states. East Germany, Poland, etc. al. Hell, in Romania, Nicolae Ceausescu, the Soviet-appointed dictator was taken up to the roof of his palace/mansion and shot on live national television. The common man can do the work of any 2000 lbs smart bomb.--/edit--

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Yeah, but I was refferring to the population overthrowing the regime to head to a new form of government that would lead to a better future. I have no doubt that the Bolsheviks beleived that what they were doing would help Russia, but then it soured and baddies(lol, DOOM) got into power and murdered tens if not a hundred million.

[The Baron]

If Russia was run well, it would have been at least as good as the US. But it wasn't--a Hitlerian dictator with nukes entered power, and then there's nothing you can do. FDR could have done the same thing, but lucky for the rest of us, he didn't. If Lincoln was a megalomaniac, we'd be living under permanent martial law. But we're not. So it all depends on the leaders, which is where democracy comes in handy. I think we've reached a point where just about every nation on Earth has had a really horrible experience with a dictator and will not put another into power easily at all, meaning democracy comes naturally.

[stillangry]

ok let me make a clarification i didnt think id need to make.

will all my ranting about the oppressed people of the world and about horrible tyranical govenments, i did not think i left the impression that civilians would be the target of a full scale invasion.

just their governments. and last night we became one step closer to liberating a long disenfranchised people. the iraqis. now we all have a stake in it: our elected representatives have voted to grant bush power. if you dont like how it turns out, then go back in time a few years for not voting in local and state elections and smack yourself.

and this time around, there wont be any lackluster and neutral yellow ribbon around the tree. instead, you will find stars and stripes.

http://www.stillangry.org

[vampireuk]

Ok. No wait, not OK... He is absolutely wrong

wow you have won my respect already, what a intelligent way to start a debate:rolleyes:

I dare this man from Kansas to explain to me another system of government that can provide the security, rights

Its funny how you fail to see your rights been taken away by greedy senators and the entertainment industry. Go on keep on preaching

If you subject a people to anything less that the rights and opportunities that are an inherent part of democracy, they are not happy, and resort to blowing up planes, instead of designing them

oh good god, there are reasons why they did that you know, in no way what they did was right. But they did not attack because they want the "freedom" you preach

There is no other system in the universe that protects freedom as democracy does

I see, been anywhere outside earth lately? Actually been anywhere outside the US lately?:p

you leftist pinko

Your argument means nothing, you cant write without having to insult someone, another way to carry on a debate well:rolleyes:

Why don't you look up the facts, if you haven't already burned the books containing them, on the Soviet Union.

I really do hope you dont think that was communism, otherwise ill have to slap you round the face with a history book.

Shame on you for not wanting to better the lives of the millions who suffer across the world under brutal oppression of Islamofascist tyrants

and shame on you for trying to impose your self righteous and close minded views

[stillangry]

hey vampire. if i wanted to start a debate i would have posted directly on here, where a dialogue is supposed to be. instead i posted it on my site. it is a weblog. not some utopian european forum which accomplishes nothing.

if you are implying that i deny the holocaust, then i am going to have to just stop listening to you altogether. im not sure if what you said was an accusation, or if it was just the signature on your post, but i have many family members on one side who died in the concentration camps (long before i was born mind you) because we are jews.

having reasons to kill thousands with planes into skyscrapers are worthless. a reason is not an excuse to murder the innocent. have you ever smelled the wreckage - the millions of tons of burning plastic, concrete, steel, and human beings makes a horrific stench after several weeks. so what were there reasons again? please tell me why it is ok for them to kill my neighbors and associates?

you tried to pick apart my argument but you failed because you offered no evidence to the contrary of what i said. instead you employed self righteous rhetoric. wanna try again?

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by stillangry

if you are implying that i deny the holocaust, then i am going to have to just stop listening to you altogether. im not sure if what you said was an accusation, or if it was just the signature on your post, but i have many family members on one side who died in the concentration camps (long before i was born mind you) because we are jews.


it was a sig, note the line above it

hey vampire. if i wanted to start a debate i would have posted directly on here, where a dialogue is supposed to be. instead i posted it on my site. it is a weblog. not some utopian european forum which accomplishes nothing.

You made it accesible to the public therefore we can comment on it

having reasons to kill thousands with planes into skyscrapers are worthless. a reason is not an excuse to murder the innocent. have you ever smelled the wreckage - the millions of tons of burning plastic, concrete, steel, and human beings makes a horrific stench after several weeks. so what were there reasons again?

Why dont you stop trying to make it sound like I agreed with their actions, I quite clearly said I did not. The reasons include the American foreign policy where they get involved in conflicts, give one side weapons and training and then when its all over they just leave. Do you actually think this is not going to annoy people? They had a point to be made but went about it in the worst possible way.

please tell me why it is ok for them to kill my neighbors and associates?

I never said this, stop twisting my words to make me sound like the bad guy

you tried to pick apart my argument but you failed because you offered no evidence to the contrary of what i said

Wrong again, I quoted sections and replied with my own views on them, I was offering opinion for opinion

wanna try again?

not really since I dont like having my words twisted around and not having people actually read what I say. When you are ready to accept another view point come back

instead you employed self righteous rhetoric

oh really? where?:rolleyes:

[netviper13]

Hehe, I actually was mentioned on a website, wow I feel proud. :D I would respond to his post on the site, but it's not worth my time. I'll never convince him to drop the fascist, err, democratic viewpoints he perpetuates, so it's not worth it. Meanwhile, I'll get some damn good entertainment reading the stuff he posts.