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Nv40
04-15-04, 06:01 PM
yes... i know is the Beta.. :D

but is still the same version used by valve back in SEp30 last year ,to demostrate Halflife2 performance.. :) the Geforce 6800 is more that 2x times and up to 5x times faster than the NV35.. for comparison.. the radeon9800xt is 2x times faster in many of the test than the NV38. so its nice that the NV40 will be able to run Halflife2 with all the eye candy on ,at Full FP32 precision. still curious if ATI will support FP32 precision in their pixel shaders..in their next gen R4xx hardware, many rumors says that it will.

a side note..notice how CPU limited is the game at 1024x768.. benchmarks should be always run all the way to 1600x1200 (and even more if possible) to really see the potential of each card.

if this in an indication of what we will see in the final game.. then things are looking good for Nvdia in Hl2.. :)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/nv40_29.html


it will be nice to see painkiller and stalker benchies :)

Nutty
04-15-04, 06:04 PM
In SF demo, the complete lack of signficant change in FPS over res change shows its completely CPU limited, meaning the gpu has even more potential than shown there.

I'd still say partially cpu limited in the 2nd set.

Edge
04-15-04, 06:55 PM
The thing I find funny about the 6800 and HL2 is that new ATI cards have the "prefered graphics card for Half-life 2" sticker on them, but pretty soon it will be the Nvidia cards which are better for that game :D

And yes, I'm very much looking forward to playing HL2 at 1600x1200 with AA at 60+ FPS, and with the 6800 and presumably future ATI cards, that will be a reality (most of the time). Hell, even in those benchmarks the 6800 is barely even able to spread it's wings, I'm begining to think the only way to put any pressure on the card is to set AA/Aniso to maximum and run it at the highest resolution you can. I'm REALLY interested to see how it would run with 4xAA/lvl8 Aniso at 1920x1080 (HDTV) resolution...

Riptide
04-15-04, 07:11 PM
The ATI cards might've been preferred if the game had come out on time. ;)

Snarfy
04-15-04, 07:28 PM
Cmon guys, dont shoot your loads yet! wait and see what ati has! they might pull a 9700 on us...

Seoulstriker
04-15-04, 08:34 PM
nVidia has 128 shader ops/clock.

do you know what the ATi card offers?

:lol2:

hell_of_doom
04-15-04, 08:42 PM
nVidia has 128 shader ops/clock.

do you know what the ATi card offers?

:lol2:

I know dude...
16 pipes clocked around 600Mhz :lol2:

It's going to kill 6800Ultra, and i'm going to laugh

ChrisW
04-15-04, 09:32 PM
Why is it such a good thing that the new 6800 will run games with all the details on? I thought it was stupid to worry about such things as lower settings with hacked graphics were good enough? What ever happened to "I don't have the time to pay attention to the details while playing games"?

Ninja Prime
04-15-04, 09:58 PM
Why is it such a good thing that the new 6800 will run games with all the details on? I thought it was stupid to worry about such things as lower settings with hacked graphics were good enough? What ever happened to "I don't have the time to pay attention to the details while playing games"?

Indeed. :lol:

Skynet
04-15-04, 11:53 PM
What ever happened to "I don't have the time to pay attention to the details while playing games"?Easy, nVidia doesn't suck anymore. We all knew that was fanboi talk.

The 9800 does not do that bad in those tests actually, but the power of the NV40 is just awesome.

matthewryanc
04-16-04, 01:10 AM
*note how benchmarks are run under pure speed path*. I am not familiar with the speed test, as valve lied when the claimed they were going to release it to the public. It sounds, however, like pure speed would run with the least video quality option, and a lesser shader model. Still, using the other extreme (pure quality?), the 6800 should kick even more ass. Be neat to see how final game runs on both cards.

ninelven
04-16-04, 01:13 AM
Pure speed in this case just means no AA or AF.

matthewryanc
04-16-04, 01:16 AM
Pure speed in this case just means no AA or AF.
Cool. Thanks for the clear-up.

volkskrant
04-16-04, 01:28 AM
Why is it such a good thing that the new 6800 will run games with all the details on? I thought it was stupid to worry about such things as lower settings with hacked graphics were good enough? What ever happened to "I don't have the time to pay attention to the details while playing games"?
owned:

SuLinUX
04-16-04, 02:12 AM
Now that is serious ownage, after valve f***** nvidia up the arse about there FX line and it turns out there game is not even out. The is serious for ATI and I think this has been down played as the valve/ATI thing has been blown apart by nvidia.

Nutty
04-16-04, 07:04 AM
16 pipes clocked around 600Mhz

It's going to kill 6800Ultra, and i'm going to laugh
If its going to be 600Mhz, why was Richard Huddy reassuring devs that 500Mhz is a very fast gpu, if they were going to release at 600?

I very much doubt it will be above 500.

DMA
04-16-04, 07:42 AM
I know dude...
16 pipes clocked around 600Mhz :lol2:

It's going to kill 6800Ultra, and i'm going to laugh

Werent you banned a few days ago "freak77power"? (crazy)
Guess you had some more trolling in you to let out huh? :o

Btw, i think you're the only one to be banned from Rage3D and nvnews. Good job. :ORDER:

Superfly
04-16-04, 07:57 AM
R420 (the one that ATi are releasing on the 26th of April) is a 12 pipeline design with a 500Mhz clock - see following table:

Since there's already information about NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (we'll have a preview tomorrow), it would be right to mention competing products.


