Senate and House Pass Iraq resolution!

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Finally! A step in the right direction! Thank you democrats and republicans and independents who voted for this resolution! Its on to the UN!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65395,00.html

Hooah!:D :D :D

[vampireuk]

http://www.emutalk.net/attachment.php?s=&postid=78505

[Mod]

Yeah vamp, one dictator out, other in... nothing changes ...

[jnd3]

Awww, come on, we've got a grand history of replacing totalitarians with Western-style democracies...

Germany and Japan after WWII...
Russia after the Cold War...
Afghanistan after the Taliban...

Granted, the latter two are works in progress. For example, Russia has a flat income tax, making them less socialist than the USA...and Afghanistan moved about 500 years into the future when the Taliban were forced out.

Here's a bit of (somewhat unrelated) trivial irony: the USA has fought a war against every nation in the G8...except France. Every nation in the G8 (for the most part) likes us...except France. So the obvious solution is to invade and conquer France, and to replace their government with a more pro-Western one... :D

Cheers,
JND

[Mod]

Originally posted by jnd3
Awww, come on, we've got a grand history of replacing totalitarians with Western-style democracies...

Germany and Japan after WWII...
Russia after the Cold War...
Afghanistan after the Taliban...


Not really, for example, US governament ( through CIA specifically) financed totalitary governaments in south america, and directly provided weapons to Pinochet , that horrible dictator of Chile...

[The Baron]

I think we finally figured out that you can't just nearly level a country and then walk out expecting everything to be hunky-dory. We've done that a lot, too, and it never worked (cough world war one cough).

As for funding Pinochet, that was a Cold War-era policy that any dictator that did not have any allegiance to the Soviets, no matter how bad he was, was better than a pro-Soviet dictator. So we funded Pinochet. Stupid mistake, but yes, it won't happen again. No more Soviets. heh.

[Mod]

Well guys. I think Bush is spreading fear. The biggest market of Iraq is US. So, how come he would attack US with mass destruction weapons ? It would be like killing his best custumer.

[sbp]

In other news today Saddam Hussein crapped his pants. *phew*

[Mod]

Originally posted by sbp
In other news today Saddam Hussein crapped his pants. *phew*

I don't know if you are answering to my post. But what I meant is that saddam never had the intention of attacking US. If he had any major mass destruction research, it was meant to attack his neighbors. US was always his best custumer, it wouldn't work attacking it. Maybe kwait, iran, saudi arabia because they were Iraq's strongest competitors...

[The Baron]

Iraq would NEVER attack the Arab world. Then he's labeled a US puppet, blah blah blah, tool of Israel, and then he gets killed.

So, he would attack the US, because then he gains the support of the people in his region. And with oil comes control of the US...

[Mod]

Originally posted by =SSC=The Baron
Iraq would NEVER attack the Arab world
He attacked Iran and Kwait, this last one was for territorial take over.

If he attacked US, his entire region would be against him. It may not be the usual people, who were already victims of the US=Satanic propaganda, but the big guys, who owns the oil and sell it for US.

The anti-US happens there in order to peoople don't pay attention to their problems, which are lack of freadom, poor jobs, poor education, etc. They say "look, US uses your oil, they make work like donkeys, and you earn nothing, they invade our sacred areas, and destroy or simbles, so US are satan". If people don't question this, they will be suporting the people who really exploits them by using their cheap work force, the oil owners .

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Which people aren't against Saddam? I mean, the Saudi "Royal" family loves him, so do the leaders in Kuwait now and since he funds those Palestinian bombers alot of them love him too. Even Iran is getting in bed with him and don't forget about Jordan that still supports Hussein in his regime and the only reason Quatar is with us is because if it wasn't for our presence there they wouldn't be anything and would get taken over by another Arab country. Yemen is with us because they are afraid of retaliation for the attack on the USS COLE. Turkey is against Hussein for the most part, but Egypt still loves him. Hussein could attack, and most of these countries wouldn't care, or at least their leaders and a sizable percentage of their population wouldn't either. They would praise the action, just like they did on 9/11 when they learned of the attacks.

[Mod]

Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU
Which people aren't against Saddam? I mean, the Saudi "Royal" family loves him, so do the leaders in Kuwait now and since he funds those

Good, now you have even one more reason to suport they would never attack US. He's good relations are too good with their neighbors to not attack US. Everybody will lose in this case, because everybody likes saddam for his oil (sold to US) . Without US, no profits, whitout profits, no saddam

[The Baron]

Saddam doesn't sell his oil to ANYONE for money. He trades it for food. So, he really can't see a problem with attacking the US.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by =SSC=The Baron
Saddam doesn't sell his oil to ANYONE for money. He trades it for food. So, he really can't see a problem with attacking the US.

LMAO! Gosh, do you even beleive what you said? He sits on those barrels of oil and starves his people! Sure the resolutions hurt Iraq, but they would not be suffering as much if Hussein wouldn't be holding back all the oil and diverting money away from helping the population and putting it into developing weapons and military. He has no problem with attacking the US, he doesn't care about anyone but himself, he is a murderous idiot and is paranoid. He couldn't care less if civilians get killed in the war, that is why he uses them as human shields, the only actual problem he has with attacking the US is if he, somehow in his crazy mind, loses the war and isn't in power anymore. Thats all he cares about, remaining in power and destroying the United States and its allies.

[The Baron]

If Saddam could sell his oil for large amounts of money, he'd have LOTS of nukes. So, he obviously doesn't have the kind of cash that he could (why do you think Iraq has all of 5 planes in its air force... hah).

[LORD-eX-Bu]

LOL. Yes, but he also restricts the food that was being brought in from the "Oil for food" program. He stockpiles it for himself and some important figures and very little of it actually reaches its inteded destination. He would have more planes to sell if his air force wouldn't have fled into Iran, haha.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

But, he doesn't need to buy nukes, just the fissile material, and that can be smuggled and he can afford that through the oil that he has been smuggling illegally to other countries. They have been trying to develop a nuke since the 80's, they were very close to having one at the start of the Gulf War but thanks to the Coalition's destruction of those plants and such, it set back his program considerably, through the past years however, he has had the opportunity to further the research and development of the nukes that he wants. He is smart, he won't leave any evidence out for weapon inspectors to find. He has adapted to the current situation and has mobile labs and underground facilities in which this technology can be furthured. Saddam is crazy, but he is not stupid.

[PsychoSy]

Here's my take

- Resolution passes.

- Ball is in the UN court.

- UN either drops the ball or double dribbles.

- Bush sends out forces towards Kuwait. SEALs
perform recon of Iraqi borders and report back.

- Bush sends out "one last chance" warning.

- Saddam doesn't flinch.

- US troops march, eyes on Bahgdad. If no cease
fire happens and our forces reach Bahgdad, the fighting
is block-to-block, street-to-street. Lots of casualities but
more on Iraqi side.

- Saddam either becomes a casuality or flees.

- The war is over in 1 week, possible 2 weeks.

- US sets up temporary Military government in Bagdad solely
for US interest. US controlls Iraqi oil fields. Many US allies
turn back into US enemies (Saudi Arabia, Turkey, & Russia).

- Bush Administration halts all research and development into
renewable alternative energy solutions claiming that with Iraqi
oil fields in their controll, there's no reason nor incentive.

- Cold War II starts all over again.

- Bush and Cheney fail to reach re-election but it matters nothing
to them as their goal of using war and oil controll will profit them
in more ways than the $100,000 a year salary as President and
VP.

- The damage caused by Bush/Cheney is irreparable.
World War III is imminent.

- One evening, sometime in the next 8-12 years, Dan Rather
begins the CBS Evening News by saying, "My dear Americans,
it is with heavy heart that I report this sad news. Dewline has
just detected some ICBMs headed this way. Please...put your
head between your legs and...kiss your ass goodbye."

[LORD-eX-Bu]

You're predictions stopped being accurate when you said "Saddam doesn't Flinch". Thats the last thing that you got right. From then on, with the house to house fighting, I disagree. Sure it will happen, but you don't give our forces enough credit, remember Mogadishu? same type of fighting, 18 US casualties, as many as 10,000 Somolians dead. But thats okay, nobody knows how that will happen. But when you said about US taking over Iraqi oil fields, man, that isn't even close to what could happen. I mean, nobody is gonna let that happen, not Russia, not Europe not the American people. But I guess it is very imaginative, you have a good imagination.And to top it all off, you are a really cool guy.While our views may vary somewhat, you are always a great person to hold any discussion or debate with.;)

[StealthHawk]

and now the important question: did Saddam create the current Iraq or did Iraq create Saddam :D

[DaveW]

Saddam doesn't flinch.

I think he will, I remember just before the gulf war, Saddam saying "the Americans will drown in rivers of their own blood" blah blah blah... after a few days of getting their asses kicked, Saddam is like "please don't hurt me".

[Mod]

Originally posted by |TX|-LORD-EX-BU
He has no problem with attacking the US, he doesn't care about anyone but himself,

Thats all he cares about, remaining in power and destroying the United States and its allies.

1-Supose he destroys US and allies what else would happen ?
2- How could he remain in power ?
3- Don't you think all princes from saudi arabia would be happy of losing his billions of dollars market fom the sake of being happy ?
4-Don't you think they ( arabia princes, Iran, etc. ) would get saddam out of his power themselves before he destroys all his costumers ?
5-Don't you think the food he gets is a way of washing money ?

I see everything like a human cold war. That is, instead of firing nukes, the first to attack, will atract the fury of middle east. And Saddan knows that better. The best policy is ramain armed, like , US suposes Saddam is doing (I don't think he has enough resources to do it ), but do nothing, just threaten. But Saddam knows he is weaker than than US . Besides US indirectly pays his wage.