RADEON X800SE X800Pro X800XT X880XT
Core R420 R420 R420 R423
GPU process 130nm, Low-K
Transistors 160-180 million
Core clock 450MHz 500MHz 600MHz
Memory type DDR DDR3
Memory size 128MB 256-512MB
Memory bus 128-bit 256-bit
Memory clock 800MHz 1000MHz 1200MHz
Pipelines 8 12 16
Interface AGP 8x PCI-E x16
Price $299 $399 $499 $499
Release date mid-June April 26 May 31 June 14

Link: http://www.guru3d.com/news.php?cat=8&perpage=15#1345

So It would seem that R420 is a 12 pipeline design with a 500Mhz core and the release date for the XT version has been pulled forward to compete with NV40 - if this is all true then that means ATI will have to wait until the end of May/June to compete with NVIDIA and would have also used up both there products for this years chip!!

NVIDIA will then release NV45 around september/october and bury the radeon once and for all. :ORDER:

ttfn.

Dont forget the Shader model 3.0 and of course NVIDIA's drivers are in a different league to ATI's which have issues in every damm game I play :-(

I cant wait to bin my 9800 Pro for something decent - I have missed NVIDIA's drivers soooooo much in the last year, there stability and compatability is second to none - always has been.

jbirney
04-16-04, 08:02 AM
So we now take stock in leaked alpha benchmarks?

Granted the NV40 is a great card and will do very well. But ATI cards have always been faster in PS ops (back to the 8500 vrs GF3/4 days). Its a bit premature to claim one will own the other....

SuLinUX
04-16-04, 08:20 AM
Look at it this way, the FX had weak shader performance and is the main reason way it lagged behind the R350, that now is not a issue with the NV40. When nvidia get it right they get it right and I dont see R420 beating it.

The idea that ATI have been faster in PS ops is made null because of the NV40, and there seems to be no weakness what so ever in it's architecture.

jbirney
04-16-04, 08:28 AM
Look at it this way, the FX had weak shader performance and is the main reason way it lagged behind the R350, that now is not a issue with the NV40. When nvidia get it right they get it right and I dont see R420 beating it.

The idea that ATI have been faster in PS ops is made null because of the NV40, and there seems to be no weakness what so ever in it's architecture.

If you look at the past 2 generations ATI has alway had more efficent PS engines. While the NV40 does not have any issues with PS, whos to say that the R420 wont be better at it? You/I have no idea what changes ATI has made to increas their PS efficency on the R420. Do you think they did nothing the last 18 months? The 12 pipe version will be just touch behind it in raw specs while the 16 pipe version will be way ahead if it in specs. My point is people are already claiming on to be faster when the other card has not even been benched. Dont you think thats a little premature?

My predicition. The R420 will be faster at PS2.0 shading ops. Then the agurement here will turn to "Well who cares about PS2.0 speed as all I want is PS3.0"

SuLinUX
04-16-04, 08:38 AM
If you look at the past 2 generations ATI has alway had more efficent PS engines. While the NV40 does not have any issues with PS, whos to say that the R420 wont be better at it? You/I have no idea what changes ATI has made to increas their PS efficency on the R420. Do you think they did nothing the last 18 months? The 12 pipe version will be just touch behind it in raw specs while the 16 pipe version will be way ahead if it in specs. My point is people are already claiming on to be faster when the other card has not even been benched. Dont you think thats a little premature?

My predicition. The R420 will be faster at PS2.0 shading ops. Then the agurement here will turn to "Well who cares about PS2.0 speed as all I want is PS3.0"

It would be a awesome if the R420 was to beat the NV40, you cannot say that based on ATI's previous architecture that it's going to be even more efficent then NV40. NOBODY expected the NV40 to be so fast and I would say even ATI didnot ether, so that says to me that the R420 may not been so fast and it would need to be 2-3times as fast as 9800XT to even get a look in.

volkskrant
04-16-04, 08:47 AM
So It would seem that R420 is a 12 pipeline design with a 500Mhz core and the release date for the XT version has been pulled forward to compete with NV40 - if this is all true then that means ATI will have to wait until the end of May/June to compete with NVIDIA and would have also used up both there products for this years chip!!

NVIDIA will then release NV45 around september/october and bury the radeon once and for all. :ORDER:

Not sure you assumption is right. There have been some rumors floating around which indicate that Ati will release the R500 this year. So a NV45 against a R500 round is possible depending on the how valid the R500 rumor is.

Supporting arguments for this assumption can be found on rage3d where it is stated by people who are under NDA from Ati that Ati has been planning the X800XT release shortly after the X800Pro all along.

I am to lazy to search the links. Might add them later.

volkskrant
04-16-04, 08:51 AM
It would be a awesome if the R420 was to beat the NV40, you cannot say that based on ATI's previous architecture that it's going to be even more efficent then NV40. NOBODY expected the NV40 to be so fast and I would say even ATI didnot ether, so that says to me that the R420 may not been so fast and it would need to be 2-3times as fast as 9800XT to even get a look in.

We will know within a few weeks. The rumored specs seem to indicate that the X800XT will be faster than the R6800Ultra.

Seoulstriker
04-16-04, 09:11 AM
There have been some rumors floating around which indicate that Ati will release the R500 this year.


that's a pretty wild rumor, dude. the R500 is going to be released in 1.75 years. just like the NV50. duh! :POKE: